Should PnP have to pay full price for Sherpia Tickets?

[goathead]

Does USS have to pay for contractor tickets?

[Elderberry]

No. I think the cost for Sherpa tickets should be higher.

or on second thought, if all they are going to do is work, maybe they should be free (or the camp owner should pay a fee to the BMORG) so as not to count against the number of tickets that can be sold to actual participants.

[Lonesomebri]

I'm figuring that with the same bosses in the default that the Sherpas have on playa, they are probably qualified to get low-income tickets.
This way the community can absorb that cost as part of radical inclusion.

[Wrath]

If employees cost more, I want the tier system back. Sherpa tickets can be lottery.

What's Sherpia? Are the sherpas camping together next year?

[BBadger]

If we price the sherpa tickets higher, they'll just buy regular tickets instead.

There would need to be an advantage to purchasing those specific tickets to make it work. Perhaps guarantees on their availability, but limitations on being able to access the rest of the event. Then there were all those complaints about sherpas not being able to have time off to enjoy the event too, so maybe the latter stipulation wouldn't fly?

Perhaps the sherpa tickets wouldn't come from the same pool as "participant" tickets, but would require that the sherpas enter on vehicles having a special expensive vehicle pass so as to encourage fewer vehicles. That way, not only would these servants not dip from the regular ticket pool, they would also be reducing traffic on the roads.

[theCryptofishist]

Full price. As Bbadger says, they can't be made to pay more. Unless they are buying from scalpers, which we can do nothing about.

And to answer Goathead's question, I think that since USS is contracting directly from the event, that tickets have to be part of the deal.

[Elorrum]

If they are employed, and paid, as service providors, then they shouldn't be using the limited tickets available to us. If they are participants then they should be volunteering in their camps along with the other members on an equal basis, and be able to experience the event as their voluntary scheduling permits.

[Jackass]

Two shifts of twelve hours each, sherpas bunk up with the feds at Bruno's, get taken on and off playa through vendor entrance via inmate buses from Lovelock. Shock collars keep them close by so that they don't happen to wander off and get lost, they shit where they work. No tickets necessary as they are "controlled" vendors. Plug n Plays finance their own audits through local agencies at the beginning of the event, and are forced to pay various agencies their dues and only then do they proceed to play...

Audit the first few days of the event works out because the place is empty (except for the grunts) until mid week. If they want to make some bucks they can call it what it is, and pay to play just like all the other businesses operating in the desert during those weeks. Their taxes could subsidize more low income tickets and buy more pyro. Hell, they could help fund the "Pave the Playa" campaign, buy Larry a nice steak and some hookers, whatever...

PnPs get their own little ring of roads starting at 6&L outward. the rest of the city deserves to see this, at least on their way in. They'll make a nice wind break for the rest of the city. This way everyone's sure that they are contributing something besides their "high society" back to the community.

Their clients could go to a class similar to traffic school at the Ramada prior to the event and get schooled on the necessary curriculum, that way they can at least wipe their own asses and pick up their own moop. They could put on some informational BurningPropaganda flick if they choose to watch, for their inbound flights as well.

They can be integrated!

[theCryptofishist]

Are you kidding me? Larry doesn't need hookers. He's got to have a nice slice of the events bunnies. (Not Knowmad)

[goathead]

Shock collars keep them close by so that they don't happen to wander off and get lost

Plus, highly entertaining

[FIGJAM]

Are venders and sundry counted as part of the BLM pop cap?

Seems logical that they would be.

[Jackass]

Not if they are using their own facilities, they wouldn't be placing any more burden on the existing infrastructure.

[FIGJAM]

Are you sure?

I thought the BLM pop cap was about protecting the land, but I'm probably wrong.

[Jackass]

Are you sure?

I thought the BLM pop cap was about protecting the land, but I'm probably wrong.

It's all about the Larrys, Mr. Jam

Where are all the mods at? Isn't someone going to put up some defense on behalf of our corrupt/elite bretheren?

Is there some kind of moderator secret workshop this weekend? Are they conferring and regrouping as to their stances on the PnP menace?

Only time will tell...

[goathead]

even child molesters have public defenders.

[some seeing eye]

I propose a great compromise: sherpas are 3/5 a burner, count 3/5 to the population cap, their tickets are priced at 3/5, the spa camps are allowed to have as many directed sale sherpa tickets as they like, and the sherpas work a minimum of 14.4 hours a day.

[Bless]

I think the Sherpas should form a union and demand better benefits and wages.

[BBadger]

If they are employed, and paid, as service providors, then they shouldn't be using the limited tickets available to us. If they are participants then they should be volunteering in their camps along with the other members on an equal basis, and be able to experience the event as their voluntary scheduling permits.

Well that would be the ideal case, but how are you going to tell a sherpa from a bona fide "participant"? If you don't want them dipping from the same ticket pool as the rest of us, the pool needs to be kept separate, and the ticket types assigned specific incentives and disincentives that cater to their intended use. For example, a service-class ticket should deny the holder from being able to attend the event outside their designated employment region. At the same time, that ticket could be priced lower and have guarantees on availability. This would save the employer money, while also preventing the use of regular attendee tickets. Without the restriction disincentive, regular burners would attempt to obtain service tickets just to get inside the gates or to save money.

All this would require enforcement like special wristbands, and officials ready to enforce the ticket classes. It would be pretty difficult, and probably counter to what people want for people in the event. In the end, we may be stuck with dipping from the same pool for everything just to avoid a more strict ticket regime.

I'm also not sure where this "equal basis" stipulation comes from, or why it is assumed that other camps follow through with that either. People have all different levels of involvement in their camps, in equal, complementary, or even unequal capacities and roles. A lot of this is backed by money too, to compensate beyond just the cost of goods. For example, Sacred Spaces keeps your $120 "strike fee" if you decide to leave early and not help clean and break down camp.

I propose a great compromise: sherpas are 3/5 a burner, count 3/5 to the population cap, their tickets are priced at 3/5, the spa camps are allowed to have as many directed sale sherpa tickets as they like, and the sherpas work a minimum of 14.4 hours a day.

They'll need to pass a literacy test before they can exercise those rights though.

[kowtow]

Can't we unionize and bring the Sherpa's and Hippies under one umbrella organization called Shitties?

Then the sherpa's could pick up after the hippie's (as part of their radical inclusiveness) when they finished their duties at the PnP.

[gaminwench]

Are you calling me a hippie????

[AntiM]

Can't we unionize and bring the Sherpa's and Hippies under one umbrella organization called Shitties?

Then the sherpa's could pick up after the hippie's (as part of their radical inclusiveness) when they finished their duties at the PnP.

Excessive apostrophe abuse! Hippies. Sherpas. The sherpa's ticket. Possessive, not plural. I'll stand for a lot of things, but not grocer punctuation. There are limits.

Please, continue with the regularly scheduled rants.

[kowtow]

Can't we unionize and bring the Sherpa's and Hippies under one umbrella organization called Shitties?

Then the sherpa's could pick up after the hippie's (as part of their radical inclusiveness) when they finished their duties at the PnP.

Excessive apostrophe abuse! Hippies. Sherpas. The sherpa's ticket. Possessive, not plural. I'll stand for a lot of things, but not grocer punctuation. There are limits.

Please, continue with the regularly scheduled rants.

My apologies on the grammer. Thanks for setting me on the straight and narrow. I knew I should have paid more attention in school, but instead I opted to make-out and go to keggers.

I changed my mind about this unified sherpa-hippy organization, they should be called Herpies

[Lonesomebri]

The official policy of the BRCCP is that EVERY human setting foot on the playa should put in a 4 hour shift with USS taking care of the potties.
This is the radical inclusion everyone is always demanding, but never actually willing to embrace. All else is cheap talk.
The next lame rant about radical inclusion can include how many hours the bs talker put in at the portos.
And, seriously, we are including the porta potty guys in with the hired help at Camp GoldDouche? We are talking about 2 entirely separate animals here.

I should make it clear here, I will not be putting in that 4 hour shift, I am too busy organizing the movement.

[theCryptofishist]

I am too busy organizing the movement.

Yeah, we know all about your "movement" in re: the porta potties...

[GreyCoyote]

I changed my mind about this unified sherpa-hippy organization, they should be called Herpies

This. For the win.

"Only YOU can prevent herpies..."

[delle]

Special (additional) tickets should be allocated to each Exclusive Camp - mandatory for their staff - paid by the money-makers (not the sherpas) - proof of purchase of sufficient numbers on request required.

Highest (or higher) price, the additional monies to fund something important/fabulous.

If they're going to tax the other money-making ventures, this has to be included in the mix. It's just a starting point.

[BBadger]

Special (additional) tickets should be allocated to each Exclusive Camp - mandatory for their staff - paid by the money-makers (not the sherpas) - proof of purchase of sufficient numbers on request required.

Highest (or higher) price, the additional monies to fund something important/fabulous.

If they're going to tax the other money-making ventures, this has to be included in the mix. It's just a starting point.

Or the PnP camps could just laugh it off and just buy the regular tickets at the cheaper price. What is BMOrg going to do? Stage raids on suspect camps and demand proof that nobody is being paid outside the event?

The BMOrg has literally zero ability or jurisdiction to police any of this -- as if there were an objective standard to be met in the first place. Their only recourse is to use carrot-and-stick incentives that such camps willingly take part in.

[Lonesomebri]

Some of us are just shouting out ideas and feelings, while others are working in defense for the org. I have no idea why they would hire lawyers when they have the best defense team lofty notions can buy. It's back to intent. What is the orgs intent, what is yours? For some people it's trying to rectify this issue in some way that seems ethical and on the level of the 10 vague suggestions, others are just trying to say nothing can be done....so often and so many times that it is obvious that they themselves do not believe what they claim, or they would not be wasting their time on something THEY CLAIM nothing can be done about.

So hilarious to read that the org can do whatever they like because it is their party, then in the same breath how the org can't really do anything regarding the event. Who believes this crap?

[BBadger]

What's sad to read is when people attempt to point out contradictions by pretending that the context of the statements don't matter (e.g., control over what goes on inside the event versus outside).

[lucky420]

But the org does try to control what goes on outside the event. For example the Canadian lawsuit, BM telling the companies to cease and desist their advertising, the band that last year tried using images in their YouTube video, etc