What's a Palin

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:44 am

Stanislas Yassukovich?

DEEP!

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:59 am

They get their money most of the time by wrangling taxpayer money. When they spend "their money" they are thinking of how to offset with tax money later.

For campaigns they beg it from the people--who give voluntarily(unless you're in a union--and then they spend the dues you pay to support who they want--regardless of your political views)

If you accept certain guidelines and restrictions, you can get federal matching money(a program designed to keep special interests out of elections(McCain is using this system, Obama, who said he would, is not)

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:06 am

lurker wrote:
They get their money most of the time by wrangling taxpayer money. When they spend "their money" they are thinking of how to offset with tax money later.
For campaigns they beg it from the people--who give voluntarily(unless you're in a union--and then they spend the dues you pay to support who they want--regardless of your political views)

If you accept certain guidelines and restrictions, you can get federal matching money(a program designed to keep special interests out of elections(McCain is using this system, Obama, who said he would, is not)

Sounds like someone is gettin a little jealous that the big O is gettin more money than the loser.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:15 am

It will always be true that money talks. Obama is getting more money in smaller donations from more people than any time in history. (for his campaign, that is) This could only happen because he is able to touch more people and relate to them better than any time at least in recent history--and he's black to boot.

The reason that $150,000.00 for Palin's wardrobe is such a big issue is not the amount of money--hey I like to shop at both of those stores myself; but because of the hypocrisy of it all. Wasn't she trying to present as 'a soccer mom'? just one of the common, real Americans? Please, let's get real.

Oh well, I guess that's why poor people are poor and save the lottery, always will be.

JK

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:21 am

jkisha wrote: The reason that $150,000.00 for Palin's wardrobe is such a big issue is not the amount of money--hey I like to shop at both of those stores myself; but because of the hypocrisy of it all. Wasn't she trying to present as 'a soccer mom'? just one of the common, real Americans? Please, let's get real.

JK

i don't know, JK ... it seems that she needed that wardrobe because she did not have it, ie, she IS a hockey mom. she can't go campaigning in hunting gear or old sweats covered in baby barf stains... it would be more genuine, perhaps, but i can't see it. they want her to look at least somewhat presidential (yes, i know, they failed in your view...!)

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:27 am

littleflower wrote:
i don't know, JK ... it seems that she needed that wardrobe because she did not have it, ie, she IS a hockey mom. she can't go campaigning in hunting gear or old sweats covered in baby barf stains... it would be more genuine, perhaps, but i can't see it. they want her to look at least somewhat presidential (yes, i know, they failed in your view...!)

I would have had more respect for her and the campaign had she went shopping at TJ MAX for her wardrobe and put the balance of the money towards a tutor to at least school her as to the responsibilities of the vice president, let alone the president.

And they keep talking about Joe the Plumber--a looser, but $150,000 is about $25,000 more than Joe's house. Socker mom my ass. She's an empty headed beauty pageant runner up and she always will be. (I just had to say that.)

JK

littleflower · Post by **littleflower** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:33 am

jkisha wrote:
littleflower wrote:
i don't know, JK ... it seems that she needed that wardrobe because she did not have it, ie, she IS a hockey mom. she can't go campaigning in hunting gear or old sweats covered in baby barf stains... it would be more genuine, perhaps, but i can't see it. they want her to look at least somewhat presidential (yes, i know, they failed in your view...!)
I would have had more respect for her and the campaign had she went shopping at TJ MAX for her wardrobe and put the balance of the money towards a tutor to at least school her as to the responsibilities of the vice president, let alone the president.

And they keep talking about Joe the Plumber--a looser, but $150,000 is about $25,000 more than Joe's house. Socker mom my ass. She's an empty headed beauty pageant runner up and she always will be. (I just had to say that.)

JK

!!!! i do not think it matters one bit what they do, JK ... your mind was made up about her way before she was even announced! joe the plumber, too.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:48 am

jkisha wrote:It will always be true that money talks. Obama is getting more money in smaller donations from more people than any time in history. (for his campaign, that is) This could only happen because he is able to touch more people and relate to them better than any time at least in recent history--and he's black to boot.

The reason that $150,000.00 for Palin's wardrobe is such a big issue is not the amount of money--hey I like to shop at both of those stores myself; but because of the hypocrisy of it all. Wasn't she trying to present as 'a soccer mom'? just one of the common, real Americans? Please, let's get real.

Oh well, I guess that's why poor people are poor and save the lottery, always will be.

JK

I do, though, wonder how the left would be talking, were McCain so far ahead on money raising?..........

I'd be suspect of the figures referring to the small donations from individuals. I think it's a fairly standard practice to have big money donated in small amount by many people, just to give that appearance, and, for easier accounting and less restriction, since, I think there are different rules applying to large and small donations........

I say this in reference to both parties........

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:54 am

ygmir wrote: I do, though, wonder how the left would be talking, were McCain so far ahead on money raising?..........

Reality just works better.

most times.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:11 am

ya kind of lost me there, DVD........my density and all......

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:20 am

ygmir wrote:ya kind of lost me there, DVD........my density and all......

Reality is, Obama is ahead in funds, McCain is not.
There's no need to wonder cause it's not happening nor will it ever.

Cant make it any simpler than that.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:23 am

ygmir wrote:

I'd be suspect of the figures referring to the small donations from individuals.

Never said he didn't get large contributions too. Just said more small contributors than ever before. I think I heard that just under half of his money came from small donations, though don't quote me on that. I don't think he has done anything to hide or distort where his money is coming from though.

JK

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:29 am

DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:ya kind of lost me there, DVD........my density and all......
Reality is, Obama is ahead in funds, McCain is not.
There's no need to wonder cause it's not happening nor will it ever.

Cant make it any simpler than that.

wasn't after simplification, just clarity............

I guess the point I was heading for is that the left decries the fact that the right is all the rich people with all the money, and I've often heard the lament that the right can outspend them........
and I don't see that being the case.......

don't really care, I dislike both..........

I do appreciate your condescension, though.......makes me feel better, all warm and snuggly............

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:31 am

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote:

I'd be suspect of the figures referring to the small donations from individuals.
Never said he didn't get large contributions too. Just said more small contributors than ever before. I think I heard that just under half of his money came from small donations, though don't quote me on that. I don't think he has done anything to hide or distort where his money is coming from though.

JK

and, I wasn't saying he doesn't get large donations......I was just saying that I suspect a lot of the large donations are broken down into smaller ones, for the stated purposes, and, I refer to both parties........

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:32 am

I do, though, wonder how the left would be talking, were McCain so far ahead on money raising?..........

McCain's got limits on how he can fundraise. Obama decided to work outside that system. FAR outside. Why, quite a few of Obama's donations seem to come from people who don't have names at all.

I would have had more respect for her and the campaign had she went shopping at TJ MAX for her wardrobe...

Hey, remeber when she ran into Wal-mart for some diapers? I didn't hear the kudos reverberating over the leftospher....

Sounds like someone is gettin a little jealous that the big O is gettin more money than the loser.

Nah, I lose either way. I just like pointing out how reality doesn't match fantasy. Obama said he's be taking the fed funds route. And then didn't. Breaking promises before even setting foot in the White House. Not really a biggie--it's a limitation I wouldn't accept, but it DOES go to show how his misdeeds get ignored by the faithful.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:33 am

ygmir wrote: and, I wasn't saying he doesn't get large donations......I was just saying that I suspect a lot of the large donations are broken down into smaller ones, for the stated purposes, and, I refer to both parties........

Maybe, but I choose not to believe that.

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:35 am

lurker wrote:
Nah, I lose either way. I just like pointing out how reality doesn't match fantasy. Obama said he's be taking the fed funds route. And then didn't. Breaking promises before even setting foot in the White House. Not really a biggie--it's a limitation I wouldn't accept, but it DOES go to show how his misdeeds get ignored by the faithful.

You know something, it would be nice if you could post A QUOTE OR A LINK.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:38 am

jkisha wrote:
ygmir wrote: and, I wasn't saying he doesn't get large donations......I was just saying that I suspect a lot of the large donations are broken down into smaller ones, for the stated purposes, and, I refer to both parties........
Maybe, but I choose not to believe that.

JK

and that response is one of the reasons I admire you...........

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:40 am

I don't think he has done anything to hide or distort where his money is coming from though.

Nah, just ask Doodad Pro and JFGGJJFGGJ, two proud Obama donors. They'll tell you that Obamas' on the up-and-up. Maybe they're registered to vote in Pennsylvania, with their pal Ben Dover, a registered Obama Democrat.

All perfectly normal, nothing to see here....

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:41 am

ygmir wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:ya kind of lost me there, DVD........my density and all......
Reality is, Obama is ahead in funds, McCain is not.
There's no need to wonder cause it's not happening nor will it ever.

Cant make it any simpler than that.
wasn't after simplification, just clarity............

I guess the point I was heading for is that the left decries the fact that the right is all the rich people with all the money, and I've often heard the lament that the right can outspend them........
and I don't see that being the case.......

don't really care, I dislike both..........

I do appreciate your condescension, though.......makes me feel better, all warm and snuggly............

Glad it does but I'm neither left nor right, Dem nor Repub.

It would be nice if yall would stop with the assumptions.

I'm trying to make a point but it seems my point is flying over yalls heads.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:43 am

lurker wrote:
I don't think he has done anything to hide or distort where his money is coming from though.
Nah, just ask Doodad Pro and JFGGJJFGGJ, two proud Obama donors. They'll tell you that Obamas' on the up-and-up. Maybe they're registered to vote in Pennsylvania, with their pal Ben Dover, a registered Obama Democrat.

All perfectly normal, nothing to see here....

Cites please.

Post by **Elderberry** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:47 am

DVD Burner wrote:
lurker wrote:
I don't think he has done anything to hide or distort where his money is coming from though.
Nah, just ask Doodad Pro and JFGGJJFGGJ, two proud Obama donors. They'll tell you that Obamas' on the up-and-up. Maybe they're registered to vote in Pennsylvania, with their pal Ben Dover, a registered Obama Democrat.

All perfectly normal, nothing to see here....

Cites please.

LOL Funny!

JK

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:48 am

Bet he wont post.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:50 am

DVD Burner wrote:
ygmir wrote:
DVD Burner wrote: Reality is, Obama is ahead in funds, McCain is not.
There's no need to wonder cause it's not happening nor will it ever.

Cant make it any simpler than that.
wasn't after simplification, just clarity............

I guess the point I was heading for is that the left decries the fact that the right is all the rich people with all the money, and I've often heard the lament that the right can outspend them........
and I don't see that being the case.......

don't really care, I dislike both..........

I do appreciate your condescension, though.......makes me feel better, all warm and snuggly............
Glad it does but I'm neither left nor right, Dem nor Repub.

It would be nice if yall would stop with the assumptions.

I'm trying to make a point but it seems my point is flying over yalls heads.

DVD:
I think I see a little narcissism creeping in here......
I have not pinned you as left or right, and, made no assumptions.
I do disagree if I see what I feel is a mis-statement, or, if I need clarification.
I also state when I agree with you.

You do, however, seem always to make things in threads about you......
and tend to refer to yourself in quite grandiose terms......

I have nothing against any of the above, but, Just trying to make it about ideas and not someones superiority........

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:52 am

ygmir wrote:
DVD:
I think I see a little narcissism creeping in here......
I have not pinned you as left or right, and, made no assumptions.
I do disagree if I see what I feel is a mis-statement, or, if I need clarification.
I also state when I agree with you.

You do, however, seem always to make things in threads about you......
and tend to refer to yourself in quite grandiose terms......

I have nothing against any of the above, but, Just trying to make it about ideas and not someones superiority........

Ooooooo Kaaaaayyyy!

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:53 am

So I gather, you understand my point.

Mind you, I have just given you the benefit of the doubt.

ygmir · Post by **ygmir** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:58 am

yes, I do, and I always enjoy our repartee.........

you have some interesting insights and draw conclusions I'd not have thought of......

It is, though, at times, fun to tease........hahahahahaa

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:00 pm

Cites please

Why? You all just ignore every cite that contradicts your beliefs about the One.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:15 pm

lurker wrote:
Cites please
Why? You all just ignore every cite that contradicts your beliefs about the One.

CITE!

Never have I done that on eplaya when someone post facts.
Now stop trying to get out of it and post a cite.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:18 pm

ygmir wrote:yes, I do, and I always enjoy our repartee.........

you have some interesting insights and draw conclusions I'd not have thought of......

It is, though, at times, fun to tease........hahahahahaa

See,

My roomates love to do that to me also.
They say they do it cause it's easy.
They actually love wasting time that way.
Go figure.