What does staying in tents or how long they've been selling tours to the playa have to do with whether something is plug n' play or not? It's ok because they're not targeting rich people? It's ok because running for-profit tours to the playa is fine as long as they've been doing it a long time?Elderberry wrote:I agree. I think GT has been going to Burning Man since before I started going. They camp in tents for Christ sakes. How Plug and Play is that? Plus I have never heard anything but good about them.Sandstorm wrote:I totally understand the intellectual impetus for why people would want GT's "contract" with BM terminated via a P&P "clean slate" program. That said, do we really want to see a "good neighbor" / "good citizens" of BRC get f*cked because of the actions of actual COMMODIFICATION CAMPS? I for one don't.pink wrote:IMHO, green Tortoise served a purpose before the Burner Bus existed. Now I don't think they should be allowed to operate as they have been either, really ever since the tickets sold out, they shouldn't be allocated a block at all. They're part of the slippery slope that ends with things like Caravansicle.
I don't understand what principles you could object to plug n' play camps in general and then not object to one that is run for profit and is openly advertising tours to Burning Man, and whose camp provides nothing back to the community, but still gets placed like a theme camp and gets allocated blocks of tickets.
Aren't those exactly the most widespread objections people have about plug n' play camps?