Chicken John reveals his inner Hippie

jimmason · Post by **jimmason** » Fri Nov 19, 2004 10:08 pm

Well. Please allow me to get you up to speed. There is an idea that has been made into forum that we would like to see be made into a system that would be made, eventually, into joy. What, did you just say? Yup. Joy. Pure love and joy. Yea, I know. Not my schtick. Time to put all that away for a moment. Please join me and leave your hard outer shell at the door, Jeeves will take it and your hat as well. Come with me; I have something to show you ….

www.odeonbar.com/petition/1/petition.php

So you see, we have been working quite hard. Please excuse the tone but honesty, like art, isn ’t always rosy smelling. Funny, actually. To demand pure love and joy. We were confused as to what tone to use. And maybe we picked the wrong one. But your here now and you weren't before. So that's good. We have spent a lot of time talking about things in the past. We decided that the time to talk had come to end. Someone had to DO something. Before another year went by and all that happened was more talk and more disgust. Disgust? What are the people disgusted with? This is a good question. I think I may know the answer. It ’s really simple, actually. We all came to the experimental, radically collaborative, totally inclusive & wildly interactive temporary community to participate in the new renaissance of art. To be part of a specific collective conscience. To get turned on. Don ’t forget the underlying mission of all this is simply to give it all away. There are few environments in life which offer the possibility of unrestricted generosity. This is the bait the Burning Man offers. The switch is that we end up feeling very governed. We feel …. curated. We would like some inclusion in our radically collaborative, experimental, totally inclusive and wildly interactive temporary community. We simply would like a voice. We feel that the current system that has served us well in years past we have outgrown. We need a new challenge. And we are willing to work so hard for it. You thought we made good art before? You ain ’t seen nothing yet. I know I know; it ’s hard to change. That ’s why we have to be so directed, so adamant. Because change is hard. But if we flip the pages back of Burning Mans ’history, this project has overcome greater challenges than this. Burning Man has actually offered nothing but challenges to ALL of us. And we crave them again.

Democracy? Really?
Sure. The issue is not the messengers or their methods. The issue is the content of the proposal. Judge the proposal on it ’s merits. I ’m glad we got everyone ’s attention. In order for Burning Man to continue for us radical democratization has to occur where the art is concerned. Instead of picking it apart, lets try it! How hard could it really be? What is the worst thing that could happen? We get a bunch of energetic people? Disillusioned ex-participants return with new found vigor? People get closer to the event? Everyone feels a sense of greater ownership? How can we lose?!?!?! How will we do it? Ya know, we ’ll just fucking do it like we do everything else; with innovation and style! Will it be easy? Nope. But because it ’s so important to all of us I bet we figger it out. We always do.

Leave no trace
We as a people are attracted to the most basic ideas of Burning Man: go to the blank canvas of the playa, witness incredible works of art, have an impossible party, meet the most unlikely people, rant and rave like a person possessed, live amongst your tribe, build a temporary city and then burn it all to the ground and leave no trace. This we all agree. This has become our way; to learn to let go. To give away everyting. With so many so unhappy, we come bearing gifts: behold, Democracy! Democratic process is the only solution to the great unwashed horde of dusty BM burned out artists. If we can ’t have our voices heard but instead just another year of an insipid theme along with the severe restrictions that go hand in hand with it I say that Burning Man has outlived it ’s usefulness for us and we let go of it and leave no trace of it. I say that if the current ‘lock-down ’continues, our efforts are tainted by unrealized possibility. A full realization of ideas of the event in all aspects of the event, not just in areas where they are convenient either. Radical democracy on all fronts permeating everything from bottom to top where the art is concerned. We will defer to the better judgment and experience of the BMorg on everything else. And don ’t think for one second that we don ’t think they do a great job. They do. They will continue to. And their voices will be heard too, as everyone ’s voice in a democracy is heard. It ’s the art, stupid. Everyone at least agrees on that. How can any reasonable participatory community possibly not embrace the idea of guest curators for the art and the general selection of what we want to fund? They can ’t. I am betting my sweet bippy on it.

Chaos will provide
It always does. The people are demanding their event back. They want a truthful Burning Man. They don't want thematic Disneyland. They want radical democracy.

Public forum this Saturday
Right now a lot of people have a lot of great ideas. It ’s not our place to say “We want to hear them …”as we don ’t want any control save our fair and equal share but we should have a way to get together and talk. The Odeon this Saturday night will do nicely. For people who don ’t live near us, you can call the Odeon: 415-550-6994 and talk to someone. We are excited to speak to people face to face as the internet just doesn ’t cut it for things like this. I look forward to meeting some of the many people who I have been emailing with but have not met as of yet. We will start our modest agenda at 9:00 If you want to do your homework beforehand, tinyurl.com/615lh and mull it over a bit. I encourage you to sign the petition and leave your .02 cents in the comments section. Enjoy the ride, I am....

Myself, Jim Mason, the Shipyard and the entire Odeon thank you for your input, support and death threats. Keep them coming. We havn ’t been so excited about BM in years. In fact, Burning Man 2005 has already begun....

I appreciate you forwarding this to anyone you think might find it relevant.

Your humble servent,

Chicken John
Defender of Justice

natthebat · Post by **natthebat** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 9:27 pm

I love you Chicken John! Welcome home.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:37 pm

Honestly? I'm still kinda overwhelmed by it all. Really, I'm not sure I have an opinion at this point. And I wouldn't know Chicken John from Adam, but yeah, what nat said...

I'm more optimistic about the event than I've been in years, I'll tell you that.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:49 pm

Your talking democracy what about term limits such as:

No artist working individually or in collaboration with a group or a group of artists in collaboration can receive more than two grants in a 5 year period.

Spread the wealth spread the opportunity, expand the experience.

Goatfoot · Post by **Goatfoot** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:52 pm

Chicken I remember when you ...well you...yeah thats right you, fuck it you know.

Again who gives a shit....I tried inviting my friends from Io and they didnt come either

Goatfoot
(I think I vomited on your shoes once)

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sat Nov 20, 2004 11:57 pm

Zulegoona wrote:Your talking democracy what about term limits such as:

No artist working individually or in collaboration with a group or a group of artists in collaboration can receive more than two grants in a 5 year period.

Spread the wealth spread the opportunity, expand the experience.

that is a legitimate point. it would be nice to see if the org even will give it a second thought.

Goatfoot · Post by **Goatfoot** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:00 am

Please come Mr. John,
As one of your freaking regulars, I still think Nora Jones is better looking. Wanna really do something? Find Extreme Elvis and bring him to BRC. Yeah tickets are high but I am soooooo much higher!!

Goatfoot

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:01 pm

Zulegoona wrote:Your talking democracy what about term limits such as:

No artist working individually or in collaboration with a group or a group of artists in collaboration can receive more than two grants in a 5 year period.

Spread the wealth spread the opportunity, expand the experience.

Starting with Larry?

andi · Post by **andi** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:31 pm

You want term limits? Sounds like you don't want to limit it to just the art. If that is the case you are going to have to face a stark decision, you want to keep Burning man as a private party in the desert, fine, do away with everything thousands of people in the Project have built up over almost 20 years. But it you want Burning Man to become much more than what it is, spread out to new regions, perhaps even change the world, than we NEED a coherant, responsible, and workable organization. You don't need democratic institiutions to get people to work together and have everyone invested in the process, we have been doing just fine for quite a while now.

I think so many of you are drawn to these "democratic ideas" like voting and term limits because it sounds right and romantic. You have no idea how things are actually working in the Project now, or what is going on, I blame the Project for not communicating effectively and in essence creating this mess.

Can we open up the process and bring in more of the community? By all means we can and we should, and it just so happens that the Project was beginning to make that shift right as this petition came out. Even if we were to fully adopt the proposals in the petition, it would take a LOT of time and energy to implement it if we want to do it right and not have the event suffer. This proposal is NOT as easy and clear-cut as it's authors make it sound. You are being mis-informed, there is much more to this mess than simple declarations and demands.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:54 pm

Wonder what Pepe has to say about this?

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:06 pm

You are being mis-informed, there is much more to this mess than simple declarations and demands.

The more I read this, the more I feel like a Coup D'etat attempt is starting here. The messenger is becoming more important than the message and the tragedy of that is the change many of us agree is needed will be shot down or lost in the midst of this ego stroking, power play madness.

The LLC's current way of doing business in regards to art and dealing with the populace must be reviewed. It needs to be transparent, and keeping that discussion buried here on the e-playa is not enough. This needs attention from the ORG in a very prominent way. I wish they would address this on the main page of the website and setup a special or mini-eplaya section so that we can capture more of the BM attendees than the eplaya will offer. Quite a few people avoid the eplaya for several reasons and they need to be made part of this discussion. Keeping it here or scattered about various lists will accomplish nothing, it's like the divide and conquer strategy at work.

Thanks to the ultimatum, the genie is out of the bottle. It's up to the rest of us to team up, capture the thing and get our 3 wishes from it before stuffing it back in that bottle. I hope this community can do it. And with those 3 wishes we can end up with a stronger event for all....it's worth the effort.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:21 pm

Unfortunately Mr. K. I don’t think that will happen though you are right about how the discussions should come about.
Why I feel this way is, it's already gotten this far without being addressed from the org.
Sure there is still time before the event but as you and I both know sometimes it takes a long time before something is done about what some of us think is important.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:26 pm

Frankly I'm not all enthused about democracy And I don't really think the petitioners are either.

With all the drama of Luther nailing the theses to the wall the petition was brought forth Making illations to reformation. Considering that Luther didn't receive any moneys from the sales of indulgences ( tickets to the vault of heaven as it were ) I Find the petition terribly Ironic. The idea of putting a source of funding into the hands of those who would be receiving the funding seems insane. There probably are problems with the way things are and I'm not apposed to change. Nor do I really want to see the Artists that have brought so much to Burning Man denied the opportunity to continue bringing art to the Playa . I do think however if any role of deciding who gets the funding goes to the relatively small group of participants that receive the funding there needs to be some controls over that process. If they want to decide who the funding goes to they should not be eligible to receive it themselves or in effect their wives family members or people in their collective.

I don't see Larry as an evil dictator nor do I see an advantage of overthrowing him particularly for a new dictator that's dressed up as a populist revolutionary leader even though he's been one of the funded elite. I think the idea of the rotating committee logistically unlikely to work in the long run and I don't see much difference if the Shipyard, or the Seemen doing it it's still the same small group. I could see outside curators hired to deal with it but that would eat into the pool of money, still it might be worth it to put this to rest.

nipples · Post by **nipples** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:17 pm

In 2002, Ladybee curated Queequeegs Coffin to a high profile location, the first on the left as you walk from Center Camp to The Man.

I am an was an unknown, grantless & not seeking one, & had only a description & a few pictures of components, and she placed me graciously.

It was & is my hope that I had not let you all down, that her eye had not faultered.

The only ones whom came up to me critically (without appreciation or enjoyment of what I had offered as a gift..) were those seeking to know if I had recieved a GRANT.

That's all I know about that.

Here is a link to a virtual reality tour of Queequeegs' Coffin, as recorded by the artist Charles Evans... go to column on right, sixth photo down:

http://vrm.vrway.com/issue11/BURNING_MA ... IENCE.html

sincerely,

nipples

graced with Trinity
on
Queequegs' Coffin

andi · Post by **andi** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:21 pm

Tancorix you are totally right on the money. The Project need to come out publicly (perhaps by Monday, Tuesday when the JRS usually comes out?) and address this issue and set up a town hall meeting where everyone can talk about it face to face. I would do a live meeting 2-4 weeks from now, time enough to put this meeting together (yes organizing something like this does take a lot of time, work, and money), time enough to let tempers subside, and enough time to allow as many people as possible to get educated on what people are saying and what is really going on to form a logical and not emotional conclusion.

This problem of communication has led us to this point, and open communication is what is going to get us out of it. Burning Man should have a more robust website incorporating functions seen in their own extranet, Tribe, Six Degree Burn, and include areas for all of the Regional groups, themecamps, and other burner groups. They should be a worldwide "burner portal", perhaps with a $10-20 yearly subscription that comes free with purchase of a ticket, to pay for it.

We would have one home where anyone could start their own little group, and we would have one central place to communicate. A much more robust burner news section would also be very good for the community. The JRS is great and it is all most of us have, something like Salon with up to the minute news on Burning Man activity at HQ in SF and from every Regional around the world.

Perhaps if we are more tightly connected as a community we would be better able to discuss issues of importance and solve problem in a less dramatic manner. I know a lot of you will be screaming "what the hell that's COMMERCE!", to that I say, the only places we engage in 100% gift economy/100% anti-consumerism, is on the playa or at Regional events. Guess what, the whole REST of the time we live in what many of us call the "default world", and there the gift economy will only get you so far. The Project figured this out years ago around 1996, and has since then built an organization that has kept this event and thriving when everyone constantly thought it would fail.

There are many fault lines in our community (conservative vs progressive, partier vs connecter, taker vs giver) and I believe one struggle in particular is most at work in our current "manifesting genie".

There are some I call Burning Man Conservatives, they romanticize the early days, get the most bent out of shape with the growing population, think John Law leaving the event was the worst thing that ever happened, they hate the law and want their freedom above all else, and they get the most upset when there are new rules established. Conservatives reminisce on the days of old with all of the great stuff that happened, compared to the shit you see today. They like it the way it was way back on the first day on the playa, and think of Burning Man as more of a friendly egalitarian society, where consensus rules and there is no hierarchy.

Burning Man Progressives look at the event as: an ongoing experiment and evolution, each year brings new opportunities to do something new, we have grown so large that we have to start thinking outside of the event (like the Regional Network), we can overcome problems of the past by setting up structures, organization, and rules to remedy them. Progressives relate our communal "trip" as being more like surfing, than a totally planned out thing, the event can be managed but it could never possibly be controlled. You set you sights on a goal, make a theme, invite others to contribute, who knows what the end result will look like, but it will start looking a lot more like what you want the more you are organized and the more planning you do. Progressives look at us as all working together with burners each filling a role doing what they do best and generally call this a do-ocracy (those who step up to the plate and do things will get to make the decisions).

I believe our current perception that art and Participation is at an all time relative low is because of the growth and shift in the population, but not exactly like people think. Until 1996 or so the event doubled in population every year (that would make 50% of attendees in all those years newbies) and then the growth started to slow, the rate of growth of the population from 2003 to 2004 was the smallest yet. Also, going back before 1996 you started to see waves of old timers dropping off, this accelerated in 1996. It is impossible to know in absolute terms but from the available data and a LOT of anecdotal evidence, there seems to have been near 50% newbies at each event since 1996 as well.

Having been to the playa 7 times I have noticed a pattern in burners. Your first year you are fresh and new, it's all so exciting, you wish you knew more about it and could have prepared better. Your second year you come back prepared, perhaps overdoing it, the city is great, there is so much to go out and see and do, your loving it. Your third year you go all prepared and pumped up but everything seems not quite as shiny and new, you act like an old-timer showing newbies the ropes, after all the drama, expense, and exhaustion you start asking yourself "why am I doing this?". Statistically not many people make it back for 4 years, and the numbers get even smaller the higher you go.

In my experience the only way to keep Burning Man worthwhile in years 3+ is to give something back, make a themecamp, volunteer, make playa art. Those who not engaged tend to not make it back. So now here in 2004 we have come to a point where the majority of people in BRC are either coming for the first time or it is their 2nd or 3rd trip. There is a growth curve when it comes to Participation, so naturally we have a relative decline in Participation (oddly even as the raw number of people Participating has increased).

What is the solution? Pay off a couple of local SF artists to "resurrect all the good art like from the days of old"? That is a band-aid on a huge gash. What we really need to do is to strengthen our community, we need to pump up the Regionals, they are the ones who can do the most to help. Old-timer burners who get sick of the playa and what it has grown to can go to a wealth of great Regional events which are in many ways just like early Burning Man. These veterans can help to educate newbies so when they hit the playa they will be a LOT more informed and Participation levels will reach new heights.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:24 pm

nice vr site. cant belive that BM would finally be in 3d.

When I did it and showed it to Danger in 92 or 94 seemed like either no one got it or they did'nt belive I actually did it.

No chance of a grant then.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 9:49 am

Goatfoot wrote:Please come Mr. John,
As one of your freaking regulars, I still think Nora Jones is better looking. Wanna really do something? Find Extreme Elvis and bring him to BRC. Yeah tickets are high but I am soooooo much higher!!

Goatfoot

I've got a petition demanding that Britney Spears be paid 10% of gate fees to play at Burning Man. Sign the Britney Spears in Black Rock City (BSinBRC) petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/bsinbrc/petition.html

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:12 am

so far i can't think of a 'better' alternative except the forums that Jim Mason refuses to read, but for those who are concerned that this will turn SF centric this meeting should be of some concern.

jimmason · Post by **jimmason** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:28 am

some regional groups have found our proposal to be san francisco centric, where in fact, what we are trying to do is the opposite. the proposed guest curator position would likely become a place for successful regional groups to come back to the center event and have a core role. about half of the proposed guest curators on our original petition are from outside the bay area. the goal is new blood, from near and faraway. genevieve just proposed on tribe the notion of having regional art selection/curation/organization parties. that's a great a great idea. we are trying to affirm the distributed nature of burning man, not "retake" it for us san franciscans. that day is past. the current trajectory of distribution and regionals is more interesting and we are proposing to affirm it with better tools. please, read carefully.

the voting also affirms the distributed natures of the project. sure there are some modest technical and logistical challenges to doing it, and voting doesn't always produce the best results, but it sure does enfranchise people. it makes them feel like they own the thing they are voting over.

having people vote about core bman decisions like the art funding or guest curators, or the theme will greatly increase people's sense of ownership in the event. they will care more, participate more, and arrive on the playa excited to see the projects they voted for and/or go start working on them. they will get invested in the art earlier and be more likely to end up finding projects they want to help with, either pre or during playa.

i read some of these comments and i'm in utter disbelief at notions like "no, i don't want my democracy. i want my leaders to make all the decisions for me". what? maybe not everyone deserves this event, seriously.

this event is fundamentally about having faith in the people. that people empowered to think and do and create what they want will do much more impressive things than people with imaginations controlled through some top down structure. it is about having faith in a people deeply empowered.

proposing voting is our vote that we are a community that is smart, creative, capable and will do the right thing. that the products of a collaboration of the many is nearly always better than the products of a single person, or just a few. and the product of a colalboration is most always a community, which is the point here.

the entire history of burning man has shown these truths to be self-evident. we are only proposing to further distribute the tools we have found to be so deeply successful already.

jim

technopatra · Post by **technopatra** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 10:42 am

Jim, as a matter of etiquette and of being able to have better discussions with folks here, I ask that you respond with original posts, rather than cut'n'pasting the same ones from Tribe. If foks here wanted to have those coversations, they would be on Tribe.

Feel free to link to your Tribe responses if you wish, but please treat this community with the respect it deserves by answering/discussing with them directly. You will have much more success this way.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:04 am

jimmason wrote:some regional groups have found our proposal to be san francisco centric, where in fact, what we are trying to do is the opposite. the proposed guest curator position would likely become a place for successful regional groups to come back to the center event and have a core role. about half of the proposed guest curators on our original petition are from outside the bay area. the goal is new blood, from near and faraway. genevieve just proposed on tribe the notion of having regional art selection/curation/organization parties. that's a great a great idea. we are trying to affirm the distributed nature of burning man, not "retake" it for us san franciscans. that day is past. the current trajectory of distribution and regionals is more interesting and we are proposing to affirm it with better tools. please, read carefully.
blah blah blah

No, Jim, YOU read carefully.
I was clearly not referring to my own fear, but to others' concerns.

Actually, Jim, forget carefully for now. Just read.

listen carefully. your disingenuous interaction with this community and your apparent disrepect for us are severely undermining whatever good ideas/intentions you may have in many circles here.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:05 am

The Project need to come out publicly (perhaps by Monday, Tuesday when the JRS usually comes out?) and address this issue and set up a town hall meeting where everyone can talk about it face to face. I would do a live meeting 2-4 weeks from now, time enough to put this meeting together (yes organizing something like this does take a lot of time, work, and money), time enough to let tempers subside, and enough time to allow as many people as possible to get educated on what people are saying and what is really going on to form a logical and not emotional conclusion.

I'm not sure a town hall meeting is that urgent at this point. The logistics of putting one together especially as we roll into the holidays probably makes things doubly difficult as far as finding appropriate venues. I *do* think a meeting of sorts is necessary and should be looked at with a target date of mid to late January but have to question whether putting one together would be productive given the acrimony that the petition has generated so far. Perhaps a point/counter-point format representing *both sides of the issue Larry et Jim or have a two groups making up the panel. Maybe just let the forum be a place where ideas/positions/'sides' use the format to articulate the suggestions, complaints, strengths, weaknesses, ect. so that everyone is on board with the discussion. Give it time to have those issues discussed both locally and regionally and then come back later in the winter and put it out there with a second meeting. That way, people outside of the bay area can have their input thrown into the discussion rather than it be a Harvey v. Mason WWC Smackdown. Just some ideas.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:36 am

I'm waiting for someone to make a valid argument that most of the current art, or specifically the funded art, is either boring, bad, or bad for Burning Man.

I have my own opinions, of course, but I'm not a fucking artist, or curator.

Larry's kids choose artists for all sorts of things -- the postcard mailers, the Survival Guide, the eplaya, on up to the David Best Temple [TM].

What's wrong with printing and coding everything in 10-pt Helvetica? How about just shipping a big pile of firewood and some drums of gas out to the playa? Somebody... please... why wouldn't Heather and Jason do a better job building a bonfire?

What makes funding applicants so fucking special? How self-reliant is it to suck up to an art jury?

A pox on all their houses -- somebody hand me a torch.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:47 am

how simply refreshing a post from bob can be.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:00 pm

Badger wrote:
I'm not sure a town hall meeting is that urgent at this point. The logistics of putting one together especially as we roll into the holidays probably makes things doubly difficult as far as finding appropriate venues.

Hey now Badger, I think you're seriously belittling Chicken John's efforts here. What could be more productive than getting a bunch of concerned burners to congregate in a crowded loud bar where you paid a cover charge to sit in small groups and discuss the issue over loud music and the only interaction between said small groups is a twenty-first century carnie hustler wandering from table to table telling everybody why their opinions are wrong? What could possibly be more conducisive to a positive conclusion of this whole controversey than that?

As long as Badger keeeps buying rounds of tequila shots, that is.

Tancorix · Post by **Tancorix** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:33 pm

As long as Badger keeeps buying rounds of tequila shots, that is.

So that explains why we heard little about the "first meeting". I wondered.

technopatra · Post by **technopatra** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 2:55 pm

For there record, I showed up kinda late for the "meeting" refused to pay the cover charge, was called a cheapskate and was let in anyway. I wasn't throwing weight around, but I spend so much damn time talking about Burning Man that the idea of paying for the privilege was not cool. Then Chicken bought us a drink and I bought the door guy a drink and Badger was buying rounds for everyone.

We did have a fun conversation that moved to the taqueria down the block when the doors closed and ended up with some hilarious guy named Ryan throwing little bits of salsa and not-so-little cebollitas at Jim, who managed to maintain a rather impressive amount of composure and kept eating his burrito.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:15 pm

not-so-little cebollitas at Jim,

Those were my cebollitas decorating Jim's hair. Still, I wish I had pics. Jim's chlorophyll rasta dreads that night were...interesting.

Bob · Post by **Bob** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:33 pm

Vandalize the artist, not the art.

playasnake · Post by **playasnake** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 4:57 pm

six word samurai

Chicken John reveals his inner Hippie

Chicken John reveals his inner Hippie

sf centric? take my democracy from me, now!

Re: sf centric? take my democracy from me, now!