Hopes and Fears? What it was, is, and what it shall be...

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:55 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
HughMungus wrote:Could someone summarize the topic of this thread in one sentence? Is there a point somewhere?
Hopes and Fears? What it was, is, and what it shall be...

“Beyond exellence, beyond the supreme....Strive for the ultimate.......”

Oh, OK. Thanks. You're a real asset to the community. Not this one, though. :P

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:03 pm

you with that wonderful HughMungus brain of yours.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:57 pm

DVD Burner wrote:I think whatever it is....it must be personal.

DVD Burner wrote:Doubt you will get an appropriate answer...

...Well ok, Just wish you wouldn't take things so personal.I just could not let that one pass by, especially just comming in from work and seeing this. (from the hip.)

If you are telling me this is your attempt to be funny, its not working for you. I think you are just trying to play it off now as something innocent and harmless. Besides the two comments above you make replies to my statements like this...

...I was told not to long ago on this board that “I blame the man” for what happens to me on this board. ( Man did I think that was an Incredibly stupid statement.)

So I am not believing it.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:00 pm

HughMungus wrote:Oh, OK. Thanks. You're a real asset to the community. Not this one, though. :P

So I take it radical inclusion is dead then?
I know DVD can rub people the wrong way sometimes but I think that statement was a little bit harsh.
</soapbox>

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:04 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:I know DVD can rub people the wrong way sometimes but I think that statement was a little bit harsh.

yep, but in this case it works both ways, and sidetracking the other discussion.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:35 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:
HughMungus wrote:Oh, OK. Thanks. You're a real asset to the community. Not this one, though. :P
So I take it radical inclusion is dead then?
I know DVD can rub people the wrong way sometimes but I think that statement was a little bit harsh.
</soapbox>

GRRR!!! You missed the :P !!! Read carefully people. VERY CAREFULLY.

OK so what's this thread about again? Did anybody ever say?

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:18 pm

HughMungus wrote:GRRR!!! You missed the !!! Read carefully people. VERY CAREFULLY. OK so what's this thread about again? Did anybody ever say?

I didnt miss it. But since you have repeated yourself so many times without an answer, why do you think people are going to do it now? *sigh* If people dont want to answer, comment, discuss, argue... you cant make them.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:24 pm

Actually I didn't see the smilie. I still don't see it in your post but it shows up in SB's. Must be another IE quirk. Why am I still using IE anyway? Hmmm. Anyway.... next post?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:29 pm

spectabillis wrote:
HughMungus wrote:GRRR!!! You missed the :P !!! Read carefully people. VERY CAREFULLY. OK so what's this thread about again? Did anybody ever say?
I didnt miss it. But since you have repeated yourself so many times without an answer, why do you think people are going to do it now? *sigh* If people dont want to answer, comment, discuss, argue... you cant make them.

So...you don't know what this thread is about, either?

Anybody know? Third time's a charm. Come on people. I gave you necklaces. Where's the giftback?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:30 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:Actually I didn't see the smilie. I still don't see it in your post but it shows up in SB's. Must be another IE quirk. Why am I still using IE anyway? Hmmm. Anyway.... next post?

No worries, brother. Some people can take a little criticism, no matter how mis-directed. :P

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:14 am

This is the 42nd post. I count 11, only 11 posts that could be considered as any kind of topic based discussion.

I am amazed.

Its pathetic how much crap is posted around here without even a semblance to actual content. What many think this board is about is beyond me, because its not very open to anything much more than some sort of playground.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:46 am

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:33 am

spectabillis wrote:This is the 42nd post. I count 11, only 11 posts that could be considered as any kind of topic based discussion.

I am amazed.

Its pathetic how much crap is posted around here without even a semblance to actual content. What many think this board is about is beyond me, because its not very open to anything much more than some sort of playground.

I bet if people knew what your thread was about that more would reply on topic. Just a thought.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:09 am

And I am also sure that if people put aside this crap, that there would obviously be more than just a quarter, a fourth!, of the comments that actually say something. No one is saying having fun or banter is wrong, but come on! There has to be some respect given to other users on the board.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:49 am

spectabillis wrote:And I am also sure that if people put aside this crap, that there would obviously be more than just a quarter, a fourth!, of the comments that actually say something. No one is saying having fun or banter is wrong, but come on! There has to be some respect given to other users on the board.

Sorry. Didn't mean to derail your thread.

So what's the topic? I'm looking forward to participating.

Ugly Dougly · Post by **Ugly Dougly** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:00 pm

I hope you're not afraid.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:33 pm

HughMungus wrote:Sorry. Didn't mean to derail your thread.

Well, I am not looking for an apology, but I still appreciate it. I honestly dont want to sound like I am comming down on 'ya becaue I am speaking as a member of this community and user of this board like everyone else. Its a problem where people get run off when they have something important they want to post or discuss, and they cant.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:38 pm

spectabillis wrote:
HughMungus wrote:Sorry. Didn't mean to derail your thread.
Well, I am not looking for an apology, but I still appreciate it. I honestly dont want to sound like I am comming down on 'ya becaue I am speaking as a member of this community and user of this board like everyone else. Its a problem where people get run off when they have something important they want to post or discuss, and they cant.

Here we go again.

What is keeping you from discussing your topic? If I'm talking to a friend at a restaurant and the waitress comes over and interrupts us, we don't throw up our hands and give up on our discussion; we continue as before.

p.s. What is the topic? If I'm as smart as I am and don't know what it is, how do you expect the not-as-smart-as-me people to understand what the topic is? So far only you and one other person seem to know what this thread is about. You're not being very inclusive.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:46 pm

His post was a repost of a repost. How in the hell do you expect him to discuss the topic when it wasn't really his in the first place. Hey - isn't that a bit like cross posting. Should we alert the mods. Oh wait - sorry.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:54 pm

It's about the damn theme.
Even in my frazzled state of mind I was able to figure that much out.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Can you discuss the topic?

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:03 pm

Cabanasprings wrote:Can you discuss the topic?

I have hope that the BLM will renew BM's permits.
I have fear that they'll add 14 pages of new stipulations to the deal.
And they'll want more money too.

There. Satisfied? I already know the answer....NO. But I tried and that's what counts.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:05 pm

Kinetic IV wrote:It's about the damn theme.
Even in my frazzled state of mind I was able to figure that much out.

Right. What ABOUT the theme is it about? Dying to know!!!

Also, if it is about the theme, then it's in the wrong category. Should be 2006 Theme. That might have helped with understanding what it's about. Just sayin'.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:06 pm

A - for effort, however I believe the OP said that this thread is about "knee jerk reactions."

BTW - I agree with your hopes and fears.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:33 pm

HughMungus wrote:What is keeping you from discussing your topic? If I'm talking to a friend at a restaurant and the waitress comes over and interrupts us, we don't throw up our hands and give up on our discussion; we continue as before.

... and when she comes back every few seconds... and everytime starts talking about some random shit... and how many times does this go on? and others come over and drag in their stuff and start complaining about things...

I cant see why this is both so difficult to understand and see for yourself despite how I explain it. Read back from the beginning, see how a few got into a discussion, see who and where things degenerated into... this, me, having to go into excrutiating detail on why its a problem. If you still dont understand, or even understand what the topic is you cant force people to explain it to you, which I already told you. If you think its exclusionary, its not, its people wanting to discuss things without having to discuss or justify why.

People have different ways of discussing things and intereacting, if you dont understand that then you need to read over the bar topic first, then read one of the camera vs. critical tits discussions. Two completely different topics, two completely different forms. If you still dont get it, then I suggest lurking until you do, ask a question, and dont persistantly keep asking if no one answers you. Seriously, you will get it, you will understand.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 1:43 pm

so the count is now what, 56?

ed: this is so incredible, so pathetic.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:24 pm

spectabillis wrote:so the count is now what, 56?

ed: this is so incredible, so pathetic.

My mother used to say that only boring people get bored. *Hint*

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 2:43 pm

spectabillis wrote:And I guess thats another area where the respect part comes in, not jumping to immediate 'knee jerk' responses from dogmatic beliefs. Its an important function of art to inspire people to look past their boundaries, and the event itself used to give an atmosphere that was supportive of that. Rules... beliefs... values... I dont think people really appreciate that even when these things can be important - its equally important to keep from imposing them too much at burningman.

If you create something or express an opinion (art, actions, words, whatever), expect that others might offer an opinion that differs from your own. Be an adult and take the criticism in stride and either use it or throw it in the trash. Don't cry because someone else hurt your feelings.

(Am I understanding what this thread is about now? God I hope so. I had to read some posts more than once.)