I'm BACK!! and I have good news!!

[Johnny_wishbone]

What the hell was that?!!

I see the forums have changed. It’s been a long time.
For those who have wondered what the hell happened and those who do no know (or care).
Allow me to sum up.
My name is Justin la Plante.
www.livejournal.com/users/fulcrum9
I pride myself as a starving multimedia artist.
In 2003 I was working on a kick ass tour that came through San Fran and I got to meat maid Marian (that rymes, cool)
The company that hired me (World Music Inc.) took me and 15 Guinean natives (native African musicians) and across this great US of A and into Canada on a fun filled adventure for three months.
Then they ripped off all my footage and artwork and sent the 15 Guineans and myself A’ packin’ back home, unpaid, in debt and homeless.
Took me this entire last year just to recover and the debt from not being paid from a $10,000.00 contract landed me in jail and labeled as an unfit father for missing child support payments.
My passport is still suspended.
The Guineans didn’t do much better.
The good news it that after I was able to recover and my daughter is doing fine now.
Before the world music debacle I had wanted to bring an interesting new camp idea to Burning Man that year. Once the funding was gone though it went straight down the toilet.

After getting back on my feet I decided to do my civic duty this election cycle and volunteer at the local Democratic HQ in Fond du Lac, WI (where I now live).
WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT.

During my time working with the HQ I started to research This rash of republican Nazi Youth groups and propaganda machines that were burning up the Internet before the elections.
Examples:
www.protestwarrior.com
www.freerepublic.com

Then I noticed this really stupid movie being made by this hack of a filmmaker in Minnesota.
www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com
Then I noticed that the film's producer was none other then Brian Cartmell.
"Who is Brian Cartmell?" You ask.
http://www.kanoodle.com/algo_archive.co ... 5547266915
Read the one about how Dolphins deserve to die in fishing (he uses a picture of a dolphin in a fishing net) nets or the one about how he thinks we should use nukes in Iraq.
I know those are MY favorite.
Then I found this page about Brian and all that he has done in his career.
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml? ... ._Cartmell
Great stuff eh?
And yes this part of the article ‘Brian Cartmell's lawsuit against Justin La Plante’, IS about me.
Which brings us to today and why I have been so fucking busy.
I’m in a civil rights lawsuit with a millionaire Bush supporter from hell.
Lucky me eh?

The case has gone down hill for Cartmell and things look better and better on that front with each and every passing day.

Then Bush won the election.
This Dem HQ went from a booming and active playground of the outspoken masses to a ghost town where only myself and the few others with enough pride left to show our faces were left to clean up and move everything out.
I still have two more days of cleaning to go and it is not fun to clean up a Democratic HQ with the die hard Democrats after an election cycle where the republicans have taken over EVERY BRANCH OF GOVORNMENT IN ONE NIGHT.
At first I was a bit irritated myself. The Democratic Party is now in shambles and considering serious face changes. Something I seriously think will not help the current situation at all.

BUT then and NOW I have grouped together the fruits of a year’s worth of political and legal research and discovery and I believe I may have some solutions to our problems.
Because I am not giving up.
I don’t think any of you should either.
In fact I think that THIS IS THE TIME when we really need to show this country that freedom IS FREE and we ARE NOT ruled by a majority that was too afraid to vote with an open mind.

THERE IS A SUMMIT COMING!!!
A meeting of the minds, a flocking of the foul and a gathering of ideas for a better America through a MASSIVE passive resistance effort. (I’m on a roll with the rhyme scheme)
If you have an LJ, hit up mine, if you use an IM, hit up beatnic411 on AOL or Fulcrum92003 on Yahoo, the Forum on colitisscope.com is brand new and if you join NOW you can win a free "shit up bitch" or "Don’t blame me, I voted for Kerry" T-shirt.
www.colitisscope.com
You can also join this meet up group:
http://michaelmoore.meetup.com/319/

This resistance effort will be MASSIVE and well heard by all.
We just need help in building the proper message.

Free America Network
"Are you a FAN?"

[Badger]

This resistance effort will be MASSIVE and well heard by all.
We just need help in building the proper message.

Well, first off you might bridle your use of the word 'nazi.' According to Godwin's Law this thread is dead before it could get out of the bed.

[Alpha]

sorry Badger, you lose, too. From wikipedia (emphasis mine):

There is a tradition in many Usenet newsgroups that once such a comparison is made, the thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. In addition, whoever points out that Godwin's Law applies to the thread is also considered to have "lost" the battle, as it is considered poor form to invoke the law explicitly. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. Many people understand Godwin's Law to mean this, although (as is clear from the statement of the law above) this is not the original formulation.

[Johnny_wishbone]

This resistance effort will be MASSIVE and well heard by all.
We just need help in building the proper message.

Well, first off you might bridle your use of the word 'nazi.' According to Godwin's Law this thread is dead before it could get out of the bed.

I noticed that there were PW trollers already here.
You should consider the differece between your idea of "protests" and things that the Nazi party did 70 years ago.
Like Calling people, YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS, "islamo-fascist sympathizers" or allowing people on your Protest Warrior MB to use handles like "Kill-islam" and "deathto-islam".

If you don't want to be branded a Nazi then DON'T ACT LIE ONE.

[ronski]

Badger is a Protest Warrior Troll?????
I'm DYING here. The coffee is running out of nose, I'm laughing so hard.
This is the Bizarro World, right?

[geekster]

MASSIVE resistance to what? I could understand some MASSIVE resistance or at least some bitterness after the 2000 election but this time it just seems like the Democratic party lost, fair and square. Not to say people don't have strong feelings on the issue, I can understand that many worked very hard and are seriously disappointed at the outcome and I offer my sincere gratitude for their participation in getting their message out there.

But the point is that the election is over and the kind of behavior you seem to be advocating might make things worse for you in future elections. Now you are in Wisconsin. You did a good job there. Your party won the presidential race in your state. In the house races, you held the line. Nice job. You should be happy.

The problem is that what I am hearing a lot of is a lack of an ability to lose with grace. If you get too radical in your reaction to the loss, you might stand a chance of losing some of the crossover voters, might lose new voters who might not want to be seen as, well, radical, and you might cause some of your party's more moderate voters to cross to the other side.

I think anyone could respect an attitude of "we lost this one, but we aren't going to stop working on getting our message out and working for the future". That shows true conviction. Getting so radical that you appear to refuse to accept the reality of what has happened and spouting off extreme half-truths and calling names and waiving arms and foaming at the mouth might make you feel better but it may not do much to further your cause. It will play very well with your core support base ... but those aren't the people you need to reach. You need to reach the people that DIDN'T vote for you and get them to. Seriously, that is one of the major problems so far with the Democratic Party that I see. They spend a LOT of time preaching to the choir. Fine, but you need to be out on the street getting passersby into the meeting first. Yelling and hollering and calling names probably isn't going get them to listen to you. Maybe they voted for Bush ... maybe they are a Democrat. You start calling people that voted for Bush names and maybe they aren't going to listen to a word you have to say from that point on.

I wish you all the best success. Just be careful, don't go alienating the very people you need to reach.

[Simply Joel]

j-wishbone, i can only hope the good news will be that of your departure from the e-playa just as quickly as you returned.

[sparkletarte]

Hmmm, you know, I work with a German, and he's been saying for the last year or so that the control methods of the US government are remarkably similar to the stuff that Hilter was doing. Just saying.

[Simply Joel]

Hmmm, you know, I work with a German, and he's been saying for the last year or so that the control methods of the US government are remarkably similar to the stuff that Hilter was doing. Just saying.

will this nonsense never end!

[sparkletarte]

No it won't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rian Jackson]

Hmmm, you know, I work with a German, and he's been saying for the last year or so that the control methods of the US government are remarkably similar to the stuff that Hilter was doing. Just saying.

will this nonsense never end!

i have also heard this from people who lived through the holocaust.
it doesn't mean we're having another, but i'd rather not discount their experiences.

[geekster]

Hmmm, you know, I work with a German, and he's been saying for the last year or so that the control methods of the US government are remarkably similar to the stuff that Hilter was doing. Just saying.

Can you elaborate on these mysterious "control methods"?

[geekster]

Oh, nevermind, I remember all my muslim neighbors being rounded up now and their homes being burned and their being herded into railroad cars and thrown into ovens in New Mexico. I had forgotten for a moment, thanks for jogging me memory. Sheesh.

[Rian Jackson]

have you ever taken the time to speak tot he large numbers of predominantly arab and muslim immigrants who have ended up in INS jails with the sweeps of the last few years?

do you have any clue how bad the conditions are? food and sanitation so atrocious that people have nearly died.

and yes, it's cause they're arab/muslim.

and actually, hate crimes against arabs and muslims - death threats, vandalism, assaults - have skyrocketed according to the communities. i don't know the official stats.

take to Hate Free Zone, for one, if you want the lowdown....

when the lists that i'm on that include large percentages of arabs have to periodically send out the 'what to do if the FBI shows up at your door' instructions, there's something wrong.

[Simply Joel]

gee, i recall a couple of airliners loaded with innocent people being flown into the World Trade Center full of about 3000 to 5000 innocent people in them...

i'd say the moderate muslims need to control their radical brothers... very much like moderates in this country keep the parties from swinging too far left or right into violence... but hey, we all have different perspectives on the world.

[Rian Jackson]

gee, i recall a couple of airliners loaded with innocent people being flown into the World Trade Center full of about 3000 to 5000 innocent people in them...

i'd say the moderate muslims need to control their radical brothers... very much like moderates in this country keep the parties from swinging too far left or right into violence... but hey, we all have different perspectives on the world.

for someone who believes that people should control THEMSELVES (as you stated in another thread) you sure do make demands on people to control people of the same religion who live thousands of miles away.

jesus, joel, i KNOW you have an excellent brain. use it.

the kind of thing that you stated above really gets my 'racist bullshit' light blinking

[Simply Joel]

in the absence of self-control, external controls require application... it is the whole "rights of the individual versus rights of the group" argument.

racist, nope, not me... and i have a career of helping everyone of any race, creed, color or age in the military and pretty good documentation to prove it.

[Q_]

gee, i recall a couple of airliners loaded with innocent people being flown into the World Trade Center full of about 3000 to 5000 innocent people in them...

i'd say the moderate muslims need to control their radical brothers... very much like moderates in this country keep the parties from swinging too far left or right into violence... but hey, we all have different perspectives on the world.

I also seem to recall a crazy white dude from Michigan blowing up a Federal building. I think that you should be held responsible for the actions of your white brothers and you should get a hold of them.

It is NOT the responsiblity of a race / religion to "Control" people that happen to be members.

It is always different when someone non-white commits a crime against the US.

[Q_]

racist, nope, not me... and i have a career of helping everyone of any race, creed, color or age in the military and pretty good documentation to prove it.

If you have to have documentation, it is kind of shady....

[Rian Jackson]

well Joel, much as i like you your words aren't matching up.

you do realise that by your 'logic' here, all Americans deserve to die for what we've done to other people, don't you?

i'm really not one to call names. but i call it how i see it.

your assuming that because the people of whom i saw speaking earlier are of the same broad ethnic category and belong to the same enormous religion, they are therefore the same as the people who flew those planes. how are they meant to influence these people? what makes you think they've met them?

by your logic, you should have personally stopped the solders at Abu Ghraib, for instance. also, because you're white and american, you shouls have been punished for every time that a black man woman or child was lynched in this country.

doesn't feel quite so cosy when you turn it around, does it.

seriously Joel. go get a beer. come back on Monday. without the bullshit.

[Simply Joel]

racist, nope, not me... and i have a career of helping everyone of any race, creed, color or age in the military and pretty good documentation to prove it.

If you have to have documentation, it is kind of shady....

shady? i have a career and training in HREO and the documenting my schools, training and experience is shady because you say so?

"plonk"

[blyslv]

Can you elaborate on these mysterious "control methods"?

Start here:

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-propaganda.html

The unending mantra of WMD in Iraq, collussion with al-Queda are two examples.

The color alert system is anopther example.

The doublethink "you are safer" ... "they will strike again" is yet anotehr example.

[Simply Joel]

gee, i recall a couple of airliners loaded with innocent people being flown into the World Trade Center full of about 3000 to 5000 innocent people in them...

i'd say the moderate muslims need to control their radical brothers... very much like moderates in this country keep the parties from swinging too far left or right into violence... but hey, we all have different perspectives on the world.

I also seem to recall a crazy white dude from Michigan blowing up a Federal building. I think that you should be held responsible for the actions of your white brothers and you should get a hold of them.

It is NOT the responsiblity of a race / religion to "Control" people that happen to be members.

It is always different when someone non-white commits a crime against the US.

from your perspective it is different.

didn't that young man receive the death penalty with all the legal protections ensured by the constitution?

[Q_]

racist, nope, not me... and i have a career of helping everyone of any race, creed, color or age in the military and pretty good documentation to prove it.

If you have to have documentation, it is kind of shady....

shady? i have a career and training in HREO and the documenting my schools, training and experience is shady because you say so?

"plonk"

The whole "I am not racist" look at my documentation (ask my mommy) is a ridiculous argument.

[blyslv]

Oh, nevermind, I remember all my muslim neighbors being rounded up now and their homes being burned and their being herded into railroad cars and thrown into ovens in New Mexico. I had forgotten for a moment, thanks for jogging me memory. Sheesh.

That stuff came much later. first Hitler had to consolidate power, after being elected by a fearful populace. Try taking a longer view.

[Simply Joel]

well Joel, much as i like you your words aren't matching up.

you do realise that by your 'logic' here, all Americans deserve to die for what we've done to other people, don't you?

i'm really not one to call names. but i call it how i see it.

your assuming that because the people of whom i saw speaking earlier are of the same broad ethnic category and belong to the same enormous religion, they are therefore the same as the people who flew those planes. how are they meant to influence these people? what makes you think they've met them?

by your logic, you should have personally stopped the solders at Abu Ghraib, for instance. also, because you're white and american, you shouls have been punished for every time that a black man woman or child was lynched in this country.

doesn't feel quite so cosy when you turn it around, does it.

seriously Joel. go get a beer. come back on Monday. without the bullshit.

and you don't call your posts punishment?

from my perspective, they seem to be.

[blyslv]

have you ever taken the time to speak tot he large numbers of predominantly arab and muslim immigrants who have ended up in INS jails with the sweeps of the last few years?

.

In Santa Fe NM about 18 months ago many men of middle eastern descent WERE arrested. My neighbors, from Trinidad were visibly shaken.

Yes, the crackdown has begun, and it will get worse before it gets better.

[Q_]

from your perspective it is different.

didn't that young man receive the death penalty with all the legal protections ensured by the constitution?

You are right, he did receive every protection under the consitution. But now we have this great little law called the PATRIOT act which allows us to bypass the constitution is we think that someone is an Arab, opps I mean terrorist...

[blyslv]

gee, i recall a couple of airliners loaded with innocent people being flown into the World Trade Center full of about 3000 to 5000 innocent people in them...

i'd say the moderate muslims need to control their radical brothers... very much like moderates in this country keep the parties from swinging too far left or right into violence... but hey, we all have different perspectives on the world.

So, how many innocent people do we get to kill in retaliation? Seriously, is it an "eye for an eye"? That works in Suadi Arabia, why not brand it with an American flavor and export it? That will justify the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqs that have been killed by American bombs, as well as by the insurgents (people who would not exist in Iraq if we had not invaded BTW).

And if the moderates can't "control" their radical brethern (a statement that is breathtakingly naive and simplistic) we should kill them as well I suppose.

[Simply Joel]

your example is anecdotal.

Main Entry: an·ec·dot·al
Pronunciation: "a-nik-'dO-t&l
Function: adjective
1 a : of, relating to, or consisting of anecdotes <an anecdotal biography> b : ANECDOTIC 2 <my anecdotal uncle>
2 : based on or consisting of reports or observations of usually unscientific observers <anecdotal evidence>
3 : of, relating to, or being the depiction of a scene suggesting a story <anecdotal painting> <anecdotal detail>
- an·ec·dot·al·ly /-t&l-E/ adverb