registering with a camp that provides all?

[SuperSammyC27]

Hi guys,
i'm new to all this. How do you find the various camps that provide food and water, and register with one?
many thanks
Sam

[some seeing eye]

Burningman tickets are in a shortage.

Camp provided water is very rare.

Articulate what makes you one of the few who will attend in relation to everyone who wants to - past accomplishments, special skills?

Contact every registered 2013 theme camp on the BM website and every camp seeking campers thread on ePlaya that you fit to.

Of course there is P$n$P.

One post on ePlaya, for this, work on redeeming yourself.

[trilobyte]

I'm giving this a nudge over to the Theme Camps board, since that's a better fit for this type of discussion. You may care to do a bit of reading, start with the How To Join A Camp thread.

[Dr. Pyro]

For $5000 I'll be your slave for the week.

[Dr Helix]

Ya don't ask for much do you Sam? You want everything but offer nothing. Yah they'll be lining up to put you in their camps.

[*Kat*]

just a troll...

[Dr. Pyro]

For $5000 I'll be your slave for the week.

Kat's right. Better make that $10,000.

[remi]

This is obviously a post on joining a pnp camp.. which, as uncool as it may be, it's the way a lot of people are choosing to experience burning man.

As Trilo mentioned, just check out the "How to join a theme camp" and look for ones that specifically mention "plug and play" or "turnkey" camping, however, this type of camping is, by many people, recognized as a lazy way avoid being radically self reliant.

Is there a reason why you're seeking a pnp camp? Lazy? Flying in? Handicap?

[Captain Goddammit]

Someone needs to start a theme camp registry and take in applications from all these no-load people. Then not show up and leave them high and dry.
Harsh lesson but maybe they will start covering their own asses.

[trilobyte]

Trying to see the best in people, I'll take SuperSammyC27 at face value... perhaps he/she really is new to all this, and has not yet done ANY of the required reading or research. It's entirely possible, they certainly wouldn't be the first.

Pointing out the REALLY REALLY OBVIOUS stuff that you SHOULD DEFINITELY HAVE ALREADY SEEN on things like the burningman.com home page or the signature line of my post....

Start with the FIRST TIMER'S GUIDE and the SURVIVAL GUIDE. They're both required reading for everyone, from complete newbies to old pros who know how to read and research things on the internet.

Now read the thread I linked to in my earlier post. You don't have to read every single post in it, just the first few will give you a pretty good idea of what's up.

As you may or may not have gathered by now, this event and its culture put a high value on doing things and figuring things out for yourself (one of the guiding principles is radical self reliance), and from some of the responses so far you can see there isn't a lot of love for people who are looking for some kind of all-inclusive vacation package. Good luck figuring out your burn!

[SuperSammyC27]

wow, what a nice spirit here

i was told there were camps that provide food and water by people i know who've been, that's all. They help out a few hours each day running the camp, and pay a little too.

thanks for the one or two helpful more kind replies

Ok, I could have stated my questions better, and done more research, my apologies. I am coming for the first time, I am alone, I do not have access to a car or van. I'm super excited about being part of this festival and want to find a way to join a camp where I can contribute in other ways or join a group going shopping. happy to give to the camp as much as possible.

"on the flip side, it could also be said that these camps are providing opportunities for some would-be Burners who wouldn’t otherwise have the ability to survive and thrive in the Black Rock Desert to experience Burning Man. Doesn’t that broaden radical inclusion?" - from the plug&play thread

[Joeln]

Well at least he/she has the spirit of snark figured out...

[unjonharley]

Wanting more plug and play is this persons way of burning..

The op didn't try to tell anyone how to burn there way.
Now different than the guy in the motor couch..They burn there way.

Or The Burner Express people.. They get burned before the playa.. Then simmer all week in a hot tent.. they burn there way

[tamarakay]

find regional groups in your area, start making friends!

[*Kat*]

I am coming for the first time, I am alone, I do not have access to a car or van. I'm super excited about being part of this festival and want to find a way to join a camp where I can contribute in other ways or join a group going shopping. happy to give to the camp as much as possible.

See, THAT sounds much better already!

So here are my 2 cents:

- You will have to bring everything that you need to sustain yourself - including food and water. You never know what happens out there. You ought not to put your own survival in somebody else's hands! Also this will give you the option of experiencing your own Burn without being at the mercy of somebody else.
- If you do not have access to a car/van, look into ride sharing and other options to get out there. Offer to cover your fair share of what it takes to get out there and back (rental costs, gas money, driving...)
- You should be specific about what you can/want to contribute. Why should a camp be excited to have you? Do you have any special skills/knowledge/etc.? Could you help with a camp's artwork/mutant vehicle/other construction prior to the Burn? Do you have any other special resources a camp might be able to benefit from?

[gaminwench]

re:plug and play ...
last year we met (and fed) several folks who were in an all-inclusive, well known PnP camp. When the gates were 'locked' on Friday/Saturday, the food supply chain was broken; since the PnP's vendors couldn't get in, the camp had no food.

moral: self reliance is key. Bring your own food/water/shelter.

[Ugly Dougly]

Taking the responsibility for someone else's survival is NOBODY'S idea of having fun.

[unjonharley]

I would not turn anyone who's system of survival broke down..

Like if the vendor could not come in the gate.. There is a mod on this board that would be happy to tell them how stupid they were.. That they had not read and retained every little bite shit dribble that the org had crapped out..

[EspressoDude]

re:plug and play ...
last year we met (and fed) several folks who were in an all-inclusive, well known PnP camp. When the gates were 'locked' on Friday/Saturday, the food supply chain was broken; since the PnP's vendors couldn't get in, the camp had no food.

moral: self reliance is key. Bring your own food/water/shelter.

Recall the Donner party 1846-1847, or "Alive" 1972 Andes plane crash.

[unjonharley]

re:plug and play ...
last year we met (and fed) several folks who were in an all-inclusive, well known PnP camp. When the gates were 'locked' on Friday/Saturday, the food supply chain was broken; since the PnP's vendors couldn't get in, the camp had no food.

moral: self reliance is key. Bring your own food/water/shelter.

Recall the Donner party 1846-1847, or "Alive" 1972 Andes plane crash.

You should always pack your own chute.. Re the Donner party.. It was found after the fact that some kegs were sugar labeled salt

[Captain Goddammit]

"on the flip side, it could also be said that these camps are providing opportunities for some would-be Burners who wouldn’t otherwise have the ability to survive and thrive in the Black Rock Desert to experience Burning Man. Doesn’t that broaden radical inclusion?" - from the plug&play thread

Absolutely not. That's sales bullshit from the P&P camp. If you haven't the ability to get yourself to Black Rock Desert and provide for yourself, you're NOT a burner. You're dead weight, a tourist at best.
OK I'm doing a lousy job of sugar coating it… but even if you disagree, it would be very prudent to listen to the most important piece of wisdom that's been given here so far: showing up in Black Rock Desert without your own supplies and depending on someone else to do it for you is extremely risky! We could start a whole thread about horror stories from people who have done that.

Will you die? No, you'll probably get by sponging off the kindness of well-prepared strangers… yay.

The harsh truth that some people need to hear is that Burning Man isn't cheap. It's also not a necessity. Going to a big party/art festival way out in the middle of nowhere is a luxury. If you can't swing the logistics of transportation and life support …. hey, DisneyLand isn't free either.

[SuperSammyC27]

I appreciate the feedback guys, both the slap in the face, and the advice. All duly noted. Thank you for the opportunity to confront the playa reality with still plenty of time to get my self prepared and think of how I can contribute, artistically, creatively, physically.
Though initial comments took me aback, i can also understand them based on the desire to protect the integrity and ethos of the community and my minimal easy-to-make-assumptions-on initial post.
Best wishes
Sam

[unjonharley]

I appreciate the feedback guys, both the slap in the face, and the advice. All duly noted. Thank you for the opportunity to confront the playa reality with still plenty of time to get my self prepared and think of how I can contribute, artistically, creatively, physically.
Though initial comments took me aback, i can also understand them based on the desire to protect the integrity and ethos of the community and my minimal easy-to-make-assumptions-on initial post.
Best wishes
Sam

Sam, You handled the crap very well.. See you in the dust.. Pack your own chute if you expect to make through undamaged....

[AntiM]

Sammy, I think you're going to do just fine!

[Eric]

Sammy, I think you're going to do just fine!

Ditto.
Don't worry so much on how to contribute your first year, worry about getting the things you need to take care of yourself for the week - place to sleep, food, water, bike, etc (can be a couple of hundred dollars to several thousand, depending on what you have & how fancy you want your camp to be). Once you're on-playa and acclimated, there are plenty of volunteer opportunities that you can use to contribute if you wish - but never underestimate the contribution that a smiling face & a ready hand to help your neighbors is.

[GreyCoyote]

The harsh truth that some people need to hear is that Burning Man isn't cheap. It's also not a necessity. Going to a big party/art festival way out in the middle of nowhere is a luxury. If you can't swing the logistics of transportation and life support …. hey, DisneyLand isn't free either.

This is worthy of a freakin' tattoo. (Too bad it wont fit in the sig!)

[retropsycho]

Hi guys,
i'm new to all this. How do you find the various camps that provide food and water, and register with one?
many thanks
Sam

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