Eplaya Camp 2005

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 11:21 am

LMAO!!!!!!

THAT has to be a flag!!!!

And the sock puppets at the M&G are a must...

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:10 pm

Now I want to make a sock just so I can have one on the playa!

I don't think the Tribe thing makes sense. I would like to be involved in the camp but I won't bother to sign up on tribe. What about using the 'watched topics' in our profiles? I don't know how it works but it would be easy for everyone interested to set this topic up to be watched and then to easily see what's new about it. There's also the 'user groups' options, don't know how that works either.

It may be a good idea for someone to start compiling all of the ideas off the eplaya- a note taker/secretary- so that the suggestions don't get lost in the oodles of pages of talk. That way there won't be as much concern with the volumn on this thread. No, I'm not volunteering to do it. Maybe later, but right now my theme is largely spectating here.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:24 pm

sparkletarte wrote:It may be a good idea for someone to start compiling all of the ideas off the eplaya- a note taker/secretary- so that the suggestions don't get lost in the oodles of pages of talk. That way there won't be as much concern with the volumn on this thread. No, I'm not volunteering to do it. Maybe later, but right now my theme is largely spectating here.

I'm doing that now. I asked someone to Zip the pages for me so that I could compile and list ideas, suggestions, etc. He did it for me last night, and I intend to work on setting up a structure for this, this weekend... or as soon as I get away from work.....

AND WHY CAN'T THEY TURN UP THE FUCKING HEAT IN THIS BUILDING ON THANKSGIVING??!!! I'M FREEZING MY WOODROW OFF IN HERE!!!!! Shit... I'm trying to type with tipless gloves on... annoying!

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:31 pm

Oh, I had no idea what Woodrow was...thanks.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:40 pm

sparkletarte wrote:Oh, I had no idea what Woodrow was...thanks.

Not past tense... he very much is... but he's getting smaller due to the cold...

But I'm outta' here in about fifteen minutes.... get my truck going, drop trou, and drive home with him warming up in the blast from the heater.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:48 am

<bump>
by which I mean, I've started my first sock puppet. Dissapointing so far. Just amaturish.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:52 am

samtzu wrote:
sparkletarte wrote:It may be a good idea for someone to start compiling all of the ideas off the eplaya- a note taker/secretary- so that the suggestions don't get lost in the oodles of pages of talk. That way there won't be as much concern with the volumn on this thread. No, I'm not volunteering to do it. Maybe later, but right now my theme is largely spectating here.
I'm doing that now. I asked someone to Zip the pages for me so that I could compile and list ideas, suggestions, etc. He did it for me last night, and I intend to work on setting up a structure for this, this weekend... or as soon as I get away from work.....

AND WHY CAN'T THEY TURN UP THE FUCKING HEAT IN THIS BUILDING ON THANKSGIVING??!!! I'M FREEZING MY WOODROW OFF IN HERE!!!!! Shit... I'm trying to type with tipless gloves on... annoying!

Hey you know, it would have been nice to give credit to whom it was that helped you with the compilation.
everyone needs credit on the playa and the eplaya ya know.

I always give credit when credit is due.

But you dont have to.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:37 am

DVD Burner wrote:
samtzu wrote:
sparkletarte wrote:It may be a good idea for someone to start compiling all of the ideas off the eplaya- a note taker/secretary- so that the suggestions don't get lost in the oodles of pages of talk. That way there won't be as much concern with the volumn on this thread. No, I'm not volunteering to do it. Maybe later, but right now my theme is largely spectating here.
I'm doing that now. I asked someone to Zip the pages for me so that I could compile and list ideas, suggestions, etc. He did it for me last night, and I intend to work on setting up a structure for this, this weekend... or as soon as I get away from work.....

AND WHY CAN'T THEY TURN UP THE FUCKING HEAT IN THIS BUILDING ON THANKSGIVING??!!! I'M FREEZING MY WOODROW OFF IN HERE!!!!! Shit... I'm trying to type with tipless gloves on... annoying!
Hey you know, it would have been nice to give credit to whom it was that helped you with the compilation.
everyone needs credit on the playa and the eplaya ya know.

I always give credit when credit is due.

But you dont have to.

Didn't know if you wanted to remain annonymous or not... I shall reference you on all futher cites, and thanks again. You really did help me alot... and here...
DVD DID IT FOR ME!!! I WAS UNABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT!!!Thanks, DVD...

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 11:40 am

Shit man!

That was'nt what I meant but thanks anyway.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 12:03 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Shit man!

That was'nt what I meant but thanks anyway.

it beats a poke in the eye with a blunt stick, doesn't it?

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:39 pm

This is something that I sent to Tisha and a few other people that I felt it was only right to share with the rest of the forum readers:

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Sent :: Message
From: buckethead alien
To: tisha2
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 8:02 am
Subject: The camp discussion
Hiya T -

Happy Thanksgiving

I wanted to have a quiet conversation about this subject with you before posting my thoughts on the thread because I don't want to come off as critical of anyone (much.) Here it is, from a participation standpoint I don't see that "eplaya camp" as a theme camp does much to bring 'em in the door. If you've finished the book, you'll recall the great part Doherty did on the Dice casino that came back as the Giant Duck.

I was in the duck one night very late listening to some half-assed live country rock music when the Contessa pulled up outside and Extra Action came CRAWLING THROUGH THE WALLS [gratuitous drug reference deleted here] and fuckin' overwhelmed the country band. The band members tried to play along for a few minutes but gave up in frustration. People were swinging from the fuckin' rafters, dry-humpin' their neighbors, jumpin' up and down, screamin' like it was the apocalypse. By this time I had been to Burning Man a whole fuckpile of times and this THIS was probably the single most crystalline, rip-the-heart-out moment of all. [Gratuitous drug reference deleted here.]

My point in talking about this is that if some people who get along on eplaya want to get together and hand out socks and have a nice time camping together, that is fine. However, to create a true participatory experience I think whoever wants to do this need look no further than The Bar.

The reason why the Dice/Duck worked so well is precisely the same reason as your Bar thread became more than just a thread: it was a participatory oasis in the vast and confusing landscape of the playa. The Bar is a participatory oasis in the vast and confusing landscape of the eplaya. Not to belabor the analogy, but think of how it worked with the Dice/Duck, you’re out riding your bike on the playa at night kinda wondering what the fuck to do and you see some big-ass dice in the distance, so head over. As you approach, you hear some jazz but you don’t see anyone much. Then, rounding the corner, you see 20 people belly-up to a long bar, a few sitting around the tables gambling. You walk up and the bartender asks, “what’ll you have?”

On the eplaya, you’re looking around at some interesting shit, but kinda wondering where you can just take a load off and talk. You click on in to the Bar and Sensei’s pouring you a Sapphire martini within seconds, and you feel at home.

Of course, it would be inappropriate to out-and-out steal the Dice/Duck concept, but what I’d be excited about would be something that the eplaya campers did in this spirit. Dunno how the ORG feels about such things on the playa, but between the metaphor for cyberspace and a good MOOP plan, you never know.

Thinking as I write this, I guess that I am not necessarily advocating against registering an “eplaya camp,” but maybe I am. Look, if imagine being someone who knows nothing at all, I am not walking into an eplaya camp. I am, however, going looking for a camp that calls itself “The Bar” or something. But that might be a yahoo-magnet, hmnph, I gotta do some more thinkin’.

Best to you this day.

Your friend,

Bucket

cc:rj;stzu;ge

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:18 pm

buckethead alien wrote: My point in talking about this is that if some people who get along on eplaya want to get together and hand out socks and have a nice time camping together, that is fine. However, to create a true participatory experience I think whoever wants to do this need look no further than The Bar.
...your Bar thread became more than just a thread: it was a participatory oasis in the vast and confusing landscape of the playa.

And this is your attempt to derail ePlaya Camp??? You're not convincing me of changing a damn thing about the direction we've been going in for the last month with this thread. In fact, since this is ONLY November, we've already made some real progress on concept, structure, participation and general commaraderie. So just sit back on the dusty couch and watch us. Participate if you don't like what you see, and quite yer bitchin'!

On the eplaya, you’re looking around at some interesting shit, but kinda wondering where you can just take a load off and talk. You click on in to the Bar and Sensei’s pouring you a Sapphire martini within seconds, and you feel at home.

I haven't seen YOU at the Bar of late. Are you saying this can't be replicated successfully out in the Real Playa???? Look, I personally NEED this to come off, simply because I've been getting more and more marginalized ON-playa, and have spent year-round OFF-playa hanging out with ePlayans. Out here in the Sticks, the ePlaya IS my a major part of my social life (sad, huh) and I'd love to have the same group of mutants around me on-playa.

Of course, it would be inappropriate to out-and-out steal the Dice/Duck concept,

Basically, it's not possible nor necessary. I've seen a LOT more lame concepts, yet it was who was on the inside that made the party. I've also seen really cool concepts that landed like a PLOP because the camp members let it fall. It's not about the concept, the activities, the booze, or the decoration. It's sometimes about the taste in music, can be about the location, but most of the time it's about who's there to visit with.

I am, however, going looking for a camp that calls itself “The Bar” or something.

Sounds good to me. Hey, Samtzu! I second the vote to call our REGISTERED camp The Bar.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:25 pm

whoa, there, fellow people of the eplaya universe.

i really like what BuckIt is getting at here (sorry i never responded. please come kick my ass in person) but understand where robbidobbs is coming from, too.

is there some way to merge these? shooting from the hip here...
what would happen if there was a back-streets place where we had eplaya camp but yet we ran the bar from somewhere unexpected? one problem with this is it would be hard to have hang out time be the same as bar time, like it is here.

maybe we should set up camp at 12:00 and the trash fence. our entire camp.

robbidobbs · Post by **robbidobbs** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:08 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:...what would happen if there was a back-streets place where we had eplaya camp but yet we ran the bar from somewhere unexpected? one problem with this is it would be hard to have hang out time be the same as bar time, like it is here.
maybe we should set up camp at 12:00 and the trash fence. our entire camp.

Too much coffee plus enough sleep is probably the cause of my orneriness.

Rian, to answer your question, what would happen is again similar to trying to herd cats by openning the door. I don't see a problem with one camp, even if on the inner rings being both a place for socializing and a place for sleeping. It's the normal way of life on the Playa. Just look at what the Temple of Attonement is able to accomplish (and yes, I know the pit-falls).

We have a HUGE advantage over other camps (esp if we're registered) to be found and *recognized* by a huge population of BRC simply because we are so visible, being the official BM message board site. Who knows how many people lurk here? And if we reveal ourselves as the ePlaya Camp to those who do find us, they'll probably have a pretty good concept of the major players -- if they've been reading for a while. We almost don't need an participatory "activity" (socks etc), that's just lube for our collective circle-jerking anyway. We have already proven ourselves to be addicted to ePlaya and devotees of the Project itself. Heck, the people might just hunt our camp down because they'd read the message board...once...back in November or something...and want to talk to someone who has a Clue. I'm sure they'd be tickled if Fishie handed them one to put around their neck.

Bucket: The Bar, Politics Day and Night, Fuck, In Three Words, and the rest could all be activities, or party games, or just running jokes to us. Heck, it will probably just leap out of us spontaneously and organically. I believe that transporting the threads onto the dust is a perfectly reasonable Concept for a camp. And the music should be outstanding too.

There, I'm done. I need to get that Pina Colada back at the Bar now.

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:24 pm

i just have to throw in here that in order for me to tend at the bar, my kiddies need to be nestled snug in our tent...real close by.

and that i don't think BHA is trying to derail anything...just keep it from becoming some auspicious behemoth on the esplanade that overreached what the majority seems to be shooting for.

that is all.

i'm going to bed now. * sniffle *

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:38 pm

Have fun with "The Bar"

I'm out of here.

Peace people.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:45 pm

tonytohono wrote:Have fun with "The Bar"

I'm out of here.

Peace people.

does this mean you're excusing yourself from the project, Tony? Or are you just gone for the day?

confused.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:55 pm

Why? Are you cheering for me to excuse myself?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:58 pm

Just trying to figure you out, man... your last post seemed a bit snotty to me, but I didn't want to misread. To me, it sounded like you said something to the effect of "well, this isn't going the way I want it to, so you all have fun with *snooty voice* "The Bar", but I don't want any part of it".

But, I may have misread you entirely, as sometimes I do... so I was just checking...

I'm trying to cover my ass before I go off on a tangent...

humblest apologies...

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:59 pm

I think the bar is a great idea, I mean obviously. But calling it the bar. Well, I don't know about that. It just seems banal to me... shallow.

I mean with all of the magnificently creative and talented individuals I know you all are... The Bar...

Yeah that is real unique and real creative and I want to be remembered for that.

Sure people. I'm saying this. My efforts may be better put to use elsewhere if this is only going to be a bar. A bar is great, but I have visions of a fucking circus that is full of animals you cannot find anywhere else on this planet.

I fell kind of shitty, because I want this thing to be electric and I want all points involvment and I feel like it is just deteriorating into a simple plan.

I'm not giving up anything... yet.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:04 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:Just trying to figure you out, man... your last post seemed a bit snotty to me, but I didn't want to misread. To me, it sounded like you said something to the effect of "well, this isn't going the way I want it to, so you all have fun with *snooty voice* "The Bar", but I don't want any part of it".

But, I may have misread you entirely, as sometimes I do... so I was just checking...

I'm trying to cover my ass before I go off on a tangent...

humblest apologies...

I like you Guini and I feel, and have felt like shit a few times because I know that I offended you... and anyone else as well, for that matter. But you in particular because you were willing to express that... plainly. I don't want this thing to be mine. I want it to be everyone's. I want everyone in here to pick up a brush and add their own special color. I want to be a part of something that moves everyone that experiences it.

That is what I want.

I'm not snotty. I just over exert sometimes, usually unintentionally, but in person that is not my way. It's trying to get it out in 2 dimensions that I blow it at times.

Ummm... more in a few... I'm distracted.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:13 pm

Tony, can i make a suggestion? completely friendly, btw.

just ride it out. people are still throwing around the ideas that will make this experiment become whatever it will become. i advise against walking off or anything dramatic right now. the direction of the project may change... or your opinions may change.

besides, think this camp idea would lose a lot if you left.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:15 pm

I'm at a point where I think that, while all this is well and good---all this planning, and extravagence, and, and, and---I don't want to be getting my hopes set up high, and then crash really hard when we aren't able to do all the vast things we planned.

It's the same was I enter into human relationships, romantic, sexual, or otherwise. If I enter with absolutely NO expectation other than to be human and have compassion for another human, then there's no possible way I can be disappointed. Plan for the basic interaction, and everything that comes in addition to that is an absolute GIFT.

That's how I see approaching something like this. I think that we need to plan a basic interaction, and then, because we're all wonderful creative pushing-the-envelope kind of people, it WILL evolve into the craziness and amazing-ness that we all want to see, just because we're all a part of it, and we'll all bring something, even without thinking about it. But, to have our expectations set so high is to set ourselves up for disappointment and heartbreak.

my $.02

*sitting down, hands ready to cover head for the ensuing flamage...*

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 3:46 pm

Very well put.

Both of you.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:50 pm

Yes, what those two said. It's only December (already!). There's still lots of time for everything to change and change again.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:54 pm

sparkletarte wrote:Yes, what those two said. It's only December (already!). There's still lots of time for everything to change and change again.

Hey I thought it was still November Sparki?

I've decided that between the two of them they can make all of my decisions... for awhile. When it gets sunny again, then I'll have to get out my horns.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:15 am

Hey, hold on a minute. I make no one's decisions. I can't even seem to make my own, lately. And I certainly don't want to be responsible for anyone else's experience.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:18 am

Come on Guini... it's too late... you have been delegated to all responsibility.

Ha

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:24 am

Rian Jackson wrote:Tony, can i make a suggestion? completely friendly, btw...

besides, think this camp idea would lose a lot if you left.

cites?

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:27 am

tonytohono wrote:Have fun with "The Bar"

I'm out of here.

Peace people.

Maybe you should call it "Drama Camp."

Oh wait, sorry, that's been done.

Eplaya Camp 2005

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