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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:51 pm

Ms cryptofishist said something about trepidation at starting a political thread. I have no idea what she's talking about. :mrgreen:

Well, is islam a danger to the West or not? Here is a quote from a writer who was previously a believer and helped to install the grand imman Khomeini .
"“Committed Muslims want [westerners] not to have knowledge of Islam,â€
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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:02 pm

Although it's not politically correct to say so, Islam is NOT a "religion of peace".
It is a violent cult with ridiculous laws.

As for it being a danger to the west, just go to London.
When I was first there about 12 years ago, it was like any other city.
Now, it's literally infested with "ninjas" (Muslims in full burka).
Many other European cities are having the same problem.


On a lighter note, it's kind of funny that their holiest item (which they face towards several times a day & make pilgrimages to go see) is nothing more than a meteorite (the 'black stone').
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Post by JStep » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:03 pm

Every religion has a wide open door to become a danger. Most acts of terrorism committed on US soil were committed by christians. While the majority of people of any religion are not so indoctrinated as to justify killing in the name of... The logical pathway is there once the human mind can be made to embrace faith, which is simply believing something despite a complete lack of supporting evidence and mountains of evidence to the contrary. Once the mind is convinced to make this leap a person is just a few logical steps and some bad circumstances away from the ability to justify monsterous acts whether they be muslim, jew, christian, hindu, scientologist or what have you.

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5684 ... s-movement

I probably wont be lured into any protracted debate about this, the arguments are older than I am, the rationale is well established and it's really pretty pointless to try and convince someone who doesn't wish to see reason. But for what it's worth, that's my two cents.

I do enjoy debating atheism vs theism, but... this is my happy place. :P

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:05 pm

pathetic.




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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:09 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:pathetic.

Most 'religions' are.
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Post by JStep » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:18 pm

Just realized I posted the wrong link, but I'll leave it as it's a good read, if somewhat off topic, lol.

I meant to post this link below as I think it illustrates the current efforts of the religious right in the US to take over the GOP and the US government, very similar to sharia styled muslims. Point being that it's not just the muslims that are busy trying to make over modern society into a barbaric theocracy.

http://rprivitera.newsvine.com/_news/20 ... ar-society
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:20 pm

i was referring to you and can't sit still, Neon Tetra.



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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:22 pm

What, in particular, did I say that you disagree with?

Also, I thought you 'plonked' me. ;)
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:23 pm

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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:24 pm

Take a look at the WhatWhenWhere.
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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:29 pm

yeah, i got that in front of me too, asshole....show me the rule...



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Post by Bob » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:17 pm

Does Islam have any hot saints?

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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:19 pm

J-step, I agree with you on all counts. I think that it is important to differentiate between groups that are fighting for control and groups that just want to be left alone. You don't see the Amish causing problems. As a society, I believe that it is incumbent on us to make an effort to get along. "Kill the infidel" is ALL wrong. Some groups fight for control. Some groups fight to be accepted. Some don't worry about it.
Everyone has divided loyalties. This can all be held , more or less, in balance. For most people, religion is a part-time crutch. For clergy, a full-time obsession. Obsessions don't allow a functioning society if they demand killing of non-observers. This is anti-societal.

There is another large problem. The birthrate. This is definitely anti-societal. Look at the 2 graphs on this page;
http://one-simple-idea.com/Environment1.htm
These trends can't continue for much longer. I expect that the countries that have let their population run away from the food-production ability will soon have big problems. Inflation is driving up commodities. Weather is driving down supplies. I suspect that the West will try to insure that food shortages hit muslim countries the worst.
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Post by Sham » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:39 pm

Religious zealots are what causes all the problems in this world, aa well as multiple page blabberings in this forum.
Yup, if it were not for zealots, this world would be a happier place.
That is the true dangers affecting our world.

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Post by Elderberry » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:39 pm

I see no other solution to this "problem" other than we all convert to Islam.

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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:40 pm

i agree with Bob.


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Post by Sham » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:51 pm

jkisha wrote:I see no other solution to this "problem" other than we all convert to Islam.

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Post by Trishntek » Sun Dec 26, 2010 4:51 pm

I would agree Islam in general is a threat to our traditions and liberty. But that can be said about any religion pushing for theocratic rule. Currently, Islam does push for "tolerance" while exemplifying the epitome of intolerance.

I do not believe the general population of Muslims seeks global domination. The appeal of Islam to the ignorant, orphaned and desperate make it a gate way for a cult-like following. Unfortunately, we failed to pick up the pieces after Russia fled Afghanistan and left a tribal nation to the mercy of malevolent gangs seeking power in the name of god.

I do not doubt their resolve or their belief that what they seek is righteous. But their world view is very small. All the radicals know is what they have been spoon-fed.

Bottom line,,,,, all people with idealistic goals based upon the control of other's thinking, moral values, way of life and liberties is a danger to our society.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:07 pm

Trish, I would agree with except for one small detail. How many religions are calling for death for non-believers?
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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:10 pm

can't sit still wrote:Trish, I would agree with except for one small detail. How many religions are calling for death for non-believers?

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.


Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:23 pm

Neon, some people may quote the Old Testament but, I doubt that anyone is using it for a guide for living. J. C. was a big improvement on the old books. The Jesuits [soldiers of jesus] were REAL big on kill-or-convert. They were kicked out of many countries. Things have settled down in regard to christians. Now, the shoe is on the other foot;
"300 Islamists from FPI, the Indonesian Ulama Forum and the Islamic Reformist Movement, together with civil service police officers, raided and forcibly closed seven churches in Rancaekek. "
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Post by ygmir » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:24 pm

I'd submit, that rarely are religions the problem.........
The problem is the people.

but, that's just my opinion.
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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:37 pm

People brainwashed by religion are the problem. And of those, there are many.


And I'll take a hot chai latte instead. With soy milk, please.
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Post by can't sit still » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:44 pm

I don't post things because I believe that they are the absolute truth. I post them because I believe that they should be considered.

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Post by neon tetra » Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:49 pm

The only soy product I consider healthy is organic tempeh. Most other soy products are extremely overprocessed.
I still think a bit of soy milk is better than non-organic dairy milk on the rare occasion I have a chai.
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Post by Elderberry » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:45 pm

Shambala wrote:
jkisha wrote:I see no other solution to this "problem" other than we all convert to Islam.

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Some of us are too smart for that.
I would have thought some were smarter than this post demonstrates too, but of course, I would have been wrong.

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Post by goathead » Sun Dec 26, 2010 6:46 pm

jkisha wrote:
Shambala wrote:
jkisha wrote:I see no other solution to this "problem" other than we all convert to Islam.

JK
Some of us are too smart for that.
I would have thought some were smarter than this post demonstrates too, but of course, i'de be wrong.

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Post by JStep » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:37 pm

ygmir wrote:I'd submit, that rarely are religions the problem.........
The problem is the people.
That would seem to be true of most problems that exist.
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Post by ygmir » Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:44 pm

JStep wrote:
ygmir wrote:I'd submit, that rarely are religions the problem.........
The problem is the people.
That would seem to be true of most problems that exist.
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