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Post by AntiM » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:22 am

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I'm looking forward to a trip to Utah to see friends and experience dry powder. Fuck yes!
Remarkably, some ski resorts are already opening here!!! And yes, Utah powder is very different; the Great Salt Lake sucks the moisture out before the fluffy stuff falls on the mountains. I know this and I don't ski.

If you get up to fucking Ogden, come visit for a bit ... I have a nice big crash-in sized living room in the basement. LNT of course.


Oh, and the Utah Solstice Burn is being held around the 17th of December I believe. Fucking good little evening of fire if you're in town.

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Post by bullD » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:47 am

AntiM wrote:BulD wrote:
I'm looking forward to a trip to Utah to see friends and experience dry powder. Fuck yes!
Remarkably, some ski resorts are already opening here!!! And yes, Utah powder is very different; the Great Salt Lake sucks the moisture out before the fluffy stuff falls on the mountains. I know this and I don't ski.

If you get up to fucking Ogden, come visit for a bit ... I have a nice big crash-in sized living room in the basement. LNT of course.


Oh, and the Utah Solstice Burn is being held around the 17th of December I believe. Fucking good little evening of fire if you're in town.
Fucking great!!! Solstice burn,,, that is a real possibility. How far from Salt Lake is Ogden?

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Post by Simply Joel » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:52 am

back from the fucking dead, man i wish i could sleep the night through

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Post by bullD » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:19 am

Simply Joel wrote:back from the fucking dead, man i wish i could sleep the night through
I know this is wrong but, when I am wound up and absolutely have to sleep, I have a shot of Nyquil. Makes me sleep like a fucking baby...

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Post by Simply Joel » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:24 am

bullD wrote:
Simply Joel wrote:back from the fucking dead, man i wish i could sleep the night through
I know this is wrong but, when I am wound up and absolutely have to sleep, I have a shot of Nyquil. Makes me sleep like a fucking baby...
i appreciate the advice and thought, i really do.

yet, if i sleep too sounding, the dogs won't be able to wake me when they must do their doo-doo business... and it (doo-doo) will hit the floor then the fan when i wake up.

fuck, gotta love 'em 'cause there are no Koreans around to eat them.
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Post by Simply Joel » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:30 am

soundly, not sounding

i want the fucking edit function, please.
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Post by Alpha » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:30 pm

I think I'd be pretty fuckin' pissed if I were Korean.

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Post by bullD » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:35 pm

Fucking relax, slapstick humor not to be taken seriously no matter how much truth involved.

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Post by Simply Joel » Sun Nov 07, 2004 2:52 pm

Alpha wrote:I think I'd be pretty fuckin' pissed if I were Korean.
In Korea, man's best friend is also a controversial meal

By Jeremy Kirk, Stars and Stripes
Stripes Sunday magazine, March 31, 2002

Dogs await buyers at a Korean food market. Many Koreans believe the low-fat, protein-rich dog meat can help patients recover from surgery and help stimulate the sex drive.

In the Moran Market in southeast Seoul, a warm, wet animal smell drifts among the cages crammed with clucking chickens, quacking ducks and bleating geese.

But the market is known for its most controversial product — dog meat.

The dogs are docile, hardly uttering a peep, staring between thick steel bars. They are confined together, about eight to 10 to a 25-square-foot cage.

Soon, these dogs may be mixed with garlic, onions and a blend of hot spices for poshen-tang, or dog meat stew.

Koreans love dogs as pets. And some love to eat them, too.

The country, which currently is in the international spotlight as it prepares to co-host the World Cup soccer tournament this June, has come under much scrutiny for its canine cravings. Comedian Jay Leno recently poked fun at the practice, and French actress Brigitte Bardot has lambasted the country.

In South Korea, a country with fierce nationalistic pride, the debate over dog meat goes to the core of its traditions, where its culture clashes with the West.

"When you go to France, you know they have frog legs?" said 60-year-old Kim Yong-kil. "I don’t like it. It makes me feel sick, but they [the French] think it’s good. Here I eat dog, and they say ‘no good.’ They never understand our custom."

Pro-dog eaters say the practice goes back hundreds of years. Opponents accuse dog merchants of inflating false claims of virility and increased strength from eating dog meat.

Many Koreans and Americans want no part of it.

"I would refuse to eat dog meat," said John McSweeney, a civilian who has worked in Korea for five years. "I’ve had dogs in the family so they sort of become part of my life. I enjoy dogs. I don’t like to eat them."

Kim Hye-yong, a 48-year-old civilian employee, said she tried the meat once, but saw dogs in the Moran Market and won’t eat them now.

"I couldn’t figure out why people like it so much," she said. "There was nothing special about it."

The debate is not likely to end soon. The National Assembly, Korea’s legislative body, has considered a bill to classify dogs as livestock, to make it a more regulated industry like beef cattle.

Under the bill, the government could better control the conditions in which the dogs are kept.

Dogs fall under Korea’s Animal Welfare Act but they do not fall under livestock slaughter regulations, said an official with the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry, who requested anonymity.

"We have no plans to block or prohibit the dog meat, and also we don’t have any plan to push the consumption of dog meat," the official said. "At the moment, we just watch the matter."

Eating dog meat was banned in South Korea around the 1988 Olympics, but the law isn’t enforced. Dog meat restaurants flourish in the back alleys of Seoul, with customers paying between $4 to $7 for steamed dog or dog soup.

The practice is mired in male machismo. Women rarely eat dog meat; the most frequent customers are older males.

Office workers pool money and go to the dog meat restaurants occasionally in a male-bonding ritual that includes soju drinking, Korea’s potent traditional rice wine.

Many Koreans believe dog meat helps patients recover from surgery, a belief promulgated by doctors who advise patients to ingest the low-fat, protein-rich meat. Dog meat is also thought to stimulate the sex drive.

Restaurant patrons need not worry: The fear of accidentally nipping man’s best friend at a Korean restaurant is rare.

Dog meat restaurants are not common. The entrée must be sought out, and is expensive compared to beef or pork. Korean restaurants would not serve it by mistake because of the stigma.

Many Koreans become wary when asked if they eat dog. The international criticism has affected their consciences, but hasn’t stopped them from posing relatively logical defenses, such as pointing out that Europeans eating horse.

The practice might make mores sense if Koreans were not such fervent pet lovers. Everywhere in Seoul, lively furry friends abound, with doggy eyes beaming under owners’ arms and poking from backpacks and coats.

Koreans say dogs raised for food are different than dogs raised as pets. At Moran Market, most dogs raised for food are a yellowish, sturdy breed that resembles a small husky.

"That meat is food, not a pet," said Park Nam-chol, a 46-year-old base worker. "A pet is totally different. It [the meat] is like a horse, like a pig."

Dogs are pulled from their cages by their necks with long poles with nooses on the end. The dogs writhe and whine while they are either electrocuted or strangled. The other dogs cry together, hair standing on end.

Sometimes dogs are beaten in the belief that it enhances the meat flavor. Their hair is often blowtorched away because people enjoy the cooked skin.

Because of the recent controversy, foreign visitors — especially journalists asking questions — are shunned. One vendor at Moran Market slapped away a camera while shouting expletives, while others made it clear no pictures were to be taken of caged dogs.

Kyenan Kum, who founded the Korea Animal Protection Society, said the Korean government has little interest in the welfare of animals. The dog industry is about money, she said.

"These people don’t care," Kum said in a telephone interview from Oakland, Calif. "They are indifferent. To me, all dogs are the same."

Kum has picketed Korean embassies in other countries to protest its animal policies. Kum said she worked for the Ministry of Agriculture and Forestry in the early 1990s, educating the Korean public about humane animal treatment.

Others, such as Ann Young-geun, are openly advocating dog eating despite the world criticism. Ann, a professor at Chungcheong College in Chongju who has a Web site with doggy recipes, has been dubbed "Dr. Dogmeat."

Ann said reports of dogs being beaten before death are false.

"They would have to pay someone to do that," Ann said.

He said he has embarked on the dog meat propaganda campaign because he believes the meat is good for health. He added that he doesn’t want to see the government hassle dog meat restaurateurs.

"Americans look at their country as being culturally superior and look down on Koreans," Ann said. "They are raising discrimination."

Miri Kiehm, who works for the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, said she remembers eating dog soup in elementary school with her siblings and enjoying it. Her father, 76-year-old Kim Sung-il, came south from Hamhung, North Korea, during the Korean War.

Her father likes a plain dog soup with few vegetables, North Korean style. But Kiehm said she doesn’t eat it anymore.

"When I was little my mother said she gave me the dog," Kiehm said. "We said ‘It’s so good, give some more.’ But after I grew up it’s hard to try because we have a pet dog. We had a German shepherd. Somehow I couldn’t eat."

Her husband, Bob, remembers seeing dog carcasses, skulls and fangs when he first came to Korea in 1977. Since then he has acquired a love for the "gamy" taste, he said.

"In essence, you are saying dog is man’s best friend in more ways than one," said the 60-year-old government employee.
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Post by bullD » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:08 pm

Fuck, I would try it, if I were in Korea.

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Post by samtzu » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:08 pm

Well... I've had dog meat... didn't know it at the time... but it was a hell of a lot better than anything the US Army served me in the mess halls. It is very low in fat, and is a good source of animal protein, which really is important for patients who are healing from surgury.

Having said that, I wouldn't eat a dog I know, although I have met a few that I thought could be improved with a white wine sauce. But I feel the same way about pigs. Pigs are much smarter than dogs, can be just a loyal, and would make great pets, if it wasn't for that size thing. I couldn't eat a pig I know, but I have no problem getting pork out of the market.

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Post by samtzu » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:09 pm

Oh, and "Fuck"... sorry.
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Post by cowboyangel » Sun Nov 07, 2004 5:42 pm

Fuck Lydia I never dreamed that the fuck thread would be overtaken by the bar thread...guess folks are more interested in booze than fucking around??

of course we can do both in the bar thread....klingon spying????
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Post by Lydia Love » Sun Nov 07, 2004 6:02 pm

Hey, I see it as a good thing that people are more interested in being social than venting their fucking ire.

Fuck is still the first Fucking thread I read, though.

<fucking non sequitor>

I had a pretty good fucking weekend. Why the fucking hell do I have the blues now?

I fucking despise Sunday evenings. The fun dribbles to a halt and my general emotional fuckedness catches up with me.

fuck.
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Post by buckethead alien » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:04 pm

phrase of the day: poshen-tang

(Thanks, joel. I'll have this running around in my fucking brain for weeks.)

The funny thing for me is that I am really seriously allergic to red meat, as well as to dairy and some fish eggs, and I have wondered whether I'd also have an anaphylactic reaction to dog or rabbit or whale or some of the other trippy meats people eat. Odd thing is that oral sex is no problem, so does that mean that if I am stuck on the ice pack one day and have to draw straws to see which member of the crew gets eaten, I'll be alright? Let's hope I never have to find out. Pass the soy burger, please.

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Post by Alpha » Sun Nov 07, 2004 7:14 pm

Hmm, for me this falls into a judgement call about social norms (whether or not eating dogs is okay) and I don't want to go there, because what I really meant by my comment was that your statement, Joel, could be easily interpreted as a racial epithet. I know you're a decent guy and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but I'm afraid others might.

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Post by sparkletarte » Sun Nov 07, 2004 8:16 pm

OKay, I'm just going to ignore all the dog stuff.

Well I finally did not get my house today. We asked for an extension on the financial subject because we were having some problems due to a couple issues with the house and property. Instead, today they accepted an unconditional offer. I'm fucking pissed at the listing agent- he could have at least had the courtesy to call to see if we could match it. I know we could have seeing as we'll be hearing from our mortgage tomorrow, and over the weekend we managed to accumulate an extra couple thou so we could do the 15% down payment that they wanted.

Fucking pissed with that listing agent. Will be calling him tomorrow to thank him for the lack of support.

Also had a fight with the boyfriend because this brought up a lot of other shit. Fuck. Feeling pretty fucking sour and bitter, let me tell you.

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Post by tonytohono » Sun Nov 07, 2004 10:10 pm

Lydia Love wrote:The fun dribbles to a halt and my general emotional fuckedness catches up with me.

fuck.
I dream of the 7 days I can outrun my own general emotional fuckedness, roughly 51 weeks a year.

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Post by AntiM » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:18 am

Fuck it is fucking windy outside, means I'll lose fucking power at some point today. Fun to watch the masses of leaves blowing aound and my cat desperately trying to catch them through the closed windows. My big fucking maple tree has dropped most of its leaves, only three days after my fucking friend came over and mowed what leaves had already fallen; she'll be crushed when she sees the ankle-deepness of the fuckers now.

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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:56 am

Alpha wrote:Hmm, for me this falls into a judgement call about social norms (whether or not eating dogs is okay) and I don't want to go there, because what I really meant by my comment was that your statement, Joel, could be easily interpreted as a racial epithet. I know you're a decent guy and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but I'm afraid others might.
i knew exactly what you meant... nope, it wasn't intended that way... yet it does illustrate how one must choose the observations they want to make as well as the audience they are making it too.

just a little lesson for everyone...

by the way, if it walks, crawls, flys or swims... i imagine if hungry enough, whatever it is can be tasty (with enough catsup) now, see, here is an example of where midwesterners could feel slighted by me implying that catsup is their favorite condiment with everything.
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Post by bullD » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:59 am

Bring on the fucking poochies smothered in catsup!!!

he he he :lol:

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Post by Simply Joel » Mon Nov 08, 2004 8:00 am

Simply Joel wrote:
Alpha wrote:Hmm, for me this falls into a judgement call about social norms (whether or not eating dogs is okay) and I don't want to go there, because what I really meant by my comment was that your statement, Joel, could be easily interpreted as a racial epithet. I know you're a decent guy and I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but I'm afraid others might.
i knew exactly what you meant... nope, it wasn't intended that way... yet it does illustrate how one must choose the observations they want to make as well as the audience they are making it too.

just a little lesson for everyone...

by the way, if it walks, crawls, flys or swims... i imagine if hungry enough, whatever it is can be tasty (with enough catsup) now, see, here is an example of where midwesterners could feel slighted by me implying that catsup is their favorite condiment with everything.
oh yeah, FIDO "fuck it, drive on"
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Post by theCryptofishist » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:44 pm

F*ck! I've had to run to the JotS 2 or 3 times in the past hour and I can't take Immodium because I'm on Flagyl! Now I'm scared to go home--it takes 45 minutes.




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Post by cowboyangel » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:53 pm

oh fishy that's terrible...better ask Rob for advice on this one.
(just kidding, best wishes to you!)
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Post by tonytohono » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:00 pm

Fuckity fuck fuck fuck...


This fucking place will drive you insane. I'm really not as big of an asshole as I think that I am.

I mean, really.

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Post by Alpha » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:06 pm

Well fuck, one tries to lighten the mood with something as innocuous as a caption contest and STILL one manages to offend someone. Excuse me while I go drink some wine and read a book...

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Post by Rob the Wop » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:13 pm

Alpha wrote:Well fuck, one tries to lighten the mood with something as innocuous as a caption contest and STILL one manages to offend someone. Excuse me while I go drink some wine and read a book...
My fucking god, you should drink single malt scotch while reading books! I am SO offended.
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Post by Zulegoona » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:29 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
Alpha wrote:Well fuck, one tries to lighten the mood with something as innocuous as a caption contest and STILL one manages to offend someone. Excuse me while I go drink some wine and read a book...
My fucking god, you should drink single malt scotch while reading books! I am SO offended.
Fuck I find your taking offence at some ones not drinking scotch while reading extremely offensive.

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Post by CoworkerLurker » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:03 pm

I think the way everybody is taking offense around here... I mean!... It's just fucking fine, really.

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Post by tonytohono » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:24 pm

I wish I could change my name... I think I'd change it to

UGLY_FUCKING_DUCKLING...

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