How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:36 pm

ygmir wrote:
goathead wrote:
Jovankat wrote:Is anyone else chuckling at a thread about being wrong having a glaring grammatical error in it's title?

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.
hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

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Nah I was just amused by that little juxtaposition. And I said my piece. If anyone wants to argue the actual contents of my post and suggest that, yes some black and white indicators of "doing it wrong" should be established and no consideration should ever be given to individual circumstances, I might be tempted to draw some comparisons to other times in history when such techniques have been used or just simply point out a few more examples of when that approach would fail. But I'm not in fact a teacher and I have no desire to school goathead, that mistake just made me smile is all. And yes I can tell the difference between my boyfriend and a paid boy toy, my point however was that a casual observer might not notice the difference. Whose opinion matters more?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:37 pm

goathead wrote:
ygmir wrote:
goathead wrote: hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

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pass it over yg, this could be entertaining. :D
Really? You're excited to get into a snark fest about grammar with me? I though this was a topic you cared about and wanted to discuss. :roll:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:37 pm

5280MeV wrote:
trilobyte wrote:I think Burning Man's doing things wrong, too, but think trying to dictate how someone can burn is both impossible and destroys a big chunk of what makes Burning Man special.
Ok.

I mean, I can't disagree with that in some sense, but if there are no basic parameters then there is no need for principles, or philosophy, or education, and nothing for the Burning Man Project to do.

If I take a piss on the ground, I am doing it wrong. If I sneak in my dog, I am doing it wrong. If I bring a gun, I am doing it wrong. If Phillip Morris gave me a cowboy costume and 100 carton of cigarettes to hand out from the Marlboro car, and I do that, then I am doing it wrong. (actually I am not sure about that last one anymore)

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:41 pm

Jovankat wrote: Really? You're excited to get into a snark fest about grammar with me? I though this was a topic you cared about and wanted to discuss. :roll:
So you don't know what thread drift is?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:43 pm

Yeah, I get in trouble for perpetrating it all the time. I just would have thought you'd be more concerned about your crusade.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by graidawg » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:45 pm

goathead wrote:
Jovankat wrote: Really? You're excited to get into a snark fest about grammar with me? I though this was a topic you cared about and wanted to discuss. :roll:
So you don't know what thread drift is?
:shock:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:52 pm

Jovankat wrote:Yeah, I get in trouble for perpetrating it all the time. I just would have thought you'd be more concerned about your crusade.
more like Occupy Eplaya, fuck the masters.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by ygmir » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:53 pm

Jovankat wrote: Nah I was just amused by that little juxtaposition. And I said my piece. If anyone wants to argue the actual contents of my post and suggest that, yes some black and white indicators of "doing it wrong" should be established and no consideration should ever be given to individual circumstances, I might be tempted to draw some comparisons to other times in history when such techniques have been used or just simply point out a few more examples of when that approach would fail. But I'm not in fact a teacher and I have no desire to school goathead, that mistake just made me smile is all. And yes I can tell the difference between my boyfriend and a paid boy toy, my point however was that a casual observer might not notice the difference. Whose opinion matters more?

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:55 pm

goathead wrote: FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?
Sorry ygmir I usually find snark a lot more amusing than this thread has become. Maybe goathead is doing it wrong..?

Either way I'm getting bored. :roll:

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:01 pm

Jovankat wrote:
goathead wrote: FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?
I usually find snark a lot more amusing than this thread has become. Maybe you're doing it wrong..?

Either way I'm getting bored. :roll:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:02 pm

Seriously? That's the best you can come up with? :roll:

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Elderberry » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:18 pm

goathead wrote:
Jovankat wrote:
goathead wrote: FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?
I usually find snark a lot more amusing than this thread has become. Maybe you're doing it wrong..?

Either way I'm getting bored. :roll:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by tamarakay » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:21 pm

Jovankat, give it a rest. I think you are probably a nice person but you are coming across as a second year know it all pain in the nether regions.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by lucky420 » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:35 pm

Also my boyfriend cooked for me and cleaned up nearly every meal was I doing it wrong?

How about if I tell you it was because putting the cooked food in front of me was the only way he could stop me MOOPing the camp or setting things up in the sun when I clearly needed rest etc. Still doing it wrong?

What about the camp a respected member of this board stayed with where he was verball abused (playfully I'm assuming, but still) by another camp mate because he wouldn't let her feed him. Was his campmate doing it wrong trying to give that gift?

While I'm on board with the "paid employees who don't get to participate using tickets that are then not available to real participants is bad" and "not having to think about and plan for your survival in any real way means you're missing a large junk of the experience" type arguments I think trying to define the "wrong" way of doing things is a bad idea. Riding a seqway definitely makes you look like a knob but I don't think it's entirely safe to assume anyone on a segway is doing everything else wrong. I think it takes a bunch of things being done in less than ideal ways for a camp to be "doing it wrong" but it's a nebulous and undefinable combination of some of the things mentioned in this thread and others that amounts to wrongness and trying to define that is a waste of time because each camp needed to be evaluated individually.

Anyway, all I'm trying to say is terrible as plug and plays may or may not be trying to distil their wrongness down to easily detectable signs is going to backfire and you're going to end up with a salt of the earth "true burner" on the end of your pitchfork just because they are a terrible cook or have a disability or they couldn't get enough time off work. And that will be awkward.[/quote]

hello jovankat, glad to meet you. are you a teacher? because me and the fucking english language have never got along. over the course of many, many, many years i have had many try to correct what ever fucking error in english i have made, i doubt your going to suckeed. anyway if you are unable to tell the difference between your boyfriend and a paid boy toy well? yes you might be doing it wrong. FYI, i can snark hard, but i never carry a grudge. shall we play?

:twisted:[/quote]

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pass it over yg, this could be entertaining. :D[/quote]

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Jovankat » Tue Sep 16, 2014 4:45 pm

tamarakay wrote:Jovankat, give it a rest. I think you are probably a nice person but you are coming across as a second year know it all pain in the nether regions.

Jesus Mary and Joseph where the hell is isotopia when you need her?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:32 pm

Dam now the popcorn soggy.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:34 pm

tamarakay wrote:Jovankat, give it a rest. I think you are probably a nice person but you are coming across as a second year know it all pain in the nether regions.

Jesus Mary and Joseph where the hell is isotopia when you need her?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:36 pm

Jovankat wrote:
tamarakay wrote:Jovankat, give it a rest. I think you are probably a nice person but you are coming across as a second year know it all pain in the nether regions.

Jesus Mary and Joseph where the hell is isotopia when you need her?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 7:54 pm

I was doing it wrong, and LOVING it !!!

I felt very special this year, as about a half dozen times, people were compelled to quote one of the principles at me. If I included eplaya it would be a dozen. They would use it as if brandishing a cross to a vampire. They were always shocked that I didn't recoil. I don’t share the blind faith. Simply saying the catch phrases was supposed to make me coo and caw. I grew up in a religious home and it is so similar, that is why I have the “We are not a cult” sign in front of my camp. It’s no joke.

So Larry burned some stuff ‘cause he lost his old lady back in the day. Well, he sure is getting poontang now. Was his vision then, or now, or ever, more relevant? I’m more loyal to ideas and causes than to top hierarchy. I ain’t got no woman and want to burn shit. I believe a widespread base of people move history, ideas, festivals forward while only a few get credit. I’ll be my own sensei. We are not a cult. Not really a team player. And the whole plug and play issue is only further proof.

It’s the desert I love, though I like the event for, among many things, the principles. They speak to my values in many ways. It’s not that I attend the event, and therefore these are THEIR rules that I must follow. For me, I enjoy a variety of humans, de-commodification, pitching in, trying to handle your own, not throwing trash around, etc. and here is a place sharing those visions. I didn’t show up and then adapt these principles. So, yeah, I’m kinda going by my rules and not checking the principles in my decision making process.

Anyhow, I told a kid dressed in khaki kilt uni-belt floppy hat full blown playa regalia that his checking the iphone blew the image. Later, when he is older and cooler, he will thank me. Oh man, he did not want to hear that now, and came at me spouting scripture. “Doesn’t Burning Man demand Radical Inclusion”, yeah, that’s why I’m here, next. “Why are you against Radical Expression!” which I didn’t really understand being said as a call to silence me. I apologized for upsetting him. He said “I’m not upset!!!”. So I apologized again. One of the newbs in camp complimented me on my people skills.

And then when we had this totally great hard working vet in camp talking to newbs and looking around, the topic of rebar stakes came up. The main camp was using lag screws. The vet explained the danger of rebar stakes, glanced around, and then said, "Yeah, I'm sure there is some rebar over in Camp Threat". I do use rebar, but it's not like I don't use safety precautions. Most injuries are people cutting up their legs and feet kicking the low placed metal, that is why I use extra long rebar as stakes, and pound them in leaving the top at crotch level.
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Elderberry » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:03 pm

Lonesomebri wrote: I do use rebar, but it's not like I don't use safety precautions. Most injuries are people cutting up their legs and feet kicking the low placed metal, that is why I use extra long rebar as stakes, and pound them in leaving the top at crotch level.
Oh good, now I have to worry about piercing my ball sack on your rebar. I'd rather have it be my feet. :shock: :cry:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by Lonesomebri » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:40 pm

Elderberry wrote:
Lonesomebri wrote: I do use rebar, but it's not like I don't use safety precautions. Most injuries are people cutting up their legs and feet kicking the low placed metal, that is why I use extra long rebar as stakes, and pound them in leaving the top at crotch level.
Oh good, now I have to worry about piercing my ball sack on your rebar. I'd rather have it be my feet. :shock: :cry:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by kiboy » Tue Sep 16, 2014 8:53 pm

So Larry burned some stuff ‘cause he lost his old lady back in the day. Well, he sure is getting poontang now. Was his vision then, or now, or ever, more relevant? I’m more loyal to ideas and causes than to top hierarchy. I ain’t got no woman and want to burn shit. I believe a widespread base of people move history, ideas, festivals forward while only a few get credit.
I hear you but nothing much happens without a hierarchy. Larry did a lot of work on this gig. I didn't do that part and that's why I didn't start a burning man. It's not part of my easy going lazy nature. But I'm glad somebody took the reins and made this happen. Oh and don't worry, I know it wasn't all Larry's doing.

I really like your passion for keeping the spirit of Burning Man alive. I may take exception to some of the things you say or how you say them but I really do believe you're in the right camp with most of what you say.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by goathead » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:57 pm

goathead wrote:
tamarakay wrote:Jovankat, give it a rest. I think you are probably a nice person but you are coming across as a second year know it all pain in the nether regions.

Jesus Mary and Joseph where the hell is isotopia when you need her?
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by unjonharley » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:06 am

Lonesomebri wrote:
Elderberry wrote:
Lonesomebri wrote: I do use rebar, but it's not like I don't use safety precautions. Most injuries are people cutting up their legs and feet kicking the low placed metal, that is why I use extra long rebar as stakes, and pound them in leaving the top at crotch level.
Oh good, now I have to worry about piercing my ball sack on your rebar. I'd rather have it be my feet. :shock: :cry:
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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by FIGJAM » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:19 am

What is evil about enjoying covering the end of your pole??? :?
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Post by unjonharley » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:23 am

FIGJAM wrote:What is evil about enjoying covering the end of your pole??? :?
I'm not giving up one of mine for his rebar..
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Usually by Tuesday I have a ball covering the end of each pole, stop on by.
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Post by MyDearFriend » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:46 pm

Hahahahahaha, if you are having fun you are doing it right, period.





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Post by Bin Noddin » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:12 pm

And we should all piss on the playa.

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Re: How to tell if your doing it WRONG.

Post by BBadger » Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:01 pm

5280MeV wrote:1) Keep decommodification as a principle as is, and get rid of vendors (or at the very least limit them to deliveries and people quickly entering and leaving in special cases).

2) Drop or revise the decommodification principle, and let people hire bartenders.

3) Deal with people getting pissed off or at least mocking the obvious dishonesty of the whole enterprise.
You're doing it wrong if you're expecting principles to be iron laws, believe that principles lose legitimacy to the point of dishonesty because of a few pragmatic choices, or that those decisions are the cracks that necessitate forcing the floodgates open.
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