Ticket Question \ transfer \ names

[LionsNzebras]

So we have purchased presales tickets because we want to go. While these tickets are expensive that is OK, but obviously it would be nicer if they were cheaper hehe.

Our plan is to purchase tickets in the regular sale too, if this goes sideways we still have presales to rely upon.
My question here is this.

I guess my name is assigned to serial numbers or printed on said tickets?
If we got into the regular sale I would like to sell my presales tickets. How does the whole name change thing work? Does the name have to be changed at all? Could I gift the ticket?
If I sell them to someone and the ticket still has my name\registered to me on it how does that work?

Sorry I am a little confused on how the name change thing works and how my sale of presales tickets will go presuming I actually get tickets in the regular sale.

[Ratty]

If you requested will call or were forced to use will call because of the country you are in, then they have a name attached to them for pick-up. If you are having them mailed to you then they are just tickets. No name on them.

[LionsNzebras]

If you requested will call or were forced to use will call because of the country you are in, then they have a name attached to them for pick-up. If you are having them mailed to you then they are just tickets. No name on them.

Yup just mailed, were in Canada.

So sale of my presale tickets to anyone should be simple enough.

[Jenifersteppat]

Or, you can't unload your presale tickets (they didn't sell out that fast) and you end up paying EVEN MORE. I made the decision to get presale tickets and made my peace. I feel like I would be playing the system (even though BMorg says it's ok to do this) and screwing people. If you get the regular sale tickets, that takes away someone else's chance who maybe couldn't afford presale, and now they don't go. I don't need that karma man. No judgement, I just feel this would backfire on me in the worst way. I'm happy to help fund SOME (I know the maths don't add up to all) of the low income tix.

[garbage118]

Or, you can't unload your presale tickets (they didn't sell out that fast) and you end up paying EVEN MORE. I made the decision to get presale tickets and made my peace. I feel like I would be playing the system (even though BMorg says it's ok to do this) and screwing people. If you get the regular sale tickets, that takes away someone else's chance who maybe couldn't afford presale, and now they don't go. I don't need that karma man. No judgement, I just feel this would backfire on me in the worst way. I'm happy to help fund SOME (I know the maths don't add up to all) of the low income tix.

I agree with the above, I got tickets in the presale and was going to try and get tickets in the regular sale but just can't feel right about that. I made the decision to pay the higher price and I'm just going to keep those tickets and let others have their luck with the regular sale. My hope is people who I camp with all get tickets and no one has to scramble and find tickets. I have always been able to get tickets to BM and I too don't want to mess with karma, been going since 2007 and wish to continue to go.

[Meat Hunter]

In my opinion, you would not be a very burner friendly person and not in keeping with the spirit if you were to purchase four tickets knowing all along that you did not need but two.

If you do this, you can redeem yourself by gifting two souls with tickets who were not able acquire tickets through the normal purchasing process.

Just my two cents.....

[mgb327]

In my opinion, you would not be a very burner friendly person and not in keeping with the spirit if you were to purchase four tickets knowing all along that you did not need but two.

If you do this, you can redeem yourself by gifting two souls with tickets who were not able acquire tickets through the normal purchasing process.

Just my two cents.....

And mine as well. I bought my two tickets in the early sale to take the stress out of my life. I personally would never try to "score" some cheaper ones, I thought the system set-up this year was going to be abused. Looks like it is.

[Jenifersteppat]

I am especially sensitive to it, because I was one of the original stepchildren. I did not get tickets in the lottery for my first burn, And had to go through the agony of getting tickets through STEP. I don't want to be the reason anyone doesn't get a ticket or has to go through hell to get one. What if some really deserving person doesn't get tickets in the regular sale because you get them, and then some rich jerk who didn't plan for the burn buys the last minute $800 tickets? That is some serious bad karma.

[Jovankat]

I'm happy to help fund SOME (I know the maths don't add up to all) of the low income tix.

Actually you've got that a bit backwards. The extra money from the pre-sales will more than cover the discount the low income folk get. In fact the extra money raised from the 4000 pre-sales would cover twice as many low income tickets. The Borg has said that as well as covering the difference for the low income tickets the pre-sale tickets also make the regular tickets cheaper. I hope that helps your karma

And to answer LionsNzebras question there is a process to change the name and/or postage details of a ticket order that will probably be announced some time after the main sale. So if you want to sell your tickets you could wait till they're posted out to you an physically give them to the seller or you could organise for them to be shipped directly to their new owner. Or you could change the name on the order and have them left at Will Call to be collected.

[Jenifersteppat]

I just wanted to say the maths.

[digital]

(they didn't sell out that fast)

Actually, they sold out exactly that fast.

[lucky420]

I am especially sensitive to it, because I was one of the original stepchildren. I did not get tickets in the lottery for my first burn, And had to go through the agony of getting tickets through STEP. I don't want to be the reason anyone doesn't get a ticket or has to go through hell to get one. What if some really deserving person doesn't get tickets in the regular sale because you get them, and then some rich jerk who didn't plan for the burn buys the last minute $800 tickets? That is some serious bad karma.

I was an original stepchild too! I was really heartbroken when I did not get tix in the lottery that first year. I was outwardly hopeful but just cringing inside. TIME STAMP!

[Jenifersteppat]

12:17:24 baby!!

[lucky420]

12:08:56.

Sweet!

[Jovankat]

I just wanted to say the maths.

Hehe yes I noticed you said it the RIGHT way

[LionsNzebras]

You guys make valid points, thank you for your honesty. T
here is a fairly large burner community here in Alberta and we are looking at 3 different camps. 2 international and one local.

We have offered these tickets to said camps we are looking at encase one of their regular burners does not get in (only in the event we end up with 4), we will also offer the ticket to local burners first. WE feel that supporting our local community in this way is better. Not everyone can get online in the required time to get tickets, and that is a fact. I (lion) am online every day all day long, so its a no brainier for me to get tickets.

My wife and I have talked about the cost and if we can we will only sell one of each ticket (one presales and one regular sale) to absorb some of the costs to our above groups. While its half way, I feel that it is a step in the right direction.

[Meat Hunter]

LionsNzebra,

In my opinion, if you can afford the ~$2,300 for the four tickets, why not gift the ~$700 that you spent for two general sale tickets to two virgin burners who either were not able to obtain tickets or who could not afford tickets at any price.

If I were in your situation, I would probably never miss the ~$700, what good nights sleep you would get from your generosity.

[Jenifersteppat]

Yeah. I feel like be grateful you can afford the presale and leave that juju alone.

[Ratty]

Meathunter, Credit cards are an invention of the Devil. Just because they can put a large amount on a credit card doesn't mean 'they can afford it'. Someone has to pay the bill. Plus, if you were giving $700 to charity would you really give it to a couple of burners? How about your favorite charity? I think I would get a better nights sleep buying coats for the kids in the local homeless shelter. Not to say it isn't say it isn't a grand gesture to gift tickets. It is. I lost my train of thought. The point was that buying them isn't an indication of being able to afford them. Love u more.

[trilobyte]

Go to the ticket support site, read the FAQ.

[Jenifersteppat]

I was of course referring to my own ability and juju. I don't want to be all judgey to new burners who have the ability to buy two pre and two reg tix trying to figure out how to morally game the system at the expense of people playing fair.

[Jenifersteppat]

Sorry Lionzebra. I think I still have ticket buying stress disorder. Frankly, I was shocked the BMorg was permitting this. My assumption was it was so theme camps get enough tix, but I don't really know. I immediately knew people would plan to do what you are though.

[omegared]

I thought the system set-up this year was going to be abused. Looks like it is.

Technically not abusing the system since the ticketing information flat out tells you you can buy in another sale if you elect to buy in presale. I personally bought in presale and will buy in the individual sale because I have several friends who are still on the fence about going, and will likely still be on the fence at individual sale time... so I picked up a couple tickets for them just in case. Yes it may end up where they don't need them and I resell the presale tickets... it also may end up where they (or some other campmates) need them and I have a spare for them... and then again it may end up where someone I really like wants to go and can't afford a presale so I sell them a $390 ticket. As long as you're reselling for face value I don't see the issue with fronting the money for a little extra assurance that you are going home... you are after all taking the (small) risk that you will get stuck with an $800 bookmark.

[digital]

Wow. Good on you to hoard tickets, then decide who is worthy of the pre-sale price or regular price.

That's the kind of BS ticketing folks are trying to prevent, Dear Rogue Ticket Czar.

Stop it and play fair.

[trilobyte]

It isn't abusing the system at all.

Though in my personal opinion when someone buys the presale to hedge ther bets (where they buy the presale, and then try to sell that presale on at full face value once they've secured cheaper tickets at a later date) is an incredibly jerk-tastic thing to do. All claims of nobility or helping others go right out the window when they expect someone else to foot the bill for it. Fuck those people.

[LionsNzebras]

It isn't abusing the system at all.

Though in my personal opinion when someone buys the presale to hedge ther bets (where they buy the presale, and then try to sell that presale on at full face value once they've secured cheaper tickets at a later date) is an incredibly jerk-tastic thing to do. All claims of nobility or helping others go right out the window when they expect someone else to foot the bill for it. Fuck those people.

So what we have here is 2 things.
I have re-written this post about 9 times..I dont want to come across as an asshat here...

The fact is that not everyone in our group(s) will get tickets, but do have funds to do so. Their reasons are their own. (lack of internet, away that day whatever)
We have the ability to buy tickets and hold them for others.

Yes absolutely our plan is to sell the presales tickets to others in our group if we get regular tickets, or to keep one of the presales tickets and meet our group half way. (this is most likely the case)

What I am struggling with in this thread is the fact that people think its morally wrong for me to sell my presales tickets at face value?
How is this wrong in any way?
Because I have this ability and others dont?
Because I now have tickets that another person cant get?


Please explain how this is wrong.

[digital]

1) It is not 'morally' wrong. It is, however, unethical.
2) One of the 10-Principles of BM is Radical Self-Reliance. To me this includes enduring the gauntlet of ticketing. Planning ahead of time and making the necessary commitments to get YOUR OWN god'damn ticket. Relying on a friend who wants to be super-c00l and popular because they hoarded tickets is akin to Plug-n-Play mentality.
3) Every ticket you buy in the general sale for a friend, who did not have the desire to plan ahead of time, is a ticket you take away from someone who did.
4) Fuck yur burn if you do this and don't call it Home™, 'cause you don't 'get it'.

[all in my naive opinion]

[danibel]

It isn't abusing the system at all.

Though in my personal opinion when someone buys the presale to hedge ther bets (where they buy the presale, and then try to sell that presale on at full face value once they've secured cheaper tickets at a later date) is an incredibly jerk-tastic thing to do. All claims of nobility or helping others go right out the window when they expect someone else to foot the bill for it. Fuck those people.

I agree with this statement. If you have the funds to buy a presale ticket, and do so, and then buy more tickets at main sale price, then sell the higher priced tickets, how is that different than someone buying a main sale and then entering the low income sale "because they can?" (you can't do this really, the org has figured out a way to prevent this from happening, but in theory you could)

There are burners that buy the higher priced tickets to subsidize the lower priced tickets, some people even buy extras and gift them wholly to burners that would otherwise not get to go. To buy an $800 ticket to hedge your bets and prey on a desperate burner later, is an asshole move, in my opinion.

If I could afford an $800 ticket, I would have bought one. But I can't. Now I have to hope I get one at the $390 price, and I am competing for the privledge to buy it in the same sale with you - LionsNzebras - who can afford he $800 ticket, but chooses to try to cut ME out. Thanks.

[Jenifersteppat]

I totally agree with Digital. I planned all year, saved, and make sure I have the time off, my computer is updated, etc. to buy tickets. Fuck people who can't make it happen. That isn't radical self reliance. There is no getting around you hurt other prepared burners by doing this. And your goal is to save you money.

[Jenifersteppat]

In other words, it may be permitted by the BMorg, but it isn't fair. I couldn't do it.