Caption Contest 7

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:11 am

It's a new week and I'm ready to put my political caption contest behind us. (Whether or not to put all politics behind, is another matter....)

So without further ado:

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:15 am

wowie! A roll of seasons tickets to Red Sox baseball games!

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:25 am

Woodrow developed an interest in tennis at an early age...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:37 am

"Will mine ever be that big?"

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:42 am

"I wonder if she knows she sat on my pet frog?"

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:56 am

Okay, now lean forward just a liiiiiitle more ...

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:12 am

"when i get older, i am going to get me some of that"

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:50 pm

Alpha wrote:It's a new week and I'm ready to put my political caption contest behind us. (Whether or not to put all politics behind, is another matter....)

So without further ado:

despite the impressive sex-change operation his older brother had undergone, Billie wondered where all the extra parts went...

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:37 pm

"...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection
...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection
...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection...must...hide...erection"

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:38 pm

"Little did Anna know, but she was about 2 seconds away from finding out the other reason why they called him the 'ball boy'."

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:41 pm

"When little Bobby refused to quit playing with his penis during the game, Anna was forced to take it way from him and wrap it in paper for safekeeping."

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:43 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:"Little did Anna know, but she was about 2 seconds away from finding out the other reason why they called him the 'ball boy'."

Rob, you are too damned good at this. Here's mine:

Little Bobby had never wanted anything so much in his life, as to be the handle of that tennis racket.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:24 pm

"Bobby's parents would have been even more embarassed if they had known he was really just wondering if the skirt would fit him."

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:36 pm

Why do so many of these captions revolved around gender identity? Is it Alpha's selections or a reflection of the deep seated gender anxieties of the board members? I'm starting to get some sort of transphobic vibes from here, and I don't like it.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 4:44 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Why do so many of these captions revolved around gender identity? Is it Alpha's selections or a reflection of the deep seated gender anxieties of the board members? I'm starting to get some sort of transphobic vibes from here, and I don't like it.

then look at the second post, mine. It's clean, cute, real and unfunny!

Discosybil · Post by **Discosybil** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:38 pm

Is that a freckle?

CoworkerLurker · Post by **CoworkerLurker** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:46 pm

"Maybe if I just ignore him, he and his self-groping hands will go away before someone takes an embarrassing photo."

shitmouse · Post by **shitmouse** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:12 pm

"dead cats, granny porn, dead cats, granny porn"...
-b

Alpha · Post by **Alpha** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:04 pm

Apologies, Crypto, if my selections offend. You'll have to take my word that I'm not phobic about anyone's identity, sexual or otherwise.

As it so happens my next photo (which was chosen weeks ago) will break the streak.

In the meantime, uh, you get out of the caption contest what you put into it. :-)

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 5:40 am

theCryptofishist wrote:Why do so many of these captions revolved around gender identity? Is it Alpha's selections or a reflection of the deep seated gender anxieties of the board members? I'm starting to get some sort of transphobic vibes from here, and I don't like it.

transphobic? nope... what is scary is... they (male transgender candidates) cut their penis off... i am not afraid to say i am scared of that procedure... even when done to someone totally unknown to me.

and i am not crazy about any kind of srugery, thank you very much.

by the way, as a female writer (Fran Lebowitz, i think) once said/wrote..."they aren't women, they are castrated males")

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:01 pm

Trans identities are strange.
I know it plays into general sexual anxieties and into castration anxiety.
Trans is a very fragile and emerging community right now, and i have some connections to it. It's also a lot more varied than the snapshot feelings that get play make it seem.
How familier are we with the story of Gwen/Eddie/Lida Arrojo. It's just darn creepy that a few guys would think it appropriate to kill her because she didn't tell them of her status.
I agree that in certain ways a transwoman is not a "woman." but she's not a man either. There are more than 2 genders and it's not a good place to be rigid.
Alpha--"offended" is too strong a word. I think that the itch of discomfort I feel is a sign to me to think through some things. Maybe the rest of us need to too, but thatn's not for me to say.
Chukka

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:04 pm

are more than 2 genders and it's not a good place to be rigid.

here here...

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:33 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I agree that in certain ways a transwoman is not a "woman." but she's not a man either. There are more than 2 genders and it's not a good place to be rigid.

Weeelllll, from a physiological standpoint- there are two genders. Hermamphrodites are considered a cross between the two states- not a seperate third classification. It is not a 'normal' occurance or state, in strict scientific terms, but a mutation.

Psychologically, there varying shades of them both in wide varieties. Introduce cultural influences and exterior cultural viewpoints, and the things becomes twice as befuddled.

One of the biggest crimes is when doctors that 'know better' make impromtu descisions after the childbirth process. A lot of times they 'fix' things one way or another, without knowing how the individual's body will tweek things during later puberty. Really interesting stuff, I studied it a bit in my physiological psycology class. Then I seen a PBS documentary detailing the struggles that transgendered people face. Often it's a case of 'fixed' hermamphrodites that get the wrong hormones later on. Not always, but human variety is incredibley varied.

Just my 2cents.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:42 pm

Weeelllll, from a physiological standpoint- there are two genders. Hermamphrodites are considered a cross between the two states- not a seperate third classification. It is not a 'normal' occurance or state, in strict scientific terms, but a mutation.

I respectfully disagree. I would argue that, physiologicially, there are two SEXES, but there are an uncountable multitude of GENDERS.

Labels....

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:44 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:I agree that in certain ways a transwoman is not a "woman." but she's not a man either. There are more than 2 genders and it's not a good place to be rigid.
Weeelllll, from a physiological standpoint- there are two genders. Hermamphrodites are considered a cross between the two states- not a seperate third classification. It is not a 'normal' occurance or state, in strict scientific terms, but a mutation.

"Gender" actually means "catagory" and is taken from linguistics where there are various genders in various languages. (3 or 4 in Czech, depending on how you count.) Simply being a hirstute woman and neglecting to shave renders me something "other" bearded and mensturating. My point is that reality takes over our simplitic catagoration.
As for "hermaphroditism" squishy, squishy, squishy. What definition are we using?

Psychologically, there varying shades of them both in wide varieties. Introduce cultural influences and exterior cultural viewpoints, and the things becomes twice as befuddled.

Closer to what I was getting about, but still not all of it.

One of the biggest crimes is when doctors that 'know better' make impromtu descisions after the childbirth process. A lot of times they 'fix' things one way or another, without knowing how the individual's body will tweek things during later puberty. Really interesting stuff, I studied it a bit in my physiological psycology class. Then I seen a PBS documentary detailing the struggles that transgendered people face. Often it's a case of 'fixed' hermamphrodites that get the wrong hormones later on. Not always, but human variety is incredibley varied.

Just my 2cents.

None of the trannys I've known come under that catagory--to my knowledge. Certainly the woman who fathered two children as a man doesn't. Check out Natalie Angier's hypothesis in Woman: an Intemate Geography where she postilates that perhaps there is an innate sense of gender identity (which makes a certain amount of evolutionary sence--although I am not a strict evolutionary constructionist by any means) which sometimes gets switched on or off wrong. I'm not completely satisfied with that, although it's the best I"ve run accross. Note. I still have not read Joan Roughgarden and have no idea what she'll throw my way.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:19 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:"Gender" actually means "catagory" and is taken from linguistics where there are various genders in various languages. (3 or 4 in Czech, depending on how you count.) Simply being a hirstute woman and neglecting to shave renders me something "other" bearded and mensturating. My point is that reality takes over our simplitic catagoration.
As for "hermaphroditism" squishy, squishy, squishy. What definition are we using?

Using the Oxford or Webster's-

Oxford
noun 1 Grammar a class (usually masculine, feminine, common, or neuter) into which nouns and pronouns are placed in some languages. 2 the state of being male or female (with reference to social or cultural differences). 3 the members of one or other sex'

Webster
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gendre, from Middle French genre, gendre, from Latin gener-, genus birth, race, kind, gender -- more at KIN
1 a : a subclass within a grammatical class (as noun, pronoun, adjective, or verb) of a language that is partly arbitrary but also partly based on distinguishable characteristics (as shape, social rank, manner of existence, or sex) and that determines agreement with and selection of other words or grammatical forms b : membership of a word or a grammatical form in such a subclass c : an inflectional form showing membership in such a subclass
2 a : SEX <the feminine gender> b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex

The reason I take a stance on this- is because it is unnecessary juggling of the English language to serve a personal end. Under the same logic of claiming more than two genders- I can claim to be female due to there being some estrogen in me. Gender refers to the traits of one of the two sexes, as seen from a cultural standpoint. When people stand up and demand that there are more than two genders (ie. more than two sexes), it simply means redefining an already established word. Why? Transgendered is an accepted word, why try to redefine an established one? It muddles the waters to no good end. Would suing the dictionary companies and forcing them to put a dozen different gender definitions help the transgender cause?

Hermaphroditism-An anomalous condition in humans and animals in which both male and female reproductive organs and secondary sexual characteristics are present in the same individual

From back in the physiological psychology days, hermaphroditism was always considered a physical trait. As gender refers to social or cultural norms, sex and hermaphroditism refers to physical characteristics. Again, why try and force a personal definition to an established word? When hermaphrodite frogs are found in nature- you don't see scientists defining it otherwise. And you definitely won't see one pointing to a male dog saying, "No, it's really a bitch. Fido doesn't like girl dogs and prefers wearing girl dog scarf- so he's a hermamphrodite."

Personally, if the dictionaries change the definition to include the many transgendered definitions- I could really care less. I'll use it differently then. I just don't see what all the fuss is about and why people want to change established definitions to serve personal means.

Being a hirstute gal and not shaving means you have some male gender traits- it does not make you a male by any means. But gender itself refers to either male or female by definition.

PS. Not trying to start a fight, just point to dictionaries and saying "this is what it is".

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:23 pm

how can i possibly take you seriously with that picture???

Dude!! There's SOMETHING IN YER ASS!!!!!!!

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:27 pm

tisha2 wrote:how can i possibly take you seriously with that picture???

Dude!! There's SOMETHING IN YER ASS!!!!!!!

Cigar. What else would you put in your ass?

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:31 pm

*reality-tish snorts and cackles really loudly in office and actually claps hand over mouth to shut up*

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:59 pm

I'm picking up what yer puttin' down, Rob. However, I think that there is a huge difference between sexuality in animals and sexuality in humans. My personal point of view.

We have sex for fun, for pleasure, as well as to procreate...

and, I don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing to go in and have a look at those definitions, and update them if necessary. Things change... and sometimes we DO need to redefine...

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