ticket info

[Jovankat]

Yeah, no VIP tickets, my hyperbole, just a massive increase in how easy it is to get a ticket (so, ya get in) if money is not a hindrance, while the competition for regular people tickets goes thru the roof (so it is more difficult for ya to get in).

But for every person who buys in the presale that's one (possibly up to 3) people who then won't be trying to buy in the main sale right?

Also my prediction is the presale is going to be a scramble and a quick sellout this year too.

[Lonesomebri]

...But for every person who buys in the presale that's one (possibly up to 3) people who then won't be trying to buy in the main sale right?
Also my prediction is the presale is going to be a scramble and a quick sellout this year too.

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This has been answered here and on the other ticket thread, unfortunately. The same people will be trying to buy tickets in both sales. A lot of people are going to try and buy in both sales, while not scalping, most of us will become speculators when we buy the pre-sale ticket with the idea of also buying a regular ticket, and then selling the more expensive, even at cost. People will be buying tickets that they actually do not need in order to hedge that they get one, and that hopefully they not swallow the $800. So, yeah, this will increase the demand on both sales, beyond just a person saying I need a ticket, I will purchase a ticket for x amount.

Also the limit for the pre-sale tickets went up to 6. The regular sale limit I didn't notice but it's probably still at 2. I realize that the deck is always stacked for the wealthy, that's just the way of it, you need a ticket which costs money to get in, but this dynamic, making it easier for the wealthy to buy a larger stack of tickets inorder to theoretically keep the price down for the poors' diminishing access to tickets, seems to help guarantee tickets for the for-profit commercial camps, turns alot of us into speculators, drives up the demand and cost on tickets, and the thing is, this way is as good as any. There isn't a solution or a better idea that I see.

And one other thing, I just don't want (hahaha, as if that matters) the direct placement allotment of tickets being decided by the same folks who thought the theory alone of handing out popsicles was enough of a gift to the community to get EA and placement.

In conclusion, Burning Man sucks, it's sleeping in dirt, peeing in jugs, smelling like hippies, a bad scene. Do not go.

[DrYes]

making it easier for the wealthy to buy a larger stack of tickets

Normal tickets are $390 a pop. For approximately half the population of earth, that's roughly half their annual income.

Actually poor people don't take vacations because they're too busy trying to stay alive. Nobody who goes to Burning Man is poor. It's just degrees of privilege.

[IrishBurner]

The scalpers gotta love reducing the number of vehicle passes. demand +higher prices. Why limit the vehicle passes? sell as many as you can so prices don't get over inflated on secondary market. i mean was does it cost to print those stickers, 3 cents a piece? Also $800 presage tickets is too much, As a gambler i'll play the odds of getting a $390 ticket.

[MFOB]

$50 bones for a VP is total horseshit.... If they give us shitty paper stickers like they did last year. It took me a fucking hour to get that sumbeotch off. Mainly because I put it down deep into the corner of the window and could barely reach it with any tools (Goof Off, Razors, etc.). I did however leave a corner with the backing on it thinking I could just peel it off. Yeah Fn right. What a PITA, Lessons learned if we get shitty paper tickets again. For 50 bones we should get those clingy window stickers like one would get at the oil change places. Rant over.

[Simon of the Playa]

meet SATAN 6.0



satan does not need a vehicle pass...

[Elliot]

$50 bones for a VP is total horseshit.... If they give us shitty paper stickers like they did last year. It took me a fucking hour to get that sumbeotch off. Mainly because I put it down deep into the corner of the window and could barely reach it with any tools (Goof Off, Razors, etc.). I did however leave a corner with the backing on it thinking I could just peel it off. Yeah Fn right. What a PITA, Lessons learned if we get shitty paper tickets again. For 50 bones we should get those clingy window stickers like one would get at the oil change places. Rant over.

Those are actually not "shitty", but quite high quality. They are made specifically so they cannot be peeled off and transferred to another vehicle. Those stickers you see in the windshield of 18-wheelers are made the same way.

And the primary purpose of the stickers is not revenue, but to reduce the number of vehicles on the narrow two-lane roads.

[MFOB]

Makes sense on the transferring part. But still, next year I will be taping it or just putting it higher up so I can get the sucker off.

[Elderberry]

Makes sense on the transferring part. But still, next year I will be taping it or just putting it higher up so I can get the sucker off.

We taped ours on last year, primarily because we had a rental truck.

[unjonharley]

Makes sense on the transferring part. But still, next year I will be taping it or just putting it higher up so I can get the sucker off.

We taped ours on last year, primarily because we had a rental truck.

That takes care of the non transferring.. May be the gate should watch for tapped stickers.. Give them up at the gate..

[Elliot]

Well, I'm not telling anybody what to do, but I would expect Gate to tell you to stick the thing on there permanently.

There is another thing.... The bar-code on those stickers are scanned, which means that the computer knows that the sticker is already inside BRC. That's the second layer of defense against transfer of VPs.

[LionsNzebras]

Well first step to improve things, simply eliminate anyone over 60 years old from southern Oregon.

Ohhhh...can we cut out anyone under 21 too?

[Elliot]

Well first step to improve things, simply eliminate anyone over 60 years old from southern Oregon.

Ohhhh...can we cut out anyone under 21 too?

Now... that might actually be a good idea. Of course, I would make it 30. But it is a topic for another time.
What you want to know at this point, is that Captain Goddammit and Unjonharley have a friendly insult-competition going on.

[unjonharley]

Well first step to improve things, simply eliminate anyone over 60 years old from southern Oregon.

Ohhhh...can we cut out anyone under 21 too?

Now... that might actually be a good idea. Of course, I would make it 30. But it is a topic for another time.
What you want to know at this point, is that Captain Goddammit and Unjonharley have a friendly insult-competition going on.

noooo.

[LionsNzebras]

Well first step to improve things, simply eliminate anyone over 60 years old from southern Oregon.

Ohhhh...can we cut out anyone under 21 too?

Now... that might actually be a good idea. Of course, I would make it 30. But it is a topic for another time.
What you want to know at this point, is that Captain Goddammit and Unjonharley have a friendly insult-competition going on.

No No, some of them 26 somethings are super sexy

An insult competition, whos keeping score?

[Lonesomebri]

making it easier for the wealthy to buy a larger stack of tickets

Normal tickets are $390 a pop. For approximately half the population of earth, that's roughly half their annual income.
Actually poor people don't take vacations because they're too busy trying to stay alive. Nobody who goes to Burning Man is poor. It's just degrees of privilege.

So what is up with the low-income tickets, and pre-sale bringing in the big bucks to subsidize that? Aren't all these people the same when contrasted to the average Yemeni? Can I use your logic to plead for a low-income ticket, or do you think the Borg isn't as stupid and easily miss-led as me?

Yes, the nature of most of reality is that everything is relative. thank you for pointing that out. It's all about degrees, but that doesn't make everyone at the Burn equally wealthy just because it's degrees. In fact, the "degrees" you mention to discredit the point, is the point. Shit, the difference between black and white is only one of degrees. Nobody who goes to Burning Man is poor compared to people too poor to attend, yet if you asked the population of popsickle camp what "poor" is, I am sure you would get a different answer than "Simply rich enough to attend Burning Man". Heck, their "degree" might be way different than my "degree", which in turn is different than half the population of the world. With your argument, asking for access to clean water is elitist because most the world does not have it. Sure, wanting clean water and tickets to the Burn are First World problems, but I'm not going to kid myself that isn't the group I'm a member of.

But back to the statistics, those numbers measuring degrees..... degrees that show a shift towards providing tickets to the wealthier potential Burners.


[*]Presale will have 4K tickets (up from 3K last year).
[*]Presale ticket limits are 6 (was 4 last year).
[*]Directed Group Sale will have 20K tickets (up from 15K last year)
[*]Individual Sale will have 40K tickets (up from 38K last year)


Presale tickets up 33%.
Presale limits up 50%
Directed Group Sale up 33%
Sucker limit up 5%...... priceless

[some seeing eye]

On one hand, you could look at the 2015 changes in ticketing as a vast conspiracy by the 1% to oppress the 99% of burners and enrich the clueless and conniving founders with unimaginable ill-gotten wealth. This is what you will hear from the followers of the cult of Meh.

On the other hand, you could see the changes each are rational, incremental, and they were made by the founders after looking at all the internal numbers.

More presale supports the internationalization of the burn. I hope it prevents the laments we had last year of "I have my nonrefundable international plane ticket but no burn ticket". If you are spending on an international trip, you can afford a presale ticket. Presumably the BORG would know how many internationals bought tickets last year. I would guess that there can't be more than 1-2K PnP and sherpas, placement would know. Personally I would raise the presale price higher and discourage people from buying both presale and regular sale, though practically it would be difficult. It is not hard to imagine that the BMORG is negotiating on how big the event will be 2016-2020 which is part of the vehicle pass calculation.

I would guess that potty pumping and LEO costs go up each year no matter what the economy. If pot laws change that changes the stupid tax. And it would be natural for the BMORG to support the BM Project org out of ticket sales.

No one wants a burn that is 100% 1% PnP, 100% international, 100% virgins or veterans, 100% dance music enthusiasts or 100% sparkle ponies. This year's changes are not going to cause the sky to fall. IMO

[ACfromSAC]

Lonesomebri, I believe in past years if you purchased a ticket during the presale you weren't eligible to purchase during the regular sale. That seemed like a means of deterring people from purchasing a presale ticket as a means of hedging their bets on getting a ticket during the regular sale. Has that changed?

Sidenote: I did purchase my vehicle pass during the presale ticket JUST IN CASE they sold out during the regular sale. Keep that in mind fellow eplayans.

[Elliot]

Lonesomebri, I believe in past years if you purchased a ticket during the presale you weren't eligible to purchase during the regular sale. That seemed like a means of deterring people from purchasing a presale ticket as a means of hedging their bets on getting a ticket during the regular sale. Has that changed?
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The 2015 information says that buying tickets in the Pre-Sale does not preclude buying tickets in a later sale.

[VultureChow]

I can confirm for the past few years, purchasing in the pre-sale did not affect your ability to buy in any of the other sales (except, I assume, low-income).

[ACfromSAC]

Lonesomebri, I believe in past years if you purchased a ticket during the presale you weren't eligible to purchase during the regular sale. That seemed like a means of deterring people from purchasing a presale ticket as a means of hedging their bets on getting a ticket during the regular sale. Has that changed?
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The 2015 information says that buying tickets in the Pre-Sale does not preclude buying tickets in a later sale.

AH HA! Thanks Elliot, good to know!

[Elliot]

There is a peculiar phenomenon in my Burner Profile. It tells me I am missing some required information, but I have information in all the boxes marked with the "required" asterisk. It also says to "click here" to go to the first missing item, but there is nothing clickable.

Also, there was no button under "sparkly things" to register for the sale, but I was able to register anyway thru the "dashboard" screen. (Not that I plan to buy any $800 ticket, but I wanted to see if it worked.)

Anybody else have this? Apparently it is harmless, but....

[LionsNzebras]

There is a peculiar phenomenon in my Burner Profile. It tells me I am missing some required information, but I have information in all the boxes marked with the "required" asterisk. It also says to "click here" to go to the first missing item, but there is nothing clickable.

Also, there was no button under "sparkly things" to register for the sale, but I was able to register anyway thru the "dashboard" screen. (Not that I plan to buy any $800 ticket, but I wanted to see if it worked.)

Anybody else have this? Apparently it is harmless, but....

I clicked the button on the main profile page that said "register for presale" I got my code and happy

I dont want to buy 800 buck tickets, but I want to go more than I dont want 800 dollar tickets...so Will try in both sales.

[lucky420]

There is a peculiar phenomenon in my Burner Profile. It tells me I am missing some required information, but I have information in all the boxes marked with the "required" asterisk. It also says to "click here" to go to the first missing item, but there is nothing clickable.

Also, there was no button under "sparkly things" to register for the sale, but I was able to register anyway thru the "dashboard" screen. (Not that I plan to buy any $800 ticket, but I wanted to see if it worked.)

Anybody else have this? Apparently it is harmless, but....

I dont thing the "register here" shows up quite yet

but i could be wrong, it's been known to happen

[lucky420]

haha see i was wrong. i just registered and wrote down my code...

ohgodno its for the presale

im stupid

it really pays to read the whole damn paragraph

[Melonblue]

The pressure is kinda intense. Not usually so stressed about FOMO. But this one is frigging hard not to react to.

I'm register for presale.

I don't want 800$ tickets, but agreed....I want them more than risking not going.

I have no idea if my fear response will trigger me to join the click fest for pre sale tickets or not.

[lucky420]

No, i wont buy the presale tickets.

I just got so excited I ju




ooooh look! shiny!

[omegared]

A lot of people are going to try and buy in both sales, while not scalping, most of us will become speculators when we buy the pre-sale ticket with the idea of also buying a regular ticket, and then selling the more expensive, even at cost.

Yes I agree, the market will be flooded with resale presale tickets shortly after the individual sale... but a guaranteed sell out practically guarantees they will sell for face value.

[Jovankat]

Yep. I was considering doing this but it looks like I'll get a shot at the DGS so I'll give it a miss this year.

[Eric]

Yes I agree, the market will be flooded with resale presale tickets shortly after the individual sale... but a guaranteed sell out practically guarantees they will sell for face value.

Fixed it.
Based on the last two years ("regular" post-sell-out years), tickets will go for face value up to Gate opening, and possibly beyond.