"Directed Group Sale" and theme camp applicants

[gaminwench]

Sad story, for sure ... but, the bright side is that Retrofrolic wasn't overlooked or red flagged by the Org.

Perhaps you, pink, should be the point of contact for your camp; you're much more active in the online community, so would be aware of deadlines looming and such.

Good luck, Retrofrolic, I've certainly enjoyed the (brief) time I've spent in your camp.

[pink]

I knew from what lascivious posted we hadn't been red flagged, but why ticketing wouldn't work with him, I don't know.

Even worse was that the secondary emails were all forwarded to his primary account, but because it landed in spam it didn't forward.

[usurpedus]

I got the email saying my camp had been chosen to participate in the DGS and that we should expect a follow up email by the 22nd with directions for next steps.. but we never received this follow up email. did anyone else experience this?

[Just_Joe]

I got the email saying my camp had been chosen to participate in the DGS and that we should expect a follow up email by the 22nd with directions for next steps.. but we never received this follow up email. did anyone else experience this?

Got the follow up yesty and the invite system went live for us this afternoon. Have you checked for sparkly things in your profile?

[pink]

Check your spam filter I guess. You might be in the same situation as us.

[usurpedus]

thanks for the responses guys.. nothing in slam and only volunteer questionnaire under sparkly things..

also tried emailing placement with no response

[pink]

Read my tale of woe. Apparently you guys got shut out too, for whatever reason. Our founder discovered the burner profile issue email in his spam folder. I'm going to guess they set up an auto bot to send out the burner profile issue email and they got flagged by spam.

Why a general announcement wasn't made that 'all invites have gone out, if you didn't get one and were expecting one, let us know by...' Since the only deadline date anyone knew of was 1/22.

[zorro sings]

Why a general announcement wasn't made that 'all invites have gone out, if you didn't get one and were expecting one, let us know by...' Since the only deadline date anyone knew of was 1/22.

They did but looks like you did not see that as well.

[trilobyte]

All - please do not post placement or other private distribution emails on the board. The proper place to direct your questions or issues with regards to the Directed Group Sale are to the placement team. To do that, send an email to [email protected] - and make sure that the subject line contains the name of your camp EXACTLY AS YOU REGISTERED IT IN 2014. That will help the person fielding the placement@ address to route it to the right person for your camp, and hopefully get you a response more quickly. The camp change/split deadline has passed, so they may not be able to help with those issues at this point.

@Dr. Pyro - fyi, there hasn't been a lottery in years. Both the directed group sale and main sale do a pre-registration, then first-come/first-serve sale.

@pink - very sorry to hear it, with some email providers the spam filtering can really be terrible, it's a good idea for a camp or project's main contact to make sure that they've added anything burningman.com to an approved or trusted sender's list.

[jneilvindy]

All - please do not post placement or other private distribution emails on the board. The proper place to direct your questions or issues with regards to the Directed Group Sale are to the placement team. To do that, send an email to [email protected] - and make sure that the subject line contains the name of your camp EXACTLY AS YOU REGISTERED IT IN 2014. That will help the person fielding the placement@ address to route it to the right person for your camp, and hopefully get you a response more quickly. The camp change/split deadline has passed, so they may not be able to help with those issues at this point.

@Dr. Pyro - fyi, there hasn't been a lottery in years. Both the directed group sale and main sale do a pre-registration, then first-come/first-serve sale.

@pink - very sorry to hear it, with some email providers the spam filtering can really be terrible, it's a good idea for a camp or project's main contact to make sure that they've added anything burningman.com to an approved or trusted sender's list.

Not trying to be snarky or start any sort of war but why exactly should the DGS information be kept confidential? The only damage that can come from it being public is if any sort of shenanigans or special privileges was being handed out I'd think.

I mean it would only look bad if say sherpacamp 2015 got 90 DGS invites while some esplanade fronted camp received 10....

And ultimately it just means information like that will end up on another website anonymously thus lessening the usefulness of eplaya forums as an open forum for information related to all things BM.

I just hate secrecy for secrecy's sake. I mean here at work we are officially forbidden to discuss salaries...yet as a state employee all our salaries are listed online. Heck the local newspaper's main page carried a direct link to state employee salaries for over a year after some state official took them to task for publishing somone's salary once....

Anyways I'm sure if it's "cause BM org" doesn't allow such stuff to be posted here then it can't be posted here but to me if that's the case it sure seems another nail in the coffin of BM as a radical expression of society and more a Kim Jong wishes to joing the ORG's newsletter for tips on running a properly ordered regime

[Elliot]

... ...
Not trying to be snarky or start any sort of war but why exactly should the DGS information be kept confidential? The only damage that can come from it being public is if any sort of shenanigans or special privileges was being handed out I'd think.
...

My view... is that it is not so much a matter of secrecy, as a matter of avoiding confusion. E-mail sent to specific people contain information that is relevant to those people, and not relevant to others. If such text is published publicly, it can be mistaken for public information, and mixups can ensue.

For example, Camp Leads who distribute DGS-invites to their campers have their own deadline for this purpose and this purpose only. To publish this date would be to invite -- pardon the pun -- general Burners to think that this date is relevant to them. I saw it happen to one of my campers yesterday.

Most people lead busy lives these days, and reading-comprehension often suffers. Extraneous information only makes it worse.

[trilobyte]

The issue is not specific to the directed group sale, it applies to all private distribution lists. Groups of all kinds (from placement to DMV to rangers, center camp cafe volunteers, ice, etc) create their own private distribution lists for the purpose of communicating information to that specific group of individuals. We respect that privacy on that board, and so information from private distribution lists may not be posted on the board without permission.

[Elliot]

What he said.
Computers make it a little too easy to quote and re-post Stuff, which we do out of the goodness of our hearts, but sometimes counter-productively.
So I have developed this "mantra": Just because something can be done, does not mean I should do it. We must take time to consider the whole picture, and also consider our audience -- what their eager minds may do with it.

This concludes my sermon.

[FIGJAM]

TA DAAAAAA!!!!

[pink]

Man that sucks. Big time. Are you the camp lead? Did you email placement? I did on behalf of retrofrolic even though I'm not camp lead and we ended up getting our DGS. I'm living on Placement because I think they went to bat for us after Ticketing said no.

[gaminwench]

Yay! pink; way to go to the mat, aaaaand success!!!

[^Rhino!]

Wait until your name gets 'kicked' from the system. It happened to me without my knowledge this year, when my camp director/manager sent in my name with the list for the tickets. We can get enough tickets (maybe) but I can't get the e-mail that says I have one.

Oh, well, I hope it works out,because I'm part of the camp infrastructure. I'm hauling an 8' enclosed trailer into BRC containing our camp's needs, so a vehicle pass is a must. My problem is, I'm traveling solo because of the distance involved (1971 miles one way)

What a way to end the week. Our placement team was perfect last year and the year before. This year? I'll wait for now to come to a conclusion.

[pink]

Your name got dropped from the list? Check spam for any email/burner profile issues?

[trilobyte]

Neither placement nor ticketing kicks out names. My guess would be that the camp leader may not have been paying close attention when entering names, and it was never accepted to begin with.

On the screen, when you enter the address and click save, you'll get one of I believe three four messages. No burner profile found means that there is no burner profile on record using that address. Incomplete burner profile means that there is a burner profile matching that address, but one or more of the required fields is incomplete. The third one was something like This person has already been invited through some other group or affiliation (for people who were already on someone else's list). And then the fourth message is Good to go - meaning everything is locked and loaded. Only the addresses that are good to go are saved when a camp leader either leaves the page or when the form closed on Wednesday at noon. If a camp leader got one of the error messages, it was up to them to get in touch with the campmate and get that corrected and then re-enter the name on the invite page to get that Good to go message... before the deadline. When I first entered my campmates' addresses on the screen I had some with errors too. I sent off emails to those with issues, and then went back to re-enter them once they'd updated their profiles (an additional mandatory field had been added at some point last year, anyone who hadn't logged in for a while were coming up as incomplete profiles).

The info that went out to camp leaders covered that, in a couple emails, and even called it out as Super Duper Important in the one that went out the day before the deadline.

It's an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry to hear about it, but hopefully you'll be one of the many who are successful in the individual sale. This year there will be more tickets offered than last year in both the directed group sale and in the main sale, and one of the secondary benefits of the DGS is that it eases the pressure on the individual sale.

[edited to correct my original post with the right number of error messages... thanks Just_Joe for the info!]

[lucky420]

Wait until your name gets 'kicked' from the system. It happened to me without my knowledge this year, when my camp director/manager sent in my name with the list for the tickets. We can get enough tickets (maybe) but I can't get the e-mail that says I have one.

Oh, well, I hope it works out,because I'm part of the camp infrastructure. I'm hauling an 8' enclosed trailer into BRC containing our camp's needs, so a vehicle pass is a must. My problem is, I'm traveling solo because of the distance involved (1971 miles one way)

What a way to end the week. Our placement team was perfect last year and the year before. This year? I'll wait for now to come to a conclusion.

did you check your burner profile?

[halo_in_jeopardy]

Great discussion and information here ... thank you to everyone who is posting.

Here's another question - does anyone know where we could find an archived list of last year's camp names and themes (or of camps from years before)?

[Just_Joe]

I hope it works out for you, ^Rhino!

The info that went out to camp leaders covered that, in a couple emails, and even called it out as Super Duper Important in the one that went out the day before the deadline.

Yup, The profiles had to be complete, and we were notified right then and there if a profile email we inputted had any issues. If, for some reason an person didn't get the email, it could be that it is floating around in cyberspace somewhere. I think the tell-all is whether or not you're registration shows up in Burner Profile Sparkly Things, like Lucky420 asked.

Another thing the super duper reminder said was that I (as the point person) would be receiving a registration confirmation email after the registration period ended. I haven't (yet) but my campmates have received theirs. I'm assuming that since Sparkly Things tells me I'm registered for the DGS and it shows a unique code, I'm good to go.

[trilobyte]

halo_in_jeopardy - it's on the main burningman.org site. Under the heading for the culture you'll find a section called Historical Archives.

[FIGJAM]

When I was double checking my profile, the one added required field was "Years Attended".

[Lonesomebri]

did you check your burner profile?
Oh my god, it's HUGE!

When the sun is just right, it looks massive.

[mdmf007]

Its a work in progress, but works overall.

[Dr Helix]

Hmmm, still no email. Got the Registered acknowledgement in my Burner Profile but nothing more since then.

[Dr Helix]

Hmmm, still no email. Got the Registered acknowledgement in my Burner Profile but nothing more since then.

Of course as soon as wrote this, it showed up. I should know better.

[1durphul]

Question about the "Directed Group Sale" ...

(1) Directed Group Sale is 10,000 tickets available in *February* to "directed groups" like theme camps ... to make sure that essential people get tickets - it's a limited number of tickets to these folks
(2) However, as a first-time applicant to be a theme camp, our application might not be approved until *April* ...

So ... as a first-time theme camp applicant, would we miss out on the "Directed Group Sale" in February?

Is there any way that as a first-time applicant we would be able to qualify for the "Directed Group Sale" in February?

First year theme camps will not get a DGS ticket alotment, as others have said.

This advice comes too late as DGS slots have closed... However, there are ways to work around this, for example, a first year camp can register as part of a village, and receive DGS tickets through that village's allotment.

None of us know the specifics of the DGS ticket assignment system, and how the Org decides who gets what, but I think we can assume the following things make a difference: you executed as you said you would in your previous year's theme camp application. You left your space MOOP free (got a green on the MOOP Map). You did not receive complaints from your neighbors. You did not request more land than you needed. Your camp had an appropriate level of interactivity. You did not abuse any of the other systems the Org has in place (such as early arrivals).

[Killbuck]

IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG, I HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE WORKING THE HELP DESK FOR YOU.