Theme camp registration, charge tax or not?

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Theme camp registration, charge tax or not?

Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:13 am

We're using paypal for our camp registration fees. How do you avoid paying tax fees upon camper registration? Would you let the campers know there will be tax fees charged to them? Or are most other theme camps nonprofits? Thanks!

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:16 am

You have got to be fucking kidding.

Please tell me you're joking.

Please.
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Post by goathead » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:22 am

shaking head.....

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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:24 am

If you have advice, I'm open to hearing it. If you're going to be sarcastic, please keep your comments to yourself.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:27 am

I for one think it's a brilliant idea.

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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:30 am

I added more info to the original post, if it helps people understand the question more.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:49 am

Still not very clear. Are you referring to Paypal fees or sales taxes? People that use Paypal are aware of their fees. If you aren't paying sales tax, just don't charge any tax amount. You're collecting camp fees, its not like you're selling something that might require charging sales tax.
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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:09 pm

Paypal fees. It adds a significant amount to the camp fees to have the paypal fees be added on top of it. So how do other camps avoid making campers pay extra if they're using paypal? Or do other theme camps have a different way of collecting camp registration fees that don't create an extra charge?

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Post by goathead » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:16 pm

huggima

can see your a little confused here. all the camps are independent of each other. Your ticket just gets you in the gate, noting else. So depending on the camp your looking at depends on how things are done. For example with us we are asking for a 5 gallon keg of home brew. For others they might ask you to kick in money for alcohol. And the list goes on and on.

Contact the camp you are thinking about.

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Post by Dr. Pyro » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:19 pm

Serious response. We just have everybody send us personal checks. For those coming in from overseas, cash on the playa is fine. No early arrival passes for anyone delequent on their dues. Only had one guy screw us in the past (his moniker on the ePlaya is Wildfire and he's from Florida). I hope this helps.

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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:38 pm

Thanks Dr. Pyro, that was an answer along the lines I was looking for. This question was not about purchasing Burning Man tickets, but trying to find the best method of paying for camp fees if it's for a larger theme camp. Paypal is one method, but then how do you avoid the paypal fees? Does any other theme camp use paypal, and if so, how do they deal with the extra charge?

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Post by goathead » Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:58 pm

figure out the best method for you and do it.

it just a fucking picnic in the desert.

:shock:

sweet mother of fucking christ.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:07 pm

huggima wrote:If you have advice, I'm open to hearing it. If you're going to be sarcastic, please keep your comments to yourself.

here's some advice...


suck it.
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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:19 pm

Dayam, there really are some immature people on here.

If I had figured it out, I wouldn't need to be in this forum talking to you rude folks. "Suck it" says Simon of the Playa. What are you guys, both 12 years old? Guess Burning Man isn't about being nice and helpful for either of you.

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Post by Roberto Dobbisano » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:20 pm

you idiot, this is the NEW and IMPROVED KINDER GENTLER EPLAYA





"suck it, PLEASE"



thats so much better.
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Post by AntiM » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:22 pm

Please don't think Burning Man is the same as an internet forum. You're experiencing freedom of speech, and you have every right to ignore whichever user you desire. Scroll over the smiley faces under their avatar and click on the ignore one. Then you won't have to see their responses.

Eplaya or not, it is still the internet. As moderator, I do request helpful answers before snark, but it isn't all that enforceable.

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how Gauche!

Post by H.G.Crosby » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:23 pm

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:26 pm

i am so sorry for offending your sensibilities, Burning man for me is the Chance to explore my tourettes syndrome freely, without fear of stigmatization.


fuck your day!



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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:33 pm

Thanks Anti M for the tip on how to ignore others. I certainly will be doing just that. I have moderated forums on the past, and if people were flaming, I gave them warnings, and if they continued, I disabled their account. Freedom of speech is one thing, being just plain stupid is another.

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Post by Ugly Dougly » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:45 pm

huggima wrote:Freedom of speech is one thing, being just plain stupid is another.
Thank you for noticing!

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Post by AntiM » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:47 pm

huggima wrote:Thanks Anti M for the tip on how to ignore others. I certainly will be doing just that. I have moderated forums on the past, and if people were flaming, I gave them warnings, and if they continued, I disabled their account. Freedom of speech is one thing, being just plain stupid is another.
I don't get to disable accounts, and we do have a lot of leeway here.

Getting tossed takes a lot of work here.

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oh Blather!

Post by Simon of the Playa » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:50 pm

i think someone just needs their chakra re-aligned.



it ain't me neither, i never touch the stuff...



fucking stupid hippies, they cant take a joke....
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Post by zorro sings » Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:50 pm

Your campers,if they are sending money to you,pay no Paypal fees.YOU are the one who will have the "tax"/service charge deducted.There is no way around it.
Be careful. You can spend all your money in there..............................Oriental Visitor

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Post by AntiM » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:08 pm

Use the gift option, if they still have it, no fees.

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Post by Elderberry » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:19 pm

Those fees would be a part of the camp expenses, and should be figured into the dues amount. But frankly, if you figured your expenses and fees to cover them so precisely that the extra few percent in fees makes a difference, your going to end up in the whole either way. There are always unexpected expenses that should be figured into camp fees. IMHO
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Post by Dr Helix » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:28 pm

I am frankly, amazed that there are camps who go to this level of sophistication. Pay Pal? Wow. I just figured people kicked in for expenses via cash, check, booze, etc. Shows what I know.
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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:43 pm

This is more of a major theme camp thing, such as with Conexus, Hookahdome, Red Lightning, Entheon Village. The gift option was what we were thinking of, except that Paypal may freeze our account if 100 people are gifting us without us paying Paypal for fees. Some camps at Burning Man had their account frozen because they were collecting fees without being a nonprofit. And if we were charged a fee for all the 100 people who paid (and our fees are running from as low as $95 to as high as $300) we would be eventually losing money, if we had to pay for fees that others weren't paying. So i wonder if we should charge a service fee to campers, or not.

I appreciate all the suggestions.

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Post by lucky.bastard » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:50 pm

Kickstarter to the rescue: " Fund our Liability insurance and pay-pal fees "

so far the most useful piece of info i have found on eplaya was to put a little bit of vinegar in the water you wash your feet with to counter-act the alkaline of the playa dust..........on the other end of the spectrum is this thread.......unless you were fucking around with the question and then it is funny as shit... much more so then saying you are an unknown DJ who is looking for a stage

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Post by huggima » Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:52 pm

Lucky Bastard, don't worry about it. If it doesn't pertain to you, no need to respond.

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Post by Just_Joe » Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:03 pm

lucky.bastard wrote:Kickstarter to the rescue: " Fund our Liability insurance and pay-pal fees "
Which begs the question- How to pay/recover the 8-10% "cut" that Kickstarter skims off the top of the project???

OP...
Tax? It ain't a tax, its a fee- a camp expense.
Roll it into your budget.

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