Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

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Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:47 pm

I figured that with all the people weighing in on the threads (mostly involving abuses by powerful people, coincidence?) where issues are discussed, and then some concerned road-block feels compelled to weigh in and say “Nothing can be done, why is this being discussed, I’m bored with this discussion among the adults, kill this thread, whine whine whine about others being interested in something” you just don’t get, or hope to derail.

Here is your thread, fill out your forms, discuss why you feel discussing something is pointless, complain about public input and concern, discourage yourself. Do that here.

Please quit doing your completely illogical rants about how rants are so pointless on threads where people actually believe this type of discussion has meaning. Thank you.

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by GreyCoyote » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:52 pm

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:55 pm

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:58 pm

I'm pretty sure during the brief moment I met you on playa, Gr-ote, between me begging for bike help, and everyone at your camp laughing at my fuzzy slippers, that you pulled back a punch on me.
It was when I introduced myself.
You had your chance.
Something COULD have been done.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:06 pm

If anybody could find me a copy of this record...

...I'd be pretty damned impressed.*

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:08 pm

Here's one for Rhino...

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:11 pm

Just doing my part to make room for radical inclusion.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:14 pm

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:52 pm

Charts are good.

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(That almost said "Charts are goo")
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:54 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:Image
Do ya got one of a smiley face fucking a dead horse?
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Elorrum » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:59 pm

it's just adorable! Don't you just want to hug and squeeze it? Punch and pinch it?
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and o.k I like this idea, sort of a page two wrinkle.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by GreyCoyote » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:11 am

Bri: I do remember meeting you. I was trying to hand you a tamale as I recall. LOL!

BTW, I was rather fond of that particular horse before it passed on. Its name was "Decommodification". I'm just not sure what the point is now. Dead is dead. :cry: But this is turning into a fun rememberance thread just the same.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by TT120 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 8:26 am

There is nothing I can do about this thread.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by FlyingMonkey » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:21 am

Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by GreyCoyote » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:25 am

Can there be empathy in entropy, or would that violate a few laws? :mrgreen:
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:48 am

Not from my viewpoint. Seems like the proper way forward into the abyss.
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Post by Tin Halo » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:16 pm

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Elorrum » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Entropy, it isn't just a great idea, It's the law!
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:53 pm

With the right leadership, anything can be done.
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Post by AntiM » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:51 pm

I was going to post in the apathy thread, but I guess this will do.

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by forty_eight » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:57 pm

if nothing can be done, might as well do it here.

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Post by 5280MeV » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:19 pm

FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.
You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

Why?
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Post by gaminwench » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:40 pm

I'm really trying to care.

Oh, well.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by forty_eight » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:43 pm

TIL: 13 billion years ago all the coins were heads-up

physics is amazing stuff, lol

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Post by FIGJAM » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:56 pm

Now we're all going tits up!!!
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Post by chuckularone » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:11 pm

5280MeV wrote:
FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.
You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

Why?
Because.
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Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:16 pm

5280MeV wrote:...Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.Why?
Okay, I had to have this read to me twice, but it implies that change is possible. On a cosmic scale. This kind of leads me to believe that change is possible even in something as ancient and time tested as Burner Culture and participant configuration...things akin to thunder and lightning, uncontrollable and beyond mere mortal comprehension. Yet here you are insinuating that the very nature of our universe has changed, can change. Then to add to the issue, you pursue information just to know more, as if you can, and as if that matters.... This really isn't the thread for your kind of open discourse. Well, not that anything can be done about that.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:25 pm

So, in this are heads up, or heads down?

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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by TT120 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:58 pm

5280MeV wrote:
FlyingMonkey wrote:Entropy concerns me, but I hear nothing can be done.
You are just looking at it wrong. If you look at the universe with the arrow of time reversed, then entropy is decreasing - and that is bizarre.

Consider the following scenario:

You have a room filled with coins on the floor, and every single one of them is "tails" at 5:00pm. This can be thought of as a low entropy state. Then you have a process where a coin is chosen randomly and flipped each second. As time progresses, the room would settle into a higher entropy state of coins randomly heads or tails in approximately equal proportion.

Now - this flipping process is time-symmetric. One can run time in reverse and the same thing happens, if coins are randomly "reverse-flipped", then as the clock rewinds from 5:00pm to an earlier time, the coins will settle into a high entropy state of random heads and tails in roughly equal proportion.

The same holds with all the known laws of physics. Start at some low-entropy state at a specified time, and as time moves forward the entropy should increase. However, if you simulate time going backwards, these same rules generally predict that entropy should increase.

Somehow our universe found itself in an oddly ordered state around 13 billion years ago and has been expanding out into a general random mess of increasing entropy ever since.

Why?
Unless the coins started off all "heads" and then were flipped over to "tails", one at a time, in the time before 5:00pm. Then If you ran time backwards from 5:00pm the entropy state would remain low. I can't prove any of this however and can't do anything about it.
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Re: Nothing Can Be Done Thread.

Post by Lonesomebri » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:01 am

It takes time to unfold your fate.
And you really don't know, yeah, I really don't know what to do.....

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