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How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by The CO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:11 am

[Mod note: it does not matter that this was posted on a public forum elsewhere, please do not share google-able information without the original posters permission. I've removed it all from this post. I've left the thread up as it's honest information. -Eric]

The purpose of this thread is to illustrate methods which do not work when trying to join a theme camp.
Please, don't make the same mistakes.

So, here is our first object lesson, fresh from the book of faces.
Hey what's up ALl my **** Burner Family?! I need HELP!!! My camp, Camp **** is a group of **** & I and 13 of our friends who are in ****, and are also friends of mine who are performing artists who want to find a home at the Burn this year! We are specifically looking for 3 things in terms of infrastructure. We would like to have community showers, a community kitchen & community shade. We would like to pay $150 in camp dues or less if possible. Our crew will be our hosts entertainers throughout the week at Burning Man. Camp **** does knightly private Sunset burns for our hosting camp!
An ideal camp would be one that would want to host performing artists @ we would like to be near the esplanade if possible as well, or in my real happy place, ON ESPLANADE! >^o.o^< We like performing on and around art cars. We love creating memories that last a lifetime. So please, reach out your arms and let us know where we fit at Burning Man this year!!!
Here are the rules of camp ****:
1) You may never lie to kick it with us.
2) You must threaten us with a good time!
3)You must give us offers we cannot refuse.
SInce we give what we have:
1) We never lie to kick it.
2) We threaten everyone with a good time!
3) We give others offers they cannot refuse.
Also **** and I and 2-4 others are looking for early passes, which means we are down to help with set-up and tear down!
**** takes burners throughout the playa and give those that party with us the opportunity to see the Burn from the Performing Artist's prospective. We also like bringing all the sexy burners back with us back to camp after a night of crushing it!
So please PM me and let me know if you know of a camp that is a good fit for us!
Or call me on my cell (***)***-****
Let's take a look at this, shall we?

1-Opening with your own camp name, when you in fact do not have a camp, and are trying to join a camp. Bad form. Right away you are saying to people, "we don't give a crap about your camp."

2-15 people. You are looking to put 15 people in an existing camp one month before the event. 15 people is enough to build your own camp. This seems to indicate you are not interested in effort.

3-"We would like to have community showers, a community kitchen & community shade." Great. Most people would like those things. Not offering to help supply any of them is not a way to endear yourself to a camp.

4-"We would like to pay $150 in camp dues or less if possible." Well, people in hell want ice water. Meals, water (including for showers), greywater disposal, these are all things that cost money. Probably more than $150 for a week. Maybe see if you can find a hotel room in Reno for that price.

5-" Camp **** does knightly private Sunset burns for our hosting camp!" I hate to harp on this, but Camp **** doesn't exist. You are trying to join a camp; stop mentioning yourself, and start talking about the camp. Additionally, private fire shows are not difficult to come by in BRC. Just sayin.

6-"we would like to be near the esplanade if possible as well, or in my real happy place, ON ESPLANADE! >^o.o^< We like performing on and around art cars." Now we are getting into the thick of it. You have shown you don't care about theme, only location and perks. Theme is a fairly important part of a "theme camp".

7-"Here are the rules of camp ****:" DAMMIT, CAMP **** IS A FEVER DREAM! If you had a camp, you wouldn't be asking to join one.

8-"Also **** and I and 2-4 others are looking for early passes, which means we are down to help with set-up and tear down!" Hey, yeah, who wouldn't want 2-6 entitled "artists" taking early arrival passes? Those things are a dime a dozen!

9-"We also like bringing all the sexy burners back with us back to camp after a night of crushing it!" There is just so much wrong with this sentence, I can't pick what to attack.


Now, as said above: 15 people is enough to build your own damn camp. Hell, there are registered/placed theme camps that aren't that big.
The impression that comes from this statement over all is basically "We want a plug and play camp, but we want to pay DIY prices."
Take that $150 per person; shit, with 15 of you that's $2250. You could do a lot as a small camp with that budget and a little effort.

The important thing here, is that a camp that is willing to take 15 people this late in the game... Odds are they are only interested in your money. You might even get screwed over in any number of ways.
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by Dr. Pyro » Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:42 am

My God, I wish I had written that. Camp **** can take the Highway to Hell.

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by tamarakay » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:04 am

What? They don't provide a DJ and didn't ask for tickets!
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by VultureChow » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:09 am

What? No airconditioned hexayurts?
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by digital » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:12 am

right.


[Mod note - had to edit the camp name out of this post. -Eric]

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by The CO » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:36 am

Eric-

Yeah, I wondered about that. I left it in for 2 reasons: 1-As stated above, camp **** doesn't exist. 2-this post was public on bookface,
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by FlyingMonkey » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:39 am

That's classic. Is Oblivious Ignorance too redundant of a term?
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by Eric » Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:42 am

The CO wrote:Eric-

Yeah, I wondered about that. I left it in for 2 reasons: 1-As stated above, camp **** doesn't exist. 2-this post was public on bookface,
The OP put it on the other site, they did not post it here (if they had, it would have been fair game). I don't disagree at all with the points you're making, it just has to be done under the ePlaya rules.
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by The CO » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:04 pm

I wasn't going to use this email as a lesson, until the guy emailed me A SECOND TIME WITH THE SAME FORM EMAIL!!!!
"My name is (redacted). I was supposed to go with a travel company that takes people in buses to the playa, sets them up with food and water and the site, minus camping equipment, but they sold out of seats and I'm currently on a standby list waiting on their cancellations. If they don't open up a seat, then I would like to find a group of people that would bring extra burners with them, as long as I supply my own tent and all I needed to share was the ride, cost for food and water, assuming you supply food and water. If you are either looking to bring extra people with you or at least know how I can get in touch with other groups of burners looking to do the same thing, it would be greatly appreciated. My cell number is (redacted). What I could provide for gifting is an extra bottle or 2 of alcohol such as Vodka, some bags of powdered gatorate, as far as other physical items that's about all I can carry, but as far as other types of gifting, any reasonable help I could offer could be a gift as well, if someone needs someone to talk to about a personal problem in their life, maybe I can help, or maybe not, but if I can, I will offer to, etc. If you have any other ideas or suggestions for gifting to someone else, let me know. When you respond to this ad could you please do me a favor and tell me a little about yourself?
Thank You."

1-You are not looking for a theme camp. You are looking for a hotel on the playa. "I was supposed to go with a travel company that takes people in buses to the playa, sets them up with food and water and the site, minus camping equipment..." Theme camps are not hotels. They are a group of people with some sort of common, shared interest (or "theme") that have joined together to make something awesome.

2-You are offering two bottles of vodka. That is actually the best thing in this email. You are actually showing that you will contribute in some way, even minutely. An even better step would be offering to do a lot of physical work, since that is what most theme camps need. Or, you can ask the camp if there is something they need; maybe you have a lead on just the thing they have been looking for. Offering intangible things like counseling ("if someone needs someone to talk to about a personal problem in their life, maybe I can help, or maybe not") really odoesn't do much, unless that is the theme of the camp. Have you inquired about the theme of the camp yet?

3-"When you respond to this ad could you please do me a favor and tell me a little about yourself?" Oh. My. Dog. Think of it this way: joining a theme camp is, in a way, kind of like applying to a new job, or a fraternity/sorority. When applying for a job at a company, would you ask the interviewer "So, what do you guys do anyway?" I hope you would not. This is the #1 way to make sure that a theme camp is never, ever, ever, going to respond to your plea for admittance.
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by torrey.smith » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:10 pm

I'm writing a camp charter for Sextant right now.

I think my first rule will be:

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by AntiM » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:14 pm

I have a tiny theme camp, anyone with reading comprehension knows that. Yet I still get the mass email requests which assume I have acres of shade, flowing showers, and bountiful 24 kitchens with gourmet raw chef prepared foods. And camping gear. And an open bar. And DJs.

Uh, no, just some tents, a dry kitchen, and art hung on chickenwire.

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by FIGJAM » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:23 pm

But I SAW all that other stuff every time I've visited you. :?
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by AntiM » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:26 am

FIGJAM wrote:But I SAW all that other stuff every time I've visited you. :?
Great. Now I have to kill you.

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by The CO » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:31 am

Hey, another good lesson!

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by FIGJAM » Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:41 am

"Dead man Walking!" :oops:
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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by Clouds » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:53 am

Pretty much nailed it with regard to starting up your own camp and the related cost. They could definitely build a community shade, shower and kitchen for way less than the $2250 they're willing to spend for someone else to build it for them. Then they could take the $1500+ that's left and blow it on whatever the heck they wanted.

It's basically what my camp mates and I did this year. New shade, shower and kitchen and it was not much at all to build. It was also a lot of fun....

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by caffeineslinger » Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:28 pm

But then they would have to build it and take it down.

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Re: How to NOT join a theme camp.

Post by Captain Goddammit » Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:19 pm

I'll take this opportunity to make a public statement that I'm personally disgusted and have ZERO respect for anyone who has a group of friends, even a small one, and can't fucking set up their own fucking camp.
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