Burner Impressions of Christianity

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 12:33 am

Thanks Honey!

itwazed · Post by **itwazed** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:31 am

As a Christian burner my experience with other burners who follow the word has been nil. I have yet to have a religious discussion with any burner ive met (which in a way itself is strange as i luv talking about faith and beliefs with others), but ive had many many spritual interactions with many of my fellow burners. I find at burn my "beliefs" per say are unimportant, as a Christian who has some views that tend to be outside of exceptable church teachings, the burn is the one place I dont feel defensive or judged. Often with the kindness and openness of complete strangers and the willingness to help one another that happens on the playa, its the place I myself most often get a glimpse at the true face of Jesus.

dana · Post by **dana** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:03 pm

itwazed wrote: Often with the kindness and openness of complete strangers and the willingness to help one another that happens on the playa, its the place I myself most often get a glimpse at the true face of Jesus.

OK, so I had taken the original post'er up on his call to give criticism of christianity, but this reminds me again of what I do like about christianity - that sense of "the true face of Jesus." (I suppose it could be Buddha or some other...) It can give a belief in humanity that reaches for something a little bigger than what we learn to settle for.

By the way, what happened to John the thread originator? Any thoughts John, on the direction the thread has gone?

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:26 pm

So I was camping with this guy named shlomo and it was his first year, my 23rd and I was grooving on the newbie vibe to the max when all of the sudden he says fuck it and goes to center camp and like totally borrows this homespun robe and he starts tipping over tables and cursing moneychangers and laying on hands which fer shur scquicked some of the squares but it wasn't that inaprorpriate but some people were like so not into it and went to LEO and and they dragged his skinny ass from the center camp space for free expression he was all like "my father why have you foresaken me?" and it was profound and deep and it made me wonder.

It was the best impression of xtianity i'da evah seen, fer sure fer shure!

dana · Post by **dana** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:37 pm

umm....

Does he have any followers yet?

I think I could really get behind some guy named shlomo.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 3:48 pm

Damn, There's christians on the playa??.. I don't care about the rules.. I'm bring the lions..

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:05 pm

Why be an atheist? I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one.

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:30 pm

Why be an atheist? I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one.

Because atheists BELIEVE that there is(are) no god(s). I think the Flying Spaghetti Monster idea best sums up the reasons. If you're not familiar with it, it's basically a stupid mythical creature to make a point. There is no more evidence that one religion is more valid that the Flying Spaghetti Monster and we know he's just ridiculous.

dana · Post by **dana** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 4:48 pm

HughMungus wrote:Why be an atheist? I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one.

Stone him!!

STONE HIM!!!

gyre · Post by **gyre** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:47 pm

I thought the spaghetti thing was the scientologists?

Now I'm all confused.

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:19 pm

HughMungus wrote:Why be an atheist? I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one.

Wait a minute! I've seen this movie before, Groundhog Day, right?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:56 pm

AntiM wrote:
HughMungus wrote:Why be an atheist? I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one.
Wait a minute! I've seen this movie before, Groundhog Day, right?

tee hee hee

How is everybody. I've been focusing on regionals.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:54 pm

So what is Christianity's perspective on Burningman:

http://www.worthynews.com/news-features ... g-man.html

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/BurningMan.html

This one has cool background music:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... tivals.htm

http://intotruth.org/news/Flash-archive4.html#man

We don't call our server, Brimstone for nothing you know!

Remember Hell loves Christians because You invented it!

But if you are looking for hell, it's not here.

We just pay alot of money to burn stuff

DJmoYst · Post by **DJmoYst** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:54 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:We just pay alot of money to burn stuff

To start this off with a little perspective... I am Christian i attend service regularly, and am strong in my faith.

So... After reading these articles it makes me question the intentions the religious right. Is it to banish all to hell and yell sinner at the top of there lungs, while the Catholic Church allows priests to molest and scare their own parish youth? In Jesus' words:

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

and... First, take the log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the little speck out of someone else's eye.

Can you tell me that these people are true Christians?

I can swear up and down that i can fly, but that all ends when i hit the ground.

People will claim to be something they are not. these people are not Christlike. And i will say that i am not either. How can anyone live up to that. But on the other hand i do model my life on what he taught and through the fundamentalism out the DAMN window.

rant ended...

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:00 am

While everyone's bagging Christians and Christianity just bare in mind that you're doing to them exactly what they do to you. You not only prove their point for them, but you show yourselves to be no better than them.

Just a thought.

P.S. Where's John Morehead gone??

MikeVDS · Post by **MikeVDS** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:53 am

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

and... First, take the log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the little speck out of someone else's eye.

Can you tell me that these people are true Christians?

Ironic that you use two bible quotes saying you shouldn't judge people, then the very next thing you do is judge people?

dana · Post by **dana** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:19 am

MikeVDS wrote:
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

and... First, take the log out of your own eye, then you will see clearly to take the little speck out of someone else's eye.

Can you tell me that these people are true Christians?
Ironic that you use two bible quotes saying you shouldn't judge people, then the very next thing you do is judge people?

You have to make a distinction between judgement and discernment. Its hard to get by without discernment, but judgement tends to try to fix something in place permanently (good, bad, stupid, ignorant, asshole, sinner, etc.) That does seem to be one of JC's teachings (and Buddha, etc.) - to have compassion and understanding. One says the situation will always be that way, and the other leaves more room for change.

Its actually one of the many contradictory portions of the bible. Certainly a boatload of judgement and condemnation going on in those pages.

dana · Post by **dana** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:37 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:So what is Christianity's perspective on Burningman:

http://www.worthynews.com/news-features ... g-man.html

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/BurningMan.html

This one has cool background music:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... tivals.htm

http://intotruth.org/news/Flash-archive4.html#man

We don't call our server, Brimstone for nothing you know!

Remember Hell loves Christians because You invented it!

But if you are looking for hell, it's not here.

We just pay alot of money to burn stuff

Oh sure!!!
And this from one of the biggest satanists of them all! He even calls himself Zeus!
Idolators!!

(OK, maybe I'm just pissed because I missed all of the cool scenes that were described in those articles.)

Teo del Fuego · Post by **Teo del Fuego** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:13 am

can we stop wasting bandwidth on this truly innane discussion?

Archantael · Post by **Archantael** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:19 am

Teo del Fuego wrote:can we stop wasting bandwidth on this truly innane discussion?

No. It's not dead yet. And then even when it is in 3 days it will supernaturally come back to life.....you know how it goes.

DJmoYst · Post by **DJmoYst** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:50 am

Me2 wrote:While everyone's bagging Christians and Christianity just bare in mind that you're doing to them exactly what they do to you. You not only prove their point for them, but you show yourselves to be no better than them,

This second the true agenda of those who yell and scream about how the other side is so F'ing horrible. these people want to be pissed at something or someone.

MikeVDS wrote:Ironic that you use two bible quotes saying you shouldn't judge people, then the very next thing you do is judge people?

Did you read what i wrote?

kilngod · Post by **kilngod** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:52 pm

Burning Man is a bigass version of the "loaves and fishes" story. Just think lime jello shots -- two Sacraments in one. (I'll burn for that.) Irreverence is best.

Nice nice very nice.

Kilngod

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:47 pm

dana wrote:
Oh sure!!!
And this from one of the biggest satanists of them all! He even calls himself Zeus!
Idolators!!

Satanist! you say that because you read it in one of those links.

I am not a Satanist but a Seitanist!

If I a satanist then Harry Potter is the Devil:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... _devil.htm

The cool music proves it too!

Me2, I like your avatar. Reminds me of Tim Burton's, "Corpse Bride"

What kind of a fallen angel are you?

Here I will test your faith in God!

Look at my avatar for 30 seconds!

What does it make you feel?

if you feel like mustard on a hot dog: then you will find your anwser in the movie, "The Simpsons"

Go soon your future will be revealed!

Me2 · Post by **Me2** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:38 am

At first your avatar made me laugh, now it just kinda grosses me out...and yes I read the story behind it...freaky.

What kind of fallen angel am I?.....not the kind you'd notice straight away, but once noticed.....

dana · Post by **dana** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:30 am

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:

If I a satanist then Harry Potter is the Devil:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20 ... _devil.htm

Potter isn't the Devil, only one of his minions.

Get thee behind me AZ!!

Glittering Clitoris · Post by **Glittering Clitoris** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:48 am

Me2 wrote:At first your avatar made me laugh, now it just kinda grosses me out...and yes I read the story behind it...freaky.

What kind of fallen angel am I?.....not the kind you'd notice straight away, but once noticed.....

Yes having sex with Homer can gross you out, but honey almost every husband becomes a homer of sorts at least in the pot belly. I swear my ex really was Homer.

if angels must fall, its always good to find a soft spot like a homer to fall on.

Zeus doesn't follow anyone.

He LEADS!

dana · Post by **dana** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:52 am

D'oh!!!

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:50 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:So what is Christianity's perspective on Burningman:

I'm a Christian. That's not my perspective.

Rocket75377 · Post by **Rocket75377** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 4:59 pm

HughMungus wrote:
Apollonaris Zeus wrote:So what is Christianity's perspective on Burningman:
I'm a Christian. That's not my perspective.

You're a Christian, not Christianity. I'm a baptised, born and raised catholic, myself. Don't get me wrong, I still think you're awesome (until you give me a reason not to, but that's the other side of the waffle).

I spent 7 1/2 years in a catholic elementary school (and was expelled on questionable grounds by a priest who had no real administrative authority in the school, was removed from the diocese, and has since renounced his faith) and four years in a catholic high school where my favorite subject was Catholic apologetics. Looking back on my education and watching my little sister (upcoming senior) follow the same path, I can honestly say I believe that the foundation of the catholic church is pure indoctrination and radical exclusion of non-catholic ideals.

My mentor and friend since 1999 has been my old religion teacher who was just ordained as a deacon. We often meet for lunch and debate and discuss catholic precepts. Now, I can't speek for the rest of Christianity, but the word, the law, the final say of the catholic church is contained in the Catechism. Any questions about the catholic faith can be found there. You can find it online, here:

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

It's an invaluable tool for catholic debate (or debating a catholic). Still, when you show the debatee the book, the passage, the paragraph, the section in the front that says this "is canon law," you'd be amazed how many will still tell you you're wrong.

As a sidenote, one of my favorite parts is the sex section. The catholic church allows you almost total freedom in the bedroom (or anywhere else) as long as it doesn't violate one of the ten commandments or endanger the woman's health, and ends with ejaculation inside the vagina.

Apollonaris Zeus · Post by **Apollonaris Zeus** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:04 pm

Rocket75377 wrote: I can honestly say I believe that the foundation of the catholic church is pure indoctrination and radical exclusion of non-catholic ideals.

As a sidenote, one of my favorite parts is the sex section. The catholic church allows you almost total freedom in the bedroom (or anywhere else) as long as it doesn't violate one of the ten commandments or endanger the woman's health, and ends with ejaculation inside the vagina.

To the first paragraph: that seems to be a part of all religions. As an Hellenist, I don't agree with it. I do not and others like me believe that our religion shouldn't be pushed on the child.

As far as total freedom of sexual activities, I don't agree that the church is free at all and is highly restrictive: first you have to be married. Masterbation is prohibited: ejaculation is medically proven to be a very healthy practise for male organ function including reducing infections: ie. blueballs.

and you can't take your toys with you into bed:

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2007 ... 666726.txt

This woman would be a great worshiper of Dionysus- God of wine and pleasure: including self pleasure. When I first was introduced to the altars of woman that worship this god, I was shocked at first seeing dildoes on them. Nothing like the altars of Judeo/ christian altars I've known. Now they look very natural as our libido.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/d/dionysus.html

I believe that BM is the reincarnation of the Festival of Dionysus: an event lasting a week at its height. It including dancing, music of course, the arts, inducements of mind altering drugs, wine and food. women had secret rites and gatherings, men had sports activities. performances of spoken word and plays. Oh yes, with alot of sexual interaction.

Yep, that's BM alright!

AIIZ