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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Jovankat » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:08 pm

Photos and a report when I return is definitely the plan! We still haven't left Reno yet though :roll:

I just checked my weather app for Black Rock City weather and got this warning
Flash Flood Warning

The National Weather Service in Reno has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
Nevada County in northern California...
Sierra County in northern California...
southern Washoe County in western Nevada...

* until 530 PM PDT

* at 233 PM PDT...Doppler radar indicated a thunderstorm producing
heavy rain across the warned area. Flash flooding is occurring or
expected to begin shortly. Excessive rainfall over the warned area
will cause mud slides near steep terrain. The mud slide can consist
of rock...mud...vegetation and other loose materials.

* Some locations that will experience flooding include...
Verdi...Floriston and Verdi-Mogul.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Excessive runoff from heavy rainfall will cause flooding of small
creeks and streams...highways and underpasses. Additionally ...
country roads...and ranchland along the banks of creeks...streams and
other low lying areas are subject to flooding.

Most flood deaths occur in automobiles. Never drive your vehicle into
areas where the water covers the roadway. Flood waters are usually
deeper than they appear. A few inches of fast flowing water is
powerful enough to sweep vehicles off the Road.
So yay...? :|

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by mdmf007 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:19 pm

The_Sheik wrote:Ah, but the infrastructure folks are there for much longer than a week, and anything to reduce the need for trucked in water could help. It was just an idea, and thanks for the feedback.
The sludge is akin to a thin drywall paste. We have excavated stuff off the playa before and the water table, while shallow i not fit for drinking - it would cost more to treat than the water we haul up fro Gerlach. We have a pretty efficient delivery system for potable water, I wouldnt bother with this shit.

My prediction? hot and dusty year, but with the benefit of an extremely well packed and firm playa crust suitable for biking.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Ano » Fri Jul 03, 2015 10:07 pm

Okay folks, for real now - 8pm, a massive storm hit. It's flooded for real! I swear!

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Drawingablank » Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:22 pm

Yah my FB feed has all sorts of reports of nasty weather on the playa this weekend.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

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Post by homo ardentum » Sat Jul 04, 2015 5:37 pm

Looks like rain now according to radar. Any news from the playa on mudstorms?

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Post by Wigwam » Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:29 pm

It's going to be hot...or cold...or dry...or rainy. It's like George Carlin said. The weather forecast for the next hundred years...rain...on and off.

I kind of enjoy that it's unpredictable.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by lucky420 » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:34 pm

Last couple of years Juplaya has been wet...

We've been in a weird drought pattern for quite a while now. Winters are getting drier but late spring/ summer monsoonal moisture has ramped up quite a bit for N. NV...

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Bless » Sat Jul 04, 2015 10:22 pm

Today's forecast: FUCKED
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by trilobyte » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:05 am

I'm merging the Gerlach weather thread with the playa conditions thread.

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Ratty » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:19 am

The Gerlach webcam shows a beautiful dry day with apache cloud cover.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by lucky420 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 11:48 am

It did get a shitstorm up there yesterday. Friend went to ranger training and reported 62 mph winds, pebbles blowing, rain, thunder, etc. the playa at its finest :twisted:
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by mgb327 » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:33 pm

Just what do you mean by "Pebbles blowing?"
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Re: Gerlach Weather

Post by maryanimal » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:55 pm

Jackass wrote:Still not as hot as here in California's Central Valley. In the backyard yesterday at 7:30 pm, it was still clocking 110F. Inside the shop is 90-100, all day/most of the night...

Bring on the desert, I've got this.

How about a little wind while we're at it, I wanna see beige powdered people.
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Re: Gerlach Weather

Post by Jackass » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:37 pm

maryanimal wrote:
Jackass wrote:Still not as hot as here in California's Central Valley. In the backyard yesterday at 7:30 pm, it was still clocking 110F. Inside the shop is 90-100, all day/most of the night...

Bring on the desert, I've got this.

How about a little wind while we're at it, I wanna see beige powdered people.
When I lived in Taft while going to the community college, I remember it being 111F. It get scorching hot.
I went to school in Phoenix, add 10-15 degrees and doesn't drop below 95 for weeks. (even during the dead of night)

We almost broke the record for 110F plus days in a row in 1995. IIRC the record was around 18 days, we got to 15 or 16 before it let up.

(Found it: The greatest number of consecutive days with temperatures of 110°F or higher: 18 in 1974)
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:54 pm

Trust me,

when i tell you,

that it is going to suck.




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Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:19 pm

seriously.



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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by ^Rhino! » Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:08 pm

Trilo, the name "Lake Lahontan" in the Pleistocene encompassed all three areas: current Lake Lahontan, current Pyramid Lake, and the Black Rock Playa. You can see eight individual shorelines of the successive lake shores falling on the sides of the ridges at both the 8-mile and 12-mile entrances to the playa. Hence YES, the playa was Lake Lahontan 12,000 years ago. Today, it's a playa....a dry lake bed, and no longer linked with Pyramid Lake and today's Lake Lahontan. Lake Bonneville was once huge, too, and all that's left is Great Salt Lake in Utah.

The current permanent water table for the area is about 40-60 feet down below Black Rock City. Add to that I wouldn't exactly trust the water for potability either, not without testing. Even for spraying on the road surfaces....you don't know what's in the water...could be cadmium, selenium, arsenic, antimony, copper compounds, who knows until you TEST it? Sure, you might get shallow sludges, but these are directly related to the translocative movement downward of what little water the playa does accumulated. Why do you think the main mineralogic component of the surface is calcite? Because gypsum dissolves in water, and translocates in solution.

Another item: The clay also translocates downward, along cracks and microchannels from previous years. The predominant item left on the surface is silt. Silt sizes of quartz and calcite. Little or no gypsum, though people think that gypsum is the cause of the alkaline nature of the dust. Nope. It's calcite.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Canoe » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:01 pm

^Rhino! wrote:... "Lake Lahontan" in the Pleistocene encompassed all three areas: current Lake Lahontan, current Pyramid Lake, and the Black Rock Playa. You can see eight individual shorelines of the successive lake shores falling on the sides of the ridges at both the 8-mile and 12-mile entrances to the playa. ...
Yes, but how does that correlate to finding surface level gold nuggets? An inquiring mind wants to know.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by ^Rhino! » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:14 pm

Canoe wrote:
^Rhino! wrote:... "Lake Lahontan" in the Pleistocene encompassed all three areas: current Lake Lahontan, current Pyramid Lake, and the Black Rock Playa. You can see eight individual shorelines of the successive lake shores falling on the sides of the ridges at both the 8-mile and 12-mile entrances to the playa. ...
Yes, but how does that correlate to finding surface level gold nuggets? An inquiring mind wants to know.

It doesn't, unless the stillstand of lake level correlates with a winnowing-out process of placer gold. But you said nuggets, right?

Wrong area for it. Most gold in Nevada today comes from the Carlin trend, further east, and that's recovered by heap leaching methods. The closest thing you can find that's worth anything is still in the Virgin Valley, further east but not yet to Denio Junction. There, they have precious opals, and, for $150/day, you can dig in the ledge at the Royal Peacock mine. Some have made far more than that in a single day.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by ygmir » Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:32 pm

^Rhino! wrote:
Canoe wrote:
^Rhino! wrote:... "Lake Lahontan" in the Pleistocene encompassed all three areas: current Lake Lahontan, current Pyramid Lake, and the Black Rock Playa. You can see eight individual shorelines of the successive lake shores falling on the sides of the ridges at both the 8-mile and 12-mile entrances to the playa. ...
Yes, but how does that correlate to finding surface level gold nuggets? An inquiring mind wants to know.

It doesn't, unless the stillstand of lake level correlates with a winnowing-out process of placer gold. But you said nuggets, right?

Wrong area for it. Most gold in Nevada today comes from the Carlin trend, further east, and that's recovered by heap leaching methods. The closest thing you can find that's worth anything is still in the Virgin Valley, further east but not yet to Denio Junction. There, they have precious opals, and, for $150/day, you can dig in the ledge at the Royal Peacock mine. Some have made far more than that in a single day.
By "closest", do you mean geographically, IE" as the crow flies"?
And, by "wrong area for it", how large an area do you mean? Nuggets are found north of Rye Patch reservoir.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Canoe » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:49 am

ygmir wrote:
^Rhino! wrote:... It doesn't, unless the stillstand of lake level correlates with a winnowing-out process of placer gold. But you said nuggets, right?
Wrong area for it. Most gold in Nevada today comes from the Carlin trend, further east, and that's recovered by heap leaching methods. The closest thing you can find that's worth anything is still in the Virgin Valley, further east but not yet to Denio Junction...
By "closest", do you mean geographically, IE" as the crow flies"?
And, by "wrong area for it", how large an area do you mean? Nuggets are found north of Rye Patch reservoir.
Which has always made me wonder about Lake Lahontan...
No idea on the timing of any geographical features for identifying any correlation.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by ^Rhino! » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:03 am

OK, you want the closest possibility for nuggets? Just south of Empire, on the opposite side of the ridge. It's called the Wind Mountain claim -

http://nevada-outback-gems.com/Wind_mtn ... claims.htm

Here's the Rye Patch reservoir placer areas:

http://nevada-outback-gems.com/prospect ... a_mtns.htm

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Token » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:11 pm

Anyone go out to the Playa over the weekend or are they still stuck in the mud?

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Jovankat » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:33 pm

gaminwench wrote:Full report upon return???
Melonblue wrote:and pictures; if possible, please :)
There was a rain/thunder/lightning storm coming in from the east/south east when we arrived at about sundown on Friday. We raced the storm from the 8 mile playa entrance to our camp (about 12 o'clock & trash fence) and when we arrived there was some lightning very close by that had us sitting in our cars for a while. When that passed we set up our camp in the dark and the rain which had passed by the time we went to bed.

The next morning when we drove to Frog Pond we drove over a lot of very bumpy playa, there were big mounds and large ditches. We found one ditch at about 70mph and I have a very impressive bruise on my butt to prove it. The car is also not in the best state...

On Saturday afternoon a dust storm rolled in from the direction of Razorback. It was well and truly goggles and mask weather but we sat out in it on top of a collapsed tent stopping it from blowing away. There were some tiny pebbles in the wind that stung a bit but nothing that made us desperately want to seek shelter. The dust passed in less that an hour (I think?) but the wind kept coming for a few more.

We heard it was supposed to rain heavily and thunder from 4am to 9am Sunday morning but it was only drizzle when we went to bed and when we woke up at 7am the skies were clear. It didn't seem like there had been much if any rain over night. We packed up and were off playa before midday but some or our group stayed on to finish their survey work for their art project. By 7:30pm Sunday evening the weather had turned. Instead of being done with their measurements by 9pm they weren't ready to leave until 11pm. At 1:22am we received this message "Sadly, all playa exits appear to be impassible. We have tried four or five of them now, and it's all mud." That was quickly followed by this though; "Actually, we found some crazy backroad and we are now off-playa."

Except for the couple of bouts of rain/wind/thunder the weather was actually really lovely. It wasn't oppressively hot during the day or particularly cool at night. I slept with just a sheet on Saturday night.

The playa surface near where we camped had a decent crust on it and was quite solid and flat. Apart from what had been driven over while slightly moist that is. As we were leaving we drove over to roughly where we camped last year at 3-ish and A/B-ish. We used the Time to Burn app to find our way and once we hit the city we were able to make out the paths of last year's roads. That area was in noticeably worse shape. The ground was a lot less flat and crust was a lot more crumbly. There weren't any piles of soft powder like there were when we arrived last year but it seemed like that was only due to the rain in the previous few days and the mounds of powder were sitting just a few millimetres under the crust waiting to resurface with the slightest disturbance.

If you'd like to see my Facebook album of the weekend it's here. Fair warning, it includes a picture of the bruise on my bum ;)

If you're just interested in Playa porn check out this Imgur album of pictures I took of just the playa.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by trilobyte » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:49 pm

Thanks for the recap.

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Jackass » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:16 pm

We're so fucking doomed...
Sooner or later, it will get real strange...

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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Eric » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:25 pm

I looked at Jovankats pictures of the playa - doomed is an understatement. I can't wait.
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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Simon of the Playa » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:15 pm

all this doom talk is making me hot...





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Re: Playa Conditions for 2015

Post by Jackass » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:36 pm

This may be the year of the Beige Man.

This says it all...

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Thanks for the pics btw
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