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[leafx]

ok yall, logistics booked (flying in/out of reno from chicago, burner express in/out of BRC, hotels day before/after, bike rental w/ playa side pick up) but now its time to gear up and i need you guys to tell me im doing it wrong, planning wise and everything else related to preparation (shelter, clothing, food/drink etc); apologies in advance for mentioning brands, and this long ass post (admin/mod please feel free to edit this if im saying anything against rules)
minor details about me/this trip: 27, male, a rolling solo birgin; aside from above, i have not arranged anything plug n play related or really talked to (m)any camps. planning on camping in a tent, which i still have to buy along with almost everything else. this is where you interneters can help with or shoot down ideas, im taking all tips/suggestions/advice/criticism on all gear/supply that i need to bring in / buy at my savemart trip
i am supposed to borrow some big REI backpacking pack from a friend, which has been used for week long camping trips in yellowstone/yosemite places like that etc; i chose this backpack option instead of luggage because i want to be hands free when i arrive in reno, but not when i reach BRC because each of those hands will be carrying a 5 gal water jug, 50 lbs each right? will probably also have a side duffel bag / camelbak

shelter: i want to buy a big agnes tent, small and light weight enough so it can fit in my backpack but durable enough to withstand these gale force winds im hearing about, and any potential rain
- tent options:
https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detai ... ktail2Copy
https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detai ... ble3mtnglo
^ will buy a footprint with it
can anyone recommend these or advise against using them? they come with a fly which i hope will help block out some of the playa dust... maybe the tent is too 'light'?? obviously i will be staking it down heavily and all my gear will be inside weighing it down so it doesnt get blown away. if these suck, please suggest something with same price range

- sleep: on a cot, in a bag
i found someone posted this in a random thread around here, i want something identical or similar (can anyone suggest?), looks super light weight and sturdy. yeah i realize in cots you cant sleep with anyone given the limited space but whatever, no one is gonna want to sex me anyways though - ill be dirty, probably wont shower lol

^ probably bring it outside from the tent during the day, use it as a bench or something with my imaginary squad
as for the sleeping bag, probably borrowing from the same previously mentioned backpack friend; if no bag, layer up!!

- shade: i have no clue what im doing with shade. considering adding this to my big agnes arsenal but maybe not, not sure i can carry it
https://www.bigagnes.com/Products/Detai ... eltersmall
aside from that, i plan on bringing no shade structure and have a secret agenda of just becoming friends w/ neighbors, i dont mooch too much i promise; i will also be looking for open land that is behind like a tall trailer/RV/or something so it can block winds and shade me for a couple hours a day
or just be hanging out at center camp or temple all day

transportation: ive reserved a rental bike already from hammer and cyclery, basic beach cruiser w/ kit, love their play off hammer and sickle; will be using it daily but i still need to buy el wire, pretty sure thats straight forward
i booked my burner express tickets w/ extra luggage already too, which isnt really luggage but space for those two 5-gal water jugs; i understand i get dropped off at 6:15 and J, and theres the local camping spot HOVerlandia at 6:15 and I. well im taking the 1230pm trip on tuesday sep 1, so i dont expect to reach BRC until 5pm-ish, will HOVerlandia be too full by then?? will i be able to find space close by? i am carrying 100lbs in my arms and maybe 50lbs+ on my back, not trying to walk too far... also, when is sundown? will setting up my one tent be a bitch in the dusk??
^ if i do have to find a spot far away from drop off, what are the chances i can leave 5-gal jugs of water laying around and not have them stolen? thinking ill be taking multiple trips back and forth... oh and what direction should i go? i heard towards 2, 3:00 and 9, 10:00 becomes a party but not sure which side is 'more like me'

food & drink (drugs):
- food: i think im gonna buy like, 10 bags of space food / MREs and pack it in my backpack along w/ tent and clothes, not bringing a stove or anything; i hope they last me the 5 days im there (tuesday evening through sunday morning) and ive read appetite is low when youre on the playa. i believe that. ill probably buy some shelf snacks at the save mart like raw almonds and beef jerky and jam them in the duffel. i know the munchies will hit sometime and ill need more food, i think ill help a camp cook for a hot meal

- drink: i plan on buying two 5-gal water jugs at the savemart, does this seam reasonable? i know its gonna be a pain in the dick to carry but whatever, necessity to live. i will be porting/dumping this into my water bottle / camelbak carrying it around with me. will also use this water in a jerry rigged shower, plastic water bottle with holes punctured in the cap.
will also probably pick up 12pack of beer and a liter of tequila, i know this wont last (probably more than 1 day), but again, imaginary friends
^ HOW DO I BRING MORE BOOZE???

- drugs: (mod feel free to delete if this is against rules) im not bringing any on my plane, so how do i find them? are people 'gifting' them lol, barter exchange, or am i gonna need some cash? seriously, looking for like an oz of weed over the week and some very fun play play for the nights on the weekend
^ NEED TO ALTER MY MIND

clothing & playawear:
ummmm, bringing tons of basics: white tees, underwear, socks, running shoes, maybe some boots, long sleeve denim/flannel shirts for night and possibly day for protection from sun, maybe a hoody/crewneck. shorts, jeans, various caps and bucket hats, sunglasses, what else am i missing?
i gotta participate in costuming right? im thinking of just being a big baby walking around in my pampers trying to channel ghandi, i also have a fresh kimono that could help keep deez nuts nice and cool, i dunno - i look pretty goofy already; i have santa outfits but its gonna be hot af out there not sure i can wear wool pants and a jacket
now wheres my mad hatter hat from disneyland??
can anyone suggest some sweet goggles / dust masks? maybe ill just use my osha mask from painting?

power & illumination:
none what so ever, im trying to unplug. maybe charge my phone and if i bring one a gopro via neighbors. who needs power?
- illumination: el wire for my bike, what do i put on my body? probably should bring a flashlight / headlamp

packing: this is where im mildly freaking out, pretty sure im bringing too little? but i have limited space, ugh. i know theres packing lists everywhere i should double check on
backpack: tent, cot, sleeping bag/pad if can fit, clothes, supplies (med, toiletries, etc)
duffel: clothes, food, more supplies, extra drink if can fit


i feel like im getting dropped off in the middle of no where with at least a tent, what a wonderful mental and physical test, about fucking time
what am i missing (besides nerves of steel and peace of mind)? please eplaya, rip me apart
excited to see you all

[Eric]

- drugs: (mod feel free to delete if this is against rules) im not bringing any on my plane, so how do i find them? are people 'gifting' them lol, barter exchange, or am i gonna need some cash? seriously, looking for like an oz of weed over the week and some very fun play play for the nights on the weekend
^ NEED TO ALTER MY MIND

You are going onto Federal land, into a city with more law enforcement presence per capita than pretty much any other city in the country (County sheriffs, BLM, ATF, etc, as well as Tribal Police on the way in), and those departments all have undercover agents, and you want to ask online how to score drugs??? Man, you were right to ask for snark, but I'm just going to lay out reality instead.

All state & Federal laws are in effect, and Nevada has some extremely expensive tickets for even paraphernalia, let alone drugs. Do not endanger anyone's vehicle that you're riding in by bringing drugs without telling them (vehicles can & do get stopped for minor infractions on the way in), don't be an idiot on the playa running around trying to buy them (everyone will just think you're undercover and you'll be ignored. A lot.)

There is booze to be had everywhere. Strike up a conversation, get a drink, learn to deal with that as your mind-alteration for a week. The event itself will alter it enough anyway.

[Farmgirl]

I'll try to be as nice as possible, but we are VERY different people! I come to thrive and relax, not merely survive from one high to the next. My first instinct is to tell you not to come. Wait a few years and mature a bit. But since I think you are set on coming to party I'll try to offer advice. Scrap all your plans and start over. First, that tent is soooo wrong in every way. Did you even read the survival guide. And yes, you will have to walk a ways. The raver party types are closer to the edges. And if you would consider a cot over a shade structure you're insane. You are going to end up someone's problem. Last year I took care of someone who partied all night and their bodies were a wreck. They needed cold compresses, electrolytes, sustenance, and rest in cool air to help their body recover every day. I've been in a survival situation before, and I don't know why you would do this to yourself willingly!? The mental and physical stress of mere survival is not my idea of a good time. Mature enough to want to plan properly for this and come prepared! Read the survival guide. And don't think you can just ride in on the bus and carry everything you need to find a place to camp. Sure, someone will probably take care of you, but keep in mind you will be a burden and suck energy from them and their camp. And don't be the d-bag who showers on the playa ground, it's illegal and rude. At the very least there is a camp that does big group showers and knows how to manage the grey water. And be nice to your body, nutrition is important in life and on the playa! Take care of it, it's the only one you get! Good luck!

[GreyCoyote]

Do we have to wait for page two?

Suggestion: read the recent thread on supplemental medical insurance that will cover life flight expenses.

[leafx]

ok, re-planning and re-thinking the whole thing already, im determined to do this though
i definitely came out hot and off wrong, im not the party kid that is trying to be a burden....but like to mix in some fun and wild on my adventure of meeting all sorts of people; i know how to control myself and ive already made a promise to myself to not be a mess until the very last day/night

[FIGJAM]

Take care of the essentials first and the "party" stuff will take care of itself!!!

[Captain Goddammit]

- drugs: (mod feel free to delete if this is against rules)
^ NEED TO ALTER MY MIND

I wish I could delete you from the whole event

[leafx]

- drugs: (mod feel free to delete if this is against rules)
^ NEED TO ALTER MY MIND

I wish I could delete you from the whole event

Sorry to disappoint you Captain, ive literally been reading everything you have to say as you seem very well versed in this world. i very much enjoyed the recent discussion on joining a camp and getting involved
ill stay quiet and re-evaluate, still going though.

[JayBobBoy]

Just the fact that your here 3 months before the event and willing to take advice...

You are way ahead of the curve. Keep reading through the info here. It is essential.

If no one has said this to you yet, let me be the first. The first year you come, the number one gift you can bring to the community is to be fully prepared to take care of yourself. Once that is done, you will be free to find whatever your heart desires. Burners (even the e-playa ones) will go out of their way to help those who are willing to help themselves.

Read through here, come up with a plan, and execute. Don't rely on anyone but yourself to get it done!

[AntiM]

Here is the tent we use, NO MESH, and it sets up fast:

http://www.campmor.com/sixty-second-set ... tent.shtml

Your other tent choice sucks. Too much mesh, you'd die. Get a good self inflating thermarest pad, forgot the stupid cot. Get some aluminet or shade cloth for over the tent and you're golden.

Other people's shade? You suck and are going to die.

MREa are fine but will plug you up and you will want to die. Almonds help that, but look at dried fruit too. Or nut/fruit bars. I would not plan on helping in a kitchen of a camp you don't know, but hot meals sometimes happen at random.

Your shower plan sucks. Get a mister bottle, acts as a quick shower AND a personal cooling system. A few baby wipes would not go amiss. Or stay dirty, you will not die.

You won't need much more booze, bring a cup and hit the bars. There is an ocean of booze on the playa. You won't need to drink as much as you think, it hits harder at elevation when you're dehydrated. You will not die of lack of booze.

Drugs? You will die in jail.

Costumes? Hit up one of the many boutiques or costume closets. You will need something warm like a jacket at night. Hoody for sure. Don't sweat the costumes, like playa names, they can just happen.

Illumination: look for some battery operated christmas or fairy lights for your body. They had them at the dollar store last week. A headlamp and a flashlight for sure. You will die if you are a darkwad.

Packing: not having a cot will free up a lot of room.

Posting on eplaya: you can't die of snark. Welcome.

[VultureChow]

See basically what you did here was walk into a party already in progress where you don't know anyone. Flopped on the couch (nearly crushing the host's cat in the process) and shouted "Hey! Can I get some shrooms over here? No way I'm staying at this lame ass party unless I'm high."

That said, I will walk you through the major flaws in your plan because I'm avoiding doing productive work right now.

1) Tent. Bad move. Way too much mesh. The rain fly will not effectively keep out the dust. Recommend you find one without so much mesh and any mesh it does have should be covered by you. Invest in some sturdy stakes. I'm a fan of the 12" military stakes you can get on ebay. I've never had one pull out.

2)Cot- Sure. If you can fit it. Either that or bring a sleeping pad and maybe a chair. You can easily doze off in a chair and you need less shade to fit under. Also, people manage to have sex out there way more than I thought when I first contemplated going, dust and filth be damned.

3)Shade- Actually your mooching system seems like the best plan Some people manage to rig something with a light weight shade and some expandable poles. It requires good staking and guy lines. If I had to burner express on my own I'd try that and also add an extra bottle or two of booze to share with my new shady friends.

4) Transportation- Read this post:https://eplaya.burningman.org/viewtopic ... 0#p1043968 While the logistics of the actual ride and will call might be different this year is is extremely good at explaining HOW to pack.

5)Food & Drink-Whatever you get to eat, try it first. You should like what you are eating and not just take it because it's light. I have a tendency to forget to eat out there until I start to crash. Then I grab a handful of pepperoni and cram it in my mouth all at once. I wouldn't worry so much about being SUPER healthy. Eat what you like.

Drink- Good on the water. Remember you can buy ice out there, and ice becomes delicious, tasty water when it melts. Since you have no grey water system mentioned, I don't recommend the hole punch shower method. Think more along the lines of a whore's or sponge bath. Bits and pitts. Also baby wipes.

Booze- Again read the thread I linked to above. There's a stop at a convenience store for food a bathroom. You can buy booze there that won't count towards your baggage limit. Obviously hard alcohol will get you more bang by weight and volume. Also, cargo pants maybe? Extra fifths slipped into every pocket?

Drugs- BLM rangers can tell you where to find the good stuff. Ask them.

6)Clothing: Fuck anyone that says you have to costume. A kimono sounds lovely, though. Bring extra socks.

7) Lighting- Christ. Why am I still doing this. It just goes on and on. The new trend this year will be radium paint. The girls love it.

Packing- Again see the link above. When in doubt, I understand the rectum can hold a surprising amount of supplies.

[Dr. Pyro]

It seems to me, after reading this yahoo's posts, now would be a pretty good time to reintroduce guns into Black Rock City.

[The Rod]

There are a few folks on this board who like to pretend that half the folks at BM are not actually in altered states and oh my fucking god I cannot believe that someone is planning on or wanting to do drugs at Burning Man. gasp.

Law enforcement is reading his board, they've probably already traced your IP, now they know where you live and boy I hope your ready to spend the rest of your life staring at a concrete wall somewhere in northern Nevada. Way to blow it, pal.

/Snark off: Figjam has good advice, often things have a way of sorting themselves out, serendipity is a thing. But be careful! This is not like some other festival where it's socially acceptable to run around trying to score drugs.

Don't camp next to farmgirl or you might have to spend all day laying around with a cold compress...

I drive a big ass truck with a big ass trailer packed full of crap and still wish I had brought more crap, I don't know exactly how people on the Burner express pull it off, but thousands of burners have done it successfully for the last couple of years, so it is totally possible to live well out there and not just survive. It looks like you've done some reading and preparation and now you're here asking the experts. Keep reading.

Don't forget to bring a gift though! It's what the economy is based on, doesn't necessarily have to be a material thing per se, could be helping the neighbors with set up and break down (like with that big shade structure they brought.. maybe there's room for a big agnes tent to squeeze in?). The small backpacking tent is good for saving pace on the bus, and also if you like owning a backpacking tent, but the playa may well destroy it so maybe you want a cheap coleman or ozark trail thing? having your tent under shade is almost crucial if you want to sleep in privacy any time after 7:30 am, so for the guy who wants to party all night it's important. If space is an issue you could always grab a 10x12 tarp, a hundred feet of decent rope, some decent stakes or playa staples, learn how to tie some knots and maybe your neighbors that you helped won't mind you tying it off to one of their big structures or RVs.

And yes, as I said serendipity is a thing and it's definitely amplified out there- usually you'll find what you're looking for out there but don't depend on it for things that are vital, cover your own ass, be radically self reliant so farmgirl doesn't have to take care of you.

[The Rod]

and really... who the hell goes to Burning man to not party?

[lucky420]

There are a few folks on this board who like to pretend that half the folks at BM are not actually in altered states and oh my fucking god I cannot believe that someone is planning on or wanting to do drugs at Burning Man. gasp.

Law enforcement is reading his board, they've probably already traced your IP, now they know where you live and boy I hope your ready to spend the rest of your life staring at a concrete wall somewhere in northern Nevada. Way to blow it, pal.

/Snark off: Figjam has good advice, often things have a way of sorting themselves out, serendipity is a thing. But be careful! This is not like some other festival where it's socially acceptable to run around trying to score drugs.

Don't camp next to farmgirl or you might have to spend all day laying around with a cold compress...

I drive a big ass truck with a big ass trailer packed full of crap and still wish I had brought more crap, I don't know exactly how people on the Burner express pull it off, but thousands of burners have done it successfully for the last couple of years, so it is totally possible to live well out there and not just survive. It looks like you've done some reading and preparation and now you're here asking the experts. Keep reading.

Don't forget to bring a gift though! It's what the economy is based on, doesn't necessarily have to be a material thing per se, could be helping the neighbors with set up and break down (like with that big shade structure they brought.. maybe there's room for a big agnes tent to squeeze in?). The small backpacking tent is good for saving pace on the bus, and also if you like owning a backpacking tent, but the playa may well destroy it so maybe you want a cheap coleman or ozark trail thing? having your tent under shade is almost crucial if you want to sleep in privacy any time after 7:30 am, so for the guy who wants to party all night it's important. If space is an issue you could always grab a 10x12 tarp, a hundred feet of decent rope, some decent stakes or playa staples, learn how to tie some knots and maybe your neighbors that you helped won't mind you tying it off to one of their big structures or RVs.

And yes, as I said serendipity is a thing and it's definitely amplified out there- usually you'll find what you're looking for out there but don't depend on it for things that are vital, cover your own ass, be radically self reliant so farmgirl doesn't have to take care of you.

Who the hell is farmgirl?

[The Rod]

2nd response to OP. As my example of the nice and caring burner neighbor who has to take care of the unprepared newbies.

[Captain Goddammit]

You asked for snark...
Plus most people who need to do drugs tend to be... shall we say, less productive.

[LowePro]

The tent is expensive and too much mesh. You can get by with a FallMart tent, look for very little mesh.

You don't mention anything about trash management. You need trash/moop bags in your kit, esp if you're doing MRE's. MRE's have a lot of packaging. Bring a few apples or canned tuna or soup? Try to De-package as much of your stuff as you can, remove boxes, bags, bubble wrap *at home*. No one else is going to take your trash for you so please figure trash disposal into your equation.

We've used a shade-sail thing like that over a tent and it's OK, for a small/light structure. But you MUST stake it down with rebar stakes or lagscrews. The stakes that come with your tent and shade-tripod will not hold down, I can promise you that.

Booze--pour stuff out of the glass into plastic soda bottles. Lighter, easier to haul in and out. Cans of beer only, no bottles. A flask is your friend. Liquor is stronger and lighter than beer. Gatorade powder or electrolytes:lightweight and awesome.

Scrap the cot. Use a sleeping pad or air mattress. You could borrow an air pump from a neighbor. That's not overly-moochy in my book, if someone from Burner Express asked to borrow my air pump I would let them.

Clothes--you don't need much during the day, a few outfits is enough. Socks and undies and at least 1 warm outfit for nighttime is critical. Googles, dust mask, boots, sun hat, sunglasses, bandana. You can get by with short-shorts and a hat by day if you really need to. A folding compact umbrella is worth more than an extra pair of pants.

Lighting is easy, get 3 or 4 battery Xmas lights (auctionBay) and use them on your bike and your body. Flashlight. Head lamp. Extra batteries. Get lights that all take the same kind of battery so you only have to deal w/ one type.

Walking a long way w/ all that weight can be a drag. If you see a camp along your walk, you could always ask them if you can leave your jugs there for an hour while you find your site and come back. I would have no problem letting someone do that (but I can't speak for anyone else). When you get back you could offer to help them set up their dome or whatever they're working on. There you go--you just made friends. Most people are open to REASONABLE requests, but can be standoffish to overly-moochy requests (such as: "Can I put my tent in your shade canopy?")

Mist bottle and baby wipes. That's a shower!

Your water plan sounds good. A little lean for the week, but should be fine if you don't waste it showering, and you can always buy ice and drink the melted ice.

Gifting--you might not have room for a lot of material gifts, but what are your talents? Maybe you're a good photographer? Or you could volunteer somewhere? Or if you meet a group who helps you out a lot, offer to make an ice-run for them, or take their cans to the recycler. Gifts can be actions. If you portray yourself as a helpful, interested person (rather than a moocher) people are more likely to help you and make friends with you. And help you with your extra curricular explorations.

[Ratty]

Don't worry about running out of food. Turn yourself in to the 'Soup Nazi' at the commissary. She will work you like a dog for 3 or 4 hours and then you get an ALL YOU CAN EAT meal. Drinks, deserts and proteins included. You can't starve at Burning Man.

[The Rod]

You asked for snark...
Plus most people who need to do drugs tend to be... shall we say, less productive.

That depends on the type of drugs!

[misfit]

just remember, this is your burn. enjoy it. bring the gift of your wonderful self and share it with others. see you on playa........

[Ratty]

Water is for sale at the burn. Sure, it's frozen and costs $3 a bag or block but if you bring some extra large ziplocks you can drink it.

[Token]

Drugs

Did you know that a single drug related conviction can basically cement you into the glorious careers of burger-flipping and auto-detailing for the rest of your life?

Now, I'm not saying I know anything about your current situation or where you are starting from. Who knows, stick-welding may be a career upgrade for you already, but you may want to consider some of the consequences before you act.

I kind of look at it this way; unless you dropped out high school sophomore or maybe junior year, you've already invested enough in yourself beyond lets say a career roofer.

Besides, you will be competing for jobs with guys that dropped out of junior-high, already have a decade of experience more than you, and all did way better drugs than you can ever catch up on.

But, its your burn! "Better to burn out than to fade away"!

[The Rod]

I remember the day, clear as, well day (despite what I've been doing to my brain in the 13 years since) when my guidance counselor and dean of edumacation lectured me about what a mistake it was to drop out of high school. How it would haunt me the rest of my life not having a diploma and all that other stuff people with frowny faces like to go on and on about when lecturing someone younger than themselves about life-ruining decisions they are about to make...

Since then I have had a glorious career flipping burgers, as a chef in some of the most beautiful places in this country and abroad. I've tasted delicacies that most on this board would be lucky to read about. Sure, I burned out on the pro kitchens and now I work the agricultural end of the spectrum... I cure and smoke my own bacon from pork that I raise myself. I live in the last outlaw holdout of the wild west on an amazing piece of land and my god do I love talking to the folks at the burn about how much they dread having to go back to the real world and sit in an office with a bunch of assholes who make way to big of a deal out of pieces of paper like diplomas and misdemeanors.


Yeah... you have no idea.

[VultureChow]

All those… moments… will be lost in time, like tears… in rain.

[lucky420]

2nd response to OP. As my example of the nice and caring burner neighbor who has to take care of the unprepared newbies.

my apologies to farmgirl, didnt see an avatar so i kind of skipped over your post. lots of TLDR up in this thread. YMMV

[Token]

... "Time to die" ...

[Token]

I remember the day, clear as, well day (despite what I've been doing to my brain in the 13 years since) when my guidance counselor and dean of edumacation lectured me about what a mistake it was to drop out of high school. How it would haunt me the rest of my life not having a diploma and all that other stuff people with frowny faces like to go on and on about when lecturing someone younger than themselves about life-ruining decisions they are about to make...

Since then I have had a glorious career flipping burgers, as a chef in some of the most beautiful places in this country and abroad. I've tasted delicacies that most on this board would be lucky to read about. Sure, I burned out on the pro kitchens and now I work the agricultural end of the spectrum... I cure and smoke my own bacon from pork that I raise myself. I live in the last outlaw holdout of the wild west on an amazing piece of land and my god do I love talking to the folks at the burn about how much they dread having to go back to the real world and sit in an office with a bunch of assholes who make way to big of a deal out of pieces of paper like diplomas and misdemeanors.


Yeah... you have no idea.

Oops, sorry, forgot the career path of mountain pig farmer with an educated palate.

Are you bringing some bacon out with you this year? I'd like to talk hog with you some day.

[Elderberry]

There are a few folks on this board who like to pretend that half the folks at BM are not actually in altered states and oh my fucking god I cannot believe that someone is planning on or wanting to do drugs at Burning Man. gasp.

Law enforcement is reading his board, they've probably already traced your IP, now they know where you live and boy I hope your ready to spend the rest of your life staring at a concrete wall somewhere in northern Nevada. Way to blow it, pal.

What people do, where they do it and with whom is not the issue, regardless of the comments. The issue is that party drugs are illegal, and eplaya, as an extension of the BMORG, will not support, endorse, or permit discussions on any sort of illegal topics no matter what they are. It is against the TOS.

[lucky420]

Unless you're talking about hookers and blow.

Right?