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dr.placebo · Post by **dr.placebo** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:32 pm

I don't have a lot of time to hang out and post these days. Deadlines loom, and at my workplace we are looking at a 5% layoff (that's the good news -- it could have been worse). So I'll just drop two quick items in here:

1. Taxes. Mine are likely to increase, and they should. Not because I like to waste money, but because I want to make things better for my country.

2. CA Prop 8. Just vote NO. Although I'm straight, and I've been married for 25 years, I can tell you exactly what the "gay agenda" is. They want to be treated as ordinary people, with all of the rights and responsibilities of ordinary people.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:41 pm

Billionaires everywhere!!! http://humorland.wordmess.net/20081025/ ... s-is-like/

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:04 pm

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DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:06 pm

jkisha wrote:
lurker wrote:I'd say 'food for thought', but it's pretty clear that a lot of you are WAAAAY past thinking--

How do you know Obama even said that? If indeed he did, then when? And if he did, what did it prove? That he has a diverse group of friends around him? Nothing that would give me, or any other worldly thinking person pause. The only people that would give worry to might be insecure uneducated white folk--like maybe skin heads, white supremacists and their ilk--oh and let's not forget those backwoods people that only have their guns and god to cling to.

JK

There is no way Lurker is going to hang out with that many diverse............

wait a minute, has Lurker actually been to Burningman?

Post by **Elderberry** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:38 pm

dr.placebo wrote:I don't have a lot of time to hang out and post these days. Deadlines loom, and at my workplace we are looking at a 5% layoff (that's the good news -- it could have been worse). So I'll just drop two quick items in here:

1. Taxes. Mine are likely to increase, and they should. Not because I like to waste money, but because I want to make things better for my country.

2. CA Prop 8. Just vote NO. Although I'm straight, and I've been married for 25 years, I can tell you exactly what the "gay agenda" is. They want to be treated as ordinary people, with all of the rights and responsibilities of ordinary people.

Well hurry up and get things done! We'll miss your level headed, informed and thoughtful and articulate commentary.

Glad you weren't among the 5%.

Thanks for your support for NO on Prop 8.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:24 am

thanks DVD for the link.....could this possibly be a little ip address matching going on here?

if so, fucking brilliant.

will follow up.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:26 am

ooh, ooh, what's IP address matching?.........

raising hand, waving from the back of the class.........

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:28 am

Yeah, I got lazy and just didnt feel like using photobucket.

Post by **Elderberry** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:30 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:thanks DVD for the link.....could this possibly be a little ip address matching going on here?

if so, fucking brilliant.

will follow up.

Ok, that went right over my head.

JK

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:10 pm

I posted that, reportedly, a huge problem would land on the new president's desk as soon as he got to washington. I figured that it would be an austerity package forced on us by our creditors. There has been another possibility presented. It sounds somewhat doubtful though.
http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/10/ ... world-war/

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:12 pm

Sounds way too "conspiracy theory" to me. I'm still putting it in the category of "no man ever on the moon; who really killed kennedy, et.al.". Hope I'm right!

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:59 pm

yeah, I'm with JK.
Anything is possible, but..........

As much as I love conspiracy theories, I think the reality is most governments and agencies therein, are so bureaucratic and inept, they couldn't pull off most of what is feared from them, in that sense.......I think they're way more reactionary, not proactive.

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:11 pm

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... ahoo-world

the problem with history is that it is a series of conspiracies strung together to form a random whole.

it'll be china....make no mistake....

they've been prepping you (the general public) for years...

and soon, very soon, we will get into a tepid war with the chinese...

then we dont have to pay them what we owe them.

kinda cool, huh.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:26 pm

jkisha wrote:Sounds way too "conspiracy theory" to me. I'm still putting it in the category of "no man ever on the moon; who really killed kennedy, et.al.". Hope I'm right!

JK

"The Rand Directors who are also involved in the infamous Carlyle Group run by former politicians have asked that the $5 trillion dollar bailout recently robbed from American tax payers be used to finance a new war."

Familiar with the Carlyle Group? They are real you know. http://www.carlyle.com/

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:30 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... ahoo-world

the problem with history is that it is a series of conspiracies strung together to form a random whole.

it'll be china....make no mistake....

they've been prepping you (the general public) for years...

and soon, very soon, we will get into a tepid war with the chinese...

then we dont have to pay them what we owe them.

kinda cool, huh.

I think this is the first time I haven't agreed with one of your posts.

JK

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:31 pm

DVD Burner wrote:

Familiar with the Carlyle Group? They are real you know. http://www.carlyle.com/

If the players in a conspiracy theory didn't exist it wouldn't be much of a theory, now would it?

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:11 pm

jkisha wrote: If the players in a conspiracy theory didn't exist it wouldn't be much of a theory, now would it?

JK

That's gooood. That's real good.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:13 pm

jkisha wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... ahoo-world

the problem with history is that it is a series of conspiracies strung together to form a random whole.

it'll be china....make no mistake....

they've been prepping you (the general public) for years...

and soon, very soon, we will get into a tepid war with the chinese...

then we dont have to pay them what we owe them.

kinda cool, huh.
I think this is the first time I haven't agreed with one of your posts.

JK

Can you "Elucidate"?

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:21 pm

war with china would be cheap and easy ... just stop buying all their crap.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:33 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Can you "Elucidate"?

I just don't think we'll get into any war tepid or otherwise with China as an excuse to default on what we owe them. The results would have a catastrophic negative impact on our relationships with countries reverberating around the world.

JK

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:42 pm

WAR WITH CHINA???

I just don't see it happening. The US is disintegrating right now. China doesn't have to take any overt action. They don't have to dump US bonds. They don't have to do anything. They badly need our food exports. We can live without their "stuff" but not their bond purchases. Our military is shot all to hell. Any serious attack on China would have to be with ICBMs. A dose of radioactivity and a nuclear winter won't help anyone.

The US is flat on it's back,,, same with europe. Last 3rd quarter, Volvo Corp sold 45, 635 class 7 trucks. This 3Q, they sold 155. GB , reportedly can't afford to fuel up their military ships. This coming fiscal year, the US has to come up with $4.7 trillion extra to finance itself.
The bond market is just about to blow,,, same with CDOs and other derivatives. The world is catching on to the fact that treasuries aren't as safe as they used to be. If you look at FED borrowing, it's obvious that GOV is flat broke.
The US produces 44% of it's own oil. It's strategic needs run to 67% . I suppose that that includes military , farmers and powerplants. Canada might continue to ship oil if we default. Who knows?
Investors have quit buying long bonds. If they quit buying short bonds, the game is over. GOV is already laying off postal employees for the first time in history. I seriously doubt that GOV will initiate a war when it already has 2 unfinished wars to begin with.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:52 pm

can't sit still wrote:WAR WITH CHINA???

I just don't see it happening. The US is disintegrating right now. China doesn't have to take any overt action. They don't have to dump US bonds. They don't have to do anything. They badly need our food exports. We can live without their "stuff" but not their bond purchases. Our military is shot all to hell. Any serious attack on China would have to be with ICBMs. A dose of radioactivity and a nuclear winter won't help anyone.

The US is flat on it's back,,, same with europe. Last 3rd quarter, Volvo Corp sold 45, 635 class 7 trucks. This 3Q, they sold 155. GB , reportedly can't afford to fuel up their military ships. This coming fiscal year, the US has to come up with $4.7 trillion extra to finance itself.
The bond market is just about to blow,,, same with CDOs and other derivatives. The world is catching on to the fact that treasuries aren't as safe as they used to be. If you look at FED borrowing, it's obvious that GOV is flat broke.
The US produces 44% of it's own oil. It's strategic needs run to 67% . I suppose that that includes military , farmers and powerplants. Canada might continue to ship oil if we default. Who knows?
Investors have quit buying long bonds. If they quit buying short bonds, the game is over. GOV is already laying off postal employees for the first time in history. I seriously doubt that GOV will initiate a war when it already has 2 unfinished wars to begin with.

I don't think he was referring to a guns and bombs war.

JK

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:03 pm

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Visit http://notsmart.org and http://eelriver.org for the truth

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:50 pm

Questions raised over Syrian complicity in US raid

Syria has denounced a US strike on its territory but sources say Damascus secretly backed the raid

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 062848.ece

Marie Colvin and Uzi Mahnaimi

The 38-year-old farmer was watering his maize in the scrubby vastness of eastern Syria when four Black Hawk helicopters swooped in low over the palm trees, heading from the border with Iraq formed by the Euphrates River.

It was late afternoon. The light was fading and the chill of the desert winter night was setting in. The helicopters, following their leader in a disciplined arc, hovered just above the one-storey concrete and mud homes of the village of Sukariyeh before the attack began.

Two of them landed next to a ramshackle building site and uniformed men hit the ground firing. Two other helicopters gave aerial cover.

â€œTo begin with I thought they were Syrian helicopters, but then I saw eight or nine soldiers armed to the teeth. They carried big black M16s,â€

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:53 am

fine, dont believe me, it's no skin off my nose...

we start by first confronting them in Africa via proxy armies...

then we argue about the real shit, like taiwan.

we shall see, we shall see.

all i know is, MacArthur was right.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:11 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:fine, dont believe me, it's no skin off my nose...

we start by first confronting them in Africa via proxy armies...

then we argue about the real shit, like taiwan.

we shall see, we shall see.

all i know is, MacArthur was right.

OK So let's take out half of the world--hell, let's take out all of the world except for North America; and we then incorporate Canada and Mexico as new states. Then we only have to worry about interior terrorists and nut jobs? And a government that would foment such a plan?

You paint a sad picture of the human race--or is it a reflection?

Time will tell I guess.

JK

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:35 am

it is merely what it is....i dont make policy.

welcome JKisha, to a Brave New World.

i'm sorry that you dont want to see it, it holds no appeal to me either.

but it doesnt mean i'm going to pretend it's not there.

if i were you, i would not worry too much, it is out of your hands and there is not much anyone can do about it. Relax, and enjoy the ride.

it is both a blessing, and a curse to live in interesting times.

Post by **Elderberry** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:14 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:it is merely what it is....i dont make policy.

welcome JKisha, to a Brave New World.

i'm sorry that you dont want to see it, it holds no appeal to me either.

but it doesnt mean i'm going to pretend it's not there.

if i were you, i would not worry too much, it is out of your hands and there is not much anyone can do about it. Relax, and enjoy the ride.

it is both a blessing, and a curse to live in interesting times.

This is true.

well cassandra, just call me pollyanna! LOL

JK

Simon of the Playa · Post by **Simon of the Playa** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:09 pm

only if you'll wear the wig.

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