Sexual Violence

[OregonRed]

sure. but it's important to remember that it's a two-way street. children are sexual beings - most people don't want to view them as such, for obvious reason, and we end up not teaching them the things they should know about their own sexuality, like how to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy touching and that adults and other children alike need permission to touch them. not making that distinction early on causes quite a bit of blurriness about sex, which often directly or indirectly leads to sexual abuse.

You're right. There are many other problems that can arise from not acknowledging our children (especially daughters) as sexual beings. Not only the inability to recognize healthy and unhealthy touching, but the inability to deal with it (i.e. stop unhealthy touches), and in many women in my age group(18-35) the inability to validate thier own sexuality without sleeping with some jerk. Mom and Dad didn't acknowlege thier sexuality, so someone needs to.

It is unfortunate that our society refuses to acknowlege the sexual being in our children. There are many important lessons we could impart to our children by merely doing so.

[Borris]

Ahit, took me some time to digest all 17 pages of this.

I have the solution.

All males, when they reach puberty, donate a shot of semen.

They are then emasculated, penis and balls gone--not just the balls.

Men will then be more docile, if not more fat and lazy (hard to believe), and if they get out of line, their sperm donation is destroyed.

Impalement for those that assault or murder.

Sound good? Who's on board?

I'll be next in line right after you.

[Chimp]

Borris / Zane

Are you kidding? You really want your balls cut off? Because of a minority of social deviants - really?

C'mon girls thre aren't many of you who would advocate this extreme measure surely, as I understand it some women actually quite enjoy a good firm cock upon ocassion as indeed do some other men - will you deny us all the possibility of this pleasure Zane / Borris?

Also, it might be worth recognising that some young men are abused or coerced into sex by older women, although the mainsteam western culture is phallocentric and most abuse is a one way street, not all of it is.

Anyways -

I am gutted, does no one want to address the question I asked in my previous post which was -

- I am not that well informed but if we are going to talk about a Jungian unconscious, or some sort of karmic law that links individuals to a greater whole (as some have on this website, I realise it isn't expressed terribly well here) than can we see these abberations in our society as a sickness that affects us all via a process of cause and effect, I don't know - like they represent some kind of malignant cancer that is perhaps self imposed by a certain unified psychological ar spiritual deficiency we suffer as a species.

If you look at our effect as a species on the physical world (there are around 26,000 Lions left in Africa compared with 250,000 ten years ago, most are harbouring a feline form of AIDS - brink of fucking extinction, fact) we are absolutely fucking it up. Is this in some way diminishing our group 'soul' if you like, making us spiritually sick and in some cases venal - What I am trying to say (badly) is - are these kind of crimes a symptom of a disordered society that is breaking down and that has in terms of the earth ('the mother' if you like) "Ripped her and bit her and tied her with fences, dragged her down / Morrison" - are we attacking our own collective soul in some very real way by raping the physical world of it's resources and are the abberations and perversions, I believe we increasingly see in so called 'civilised society', a MANIFESTATION of that? -


no?

Does it seem too nuts? I mean yeah people have talked about the first bit of that post and on the whole I agree (I still don't think it is healthy to have 11 year old little girls gyrating on TV in 'pop' bands - I am thinking mini S-Club here - pretending to be christinafuckingaguilera) - call me old fashioned but I think childhood means 'child'hood - you can quite easily tell a kid what is inappropriate behaviour from an adult with out having to tell them about rimming / barebacking or whatever - know what I mean?

but I would like to hear your opinions on the postulation that perversions and aberrations by individuals in society are directly linked to the breakdown of that society - that our species has an irrevocably damaged soul, that manifests itself in a myriad of fucked up ways.

[nymphgonebad]

sure. but it's important to remember that it's a two-way street. children are sexual beings - most people don't want to view them as such, for obvious reason, and we end up not teaching them the things they should know about their own sexuality, like how to distinguish between healthy and unhealthy touching and that adults and other children alike need permission to touch them. not making that distinction early on causes quite a bit of blurriness about sex, which often directly or indirectly leads to sexual abuse.

You're right. There are many other problems that can arise from not acknowledging our children (especially daughters) as sexual beings. Not only the inability to recognize healthy and unhealthy touching, but the inability to deal with it (i.e. stop unhealthy touches), and in many women in my age group(18-35) the inability to validate thier own sexuality without sleeping with some jerk. Mom and Dad didn't acknowlege thier sexuality, so someone needs to.

definitely sounds like my formative years.

It is unfortunate that our society refuses to acknowlege the sexual being in our children. There are many important lessons we could impart to our children by merely doing so.

[Flux]

are we attacking our own collective soul in some very real way by raping the physical world of it's resources and are the abberations and perversions, I believe we increasingly see in so called 'civilised society', a MANIFESTATION of that?

I don't know, do you see what I am trying to get at?

Yes, and yes.

[Borris]

mmmm! need me a sippy cup!

I personally was using a baby bottle. was quite funny to come up to a bar give them the bottle and say "fill it up with whatever please" also got some remarks on me neeeding a real nipple (that led nowhere but were funny) and no playa dust in my drink. only thing i needed to do was to enlarge the hole in the rubber nipple, consuming slowly trickling warm vodka isn't the most enjoyable way.

[Chimp]

Cool Flux,

I feel there is some truth in that as well. We are taking this planet down and when she sinks we will all go with her. The lack of love and respect we have shown her and the ensuing symptoms of disease and decay manifest themselves in the diminished responsibility / morality / sanity of all the child murderers, rapists, torturers, suicide bombers, bent cops, pedophile priests, avaricious oil tycoons and corrupt governments.

Straight to hell we go in the shadow of the atom. Lets Burn.

amen.

[Borris]

Indeed, I'm all for openness and communication and all that. I'm just picturing our hero picking up the girl of his dreams for their first date. They stop by Starfucks for a nice after-dinner macchiato, and he whips out his laptop with the WiFi card. After booting up, he heads over to http://www.sex-contract.com/, hands her to computer, and says, "You wouldn't mind completing this little contract, would you?"

hey dude you're way back techwize. nowdays he'd upload the contract via IR straight into her PDA, then she would CC it back to him, they would go home, link up with each other via their new Sat. uplink and engage in furious cyber activity.

The next day she would find out that the bastard has uploaded the entire .doc to his blog and would doctor her version to show that he couldn't even get it up, upload it to her blog and they would never speak again.

[Flux]

The lack of love and respect we have shown her and the ensuing symptoms of disease and decay manifest themselves in the diminished responsibility / morality / sanity of all the child murderers, rapists, torturers, suicide bombers, bent cops, pedophile priests, avaricious oil tycoons and corrupt governments.

Yes. It's like each time we do some evil and don't repent of it, our soul shrinks a bit, making us more likely to do the next bit of evil, and so on. I think it's that way for individuals, and I think it may be that way for humankind as a whole, as well. We're selling our collective soul for convenience, luxury, and greed.

[Flux]

hey dude you're way back techwize. nowdays he'd upload the contract via IR straight into her PDA, then she would CC it back to him, they would go home, link up with each other via their new Sat. uplink and engage in furious cyber activity.

No wonder I'm not getting laid -- I don't have the right gadgets!

The next day she would find out that the bastard has uploaded the entire .doc to his blog and would doctor her version to show that he couldn't even get it up, upload it to her blog and they would never speak again.

That's hilarious! As dj big "E" would say, I'm lmao here!

[Borris]

Borris / Zane

Are you kidding? You really want your balls cut off? Because of a minority of social deviants - really?

<taking shovel and pownding on Chimp's head with its flat side>Chimp repeat after me: This is Satire, Next time i will be able to recogdnize a satire, satire's differ from humans by having goats legs.

[Flux]

satire's differ from humans by having goats legs

lmao again! Borris, you are on a roll today!

[Borris]

And the greek legends go to quite a length to describe satire's prowess in certain fields that compose part of this topics name. (well with a goat's tool i would probably be too)

[Rob the Wop]

The lack of love and respect we have shown her and the ensuing symptoms of disease and decay manifest themselves in the diminished responsibility / morality / sanity of all the child murderers, rapists, torturers, suicide bombers, bent cops, pedophile priests, avaricious oil tycoons and corrupt governments.

I'm less of a spiritual minded, more of a factual minded type. I think the issues you are seeing are more of a result of over-population than from anything else. There was a famous experiment done where a scientist placed a small sample of mice in a cage and feed them. When they reproduced, he increased their food. He continued to increase the food amount to coincide with the number of mice in the cage, creating a well-fed but over-populated area (similiar to our cities). The mice started showing increasingly disturbing behavior. Some became increasingly aggresive, while others would lie almost motionless except for obsessive grooming. Without a steady supply of food from outlying areas, our cities couldn't exist.

We fuck too much without funny little rubber things or our happy dogs. That's the crux of it. Pretty much all wars can be broken down to a desire for resources when you look close enough. Resource needs happen from over population. We have too many mice in too small a cage.

[Chimp]

Hey Borris Dood

I was trying to satyrical myself - by the way I've got a goat's tool and sometimes I even strap it on

[Flux]

I agree that overpopulation is a huge problem. A couple of observations, however.

That's the crux of it. Pretty much all wars can be broken down to a desire for resources when you look close enough. Resource needs happen from over population. We have too many mice in too small a cage.

People have been fighting wars since time immemorial, when the earth's human population was a tiny fraction of what it is today. While I'm no historian, I don't think that most of the wars of the 20th century were fought because the aggressor needed more resources and could only get them by seizing territory from another nation.

Also, I've read in a number of places that humans already produce enough food for the entire population of the world to be fed, but we throw a tremendous percentage of it away. In other words, the problem is not scarcity of resources, but the allocation of them -- similar, but not exactly the same thing. I gather that the carrying capacity of the world is several times its current population, but that inefficiencies in our systems of distribution stand in the way.

Anyway, some points to ponder.

[Chimp]

Rob

I see the overpopulation argument in a way - however, I don't think it holds water - on over half of this planet the staple diet is rice, and people have to walk miles for clean water. On over half of this planet familes have five or more children because the liklihood is that four will die before 5 years old from malnutrion or disease - In Africa 2/3rds of the population will be dead from AIDS in the next ten years without help right now.

That help isn't coming, why? Because of the greed that underlies Western economics. In fact AIDS is battling the population explosion quite well don't you think - that and cholera and malaria and all the nasty stuff that goes along without having a clean water supply.

Half the planet is dying man, the rest of us don't give a shit. Morally reprehensible, no?

It isn't "their fucking problem" either - The west created this mess, that's why so many people hate us. Well, that and the 'smart bombing'

Condoms won't save the world pal.

[Chimp]

And neither I'll wager will George Dubya

[nymphgonebad]

And neither I'll wager will George Dubya

ugh - you just had to bring him up, didn't you? don't get me started...

[Rob the Wop]

On over half of this planet familes have five or more children because the liklihood is that four will die before 5 years old from malnutrion or disease

In fact AIDS is battling the population explosion quite well don't you think - that and cholera and malaria and all the nasty stuff that goes along without having a clean water supply.

Meaning that the resource in question is food in one case, clean water in another, and medicine in the third. All are resources. We have the resources, we could transport them over there. But to be truely effective, there would need to be a resource for all these in the local region.

A problem that happens in the religious charity orgs, is that food is transported to a starving population- but safe sex techniques will not be taught. Once the population is fed, the population increases- and more food is required. A vicsious cycle that is becoming more focused on with the outspread of AIDS. A case where a really fucked up thing is required to make certain groups open their eyes to other issues.

AIDS is happening from unprotected sex ie. rubber thingy would help. Disease can <i>generally</i> be tied to overpopulation in most cases, in animal nature and in ours. Disease spreads easier in animal populations that are starving (lower immune system) and/or crowded (disease spreads faster).

Oh and AIDS isn't handling the population thing very well at all (yes, I know it was said in sarcasm). The population is still increasing, with a proportional increase in starvation and disease. Just more people are dying early and in truely fucked up ways.

I believe less in sending food and supplies- more in creating grain capable of handling the harsh conditions of the area, more in helping develope water treatment facilities, more in establishing safe sex practices and providing condoms, more in establishing medical facilities based upon the local population.

[nymphgonebad]

On over half of this planet familes have five or more children because the liklihood is that four will die before 5 years old from malnutrion or disease

In fact AIDS is battling the population explosion quite well don't you think - that and cholera and malaria and all the nasty stuff that goes along without having a clean water supply.

Meaning that the resource in question is food in one case, clean water in another, and medicine in the third. All are resources. We have the resources, we could transport them over there. But to be truely effective, there would need to be a resource for all these in the local region.

A problem that happens in the religious charity orgs, is that food is transported to a starving population- but safe sex techniques will not be taught. Once the population is fed, the population increases- and more food is required. A vicsious cycle that is becoming more focused on with the outspread of AIDS. A case where a really fucked up thing is required to make certain groups open their eyes to other issues.

AIDS is happening from unprotected sex ie. rubber thingy would help. Disease can <i>generally</i> be tied to overpopulation in most cases, in animal nature and in ours. Disease spreads easier in animal populations that are starving (lower immune system) and/or crowded (disease spreads faster).

Oh and AIDS isn't handling the population thing very well at all (yes, I know it was said in sarcasm). The population is still increasing, with a proportional increase in starvation and disease. Just more people are dying early and in truely fucked up ways.

I believe less in sending food and supplies- more in creating grain capable of handling the harsh conditions of the area, more in helping develope water treatment facilities, more in establishing safe sex practices and providing condoms, more in establishing medical facilities based upon the local population.

well now, that just raises another issue; to wit, that the deserts those starving africans are living in were once fertile and populated by nomadic tribes who had the good sense not to deplete the resources in one spot and
who kept moving so the balance of what they took and what what left wasn't horribly skewed. agriculture really fucked things up, so finding the right grain may not be the best solution. instead of spending tax dollars on fodd that will just be consumed and gone or crops that will fail due to famine and locusts, perhaps we should send them some camels and sunscreen and tell them to hit the road.

[Guest]

well now, that just raises another issue; to wit, that the deserts those starving africans are living in were once fertile and populated by nomadic tribes who had the good sense not to deplete the resources in one spot and who kept moving so the balance of what they took and what what left wasn't horribly skewed. agriculture really fucked things up, so finding the right grain may not be the best solution. instead of spending tax dollars on fodd that will just be consumed and gone or crops that will fail due to famine and locusts, perhaps we should send them some camels and sunscreen and tell them to hit the road.

For the large part it's not overfarming that it causing the expansion. Desertification of the Sahel in West Africa is largely due to wood cutting (which nomads also must do) and a prolonged drought period (2 decades).

I'd be curious if anyone has an explanation for the drought. It's tempting to link it to global warming (which, itself may be a natural cycle or may be the result of the industrial revolution) but I don't know if such a link is accurate.

[nymphgonebad]

well now, that just raises another issue; to wit, that the deserts those starving africans are living in were once fertile and populated by nomadic tribes who had the good sense not to deplete the resources in one spot and who kept moving so the balance of what they took and what what left wasn't horribly skewed. agriculture really fucked things up, so finding the right grain may not be the best solution. instead of spending tax dollars on fodd that will just be consumed and gone or crops that will fail due to famine and locusts, perhaps we should send them some camels and sunscreen and tell them to hit the road.

For the large part it's not overfarming that it causing the expansion. Desertification of the Sahel in West Africa is largely due to wood cutting (which nomads also must do) and a prolonged drought period (2 decades).

I'd be curious if anyone has an explanation for the drought. It's tempting to link it to global warming (which, itself may be a natural cycle or may be the result of the industrial revolution) but I don't know if such a link is accurate.

well, william gibson would disagree with you, but i'm willing to see merit in what you have to say.

yeah, yeah global warning - what about the locusts tho?

[Zane5100]

Are you kidding? You really want your balls cut off? Because of a minority of social deviants - really?

I didn't say I wanted it, I was just offering it as one possible solution.

I still think the public impalement of sex offenders is an option...

[Rob the Wop]

what about the locusts tho?

God. He/she's got a thing about them little buggers. That and smiting people. Generally anti-social ifins ya ask me.

[Arnold Layne]

Because I heard you singing through the gloom

[OregonRed]

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Like most crackhead eels, you seem to have a piss poor attitude about things, Geoffrrey. I mean YOU ran away from Chimp, yet now you seem to be blaming him for your most unfortunate stranding on the playa. How "bout some personal accountability now?
BTW, if Geoffrey is stranded on the playa, how is he posting on eplaya?

[stuart]

but I would like to hear your opinions on the postulation that perversions and aberrations by individuals in society are directly linked to the breakdown of that society

I will make the assumption that you feel we are accellerating in our poisoning of the planet and our society is increasingly borken down. If we assume this to be correct then the evidence shows your theory to be unsound. Despite what the media would have you believe, individual violent crime has been decreasing for some time now. [/quote]

[Arnold Layne]

SWINEZZ VOICes in my mind, Inthe darknessIN THE WIRES...seek, seek the monkey, leftie hippyscumCUTZ HIS FUCKINGBALLZ OFF I SHALL...oh my poor fiddle is tired to play, scared away The Meat Bees okay, play us a jig though PLAY PLAY DDAMN YOU!!AN IRISH JIG!!

quiet...noises, drums, drums in the deep AGAHGAHGAHGAHGHGAHGH!!!! BALROG! RUN, FIDDLE RUN, FIND MY PIPE AND KILL THE CHIMPZZ Fly fly you fools, my pipe, my magick THEVIRGIN FIRE OF HELL!!! AGH!!!!! YOU CANNOT PASSSSssss.....................

[Guest]

well, william gibson would disagree with you, but i'm willing to see merit in what you have to say.

yeah, yeah global warning - what about the locusts tho?

A paranoid person might think you were sick of all these serious discussions.

Besides, we're off-topic anyway. I don't suppose locusts ever committed an act of sexual violence against anyone? (just my lawn the little fuckers..)