Food Court

[goathead]

Saw an article about why a "paid journalist" is not going to attend this year, because it has gotten to commercial.
Every year he has attended has been on someone else's dime.
He has written, and made money from the articles he has written about the event, us.
Is there really any difference between him, commercial photo, or a t-shirt vendor, food vendor.

Or are some leeches better then others?

[trilobyte]

I think I've seen the same article, fuck that guy. There's a whole lot of irony all over everything he says. I think mostly he's upset because he can't find anyone who will pay him to go to the event this year, and he can't find tickets on his own. If that's the case, thank you media outlets.

I think normally I wouldn't feel that way towards a journalist who was covering the event as part of their job. But the individual has turned himself into something of a cottage industry, doing paid speaking engagements and seminars at events within the community, something just doesn't seem right. Really ironic that someone who's been doing that so shamelessly would then himself complain about it.

The trinket and food vendors in Gerlach and Empire are another thing, they're not out on the playa plying their trade.

[some seeing eye]

I was recruited to the cult by personal friends. Fuck journalists, fuck female image YouTube EDM advertising videos. Let's get back to person to person curation of participants. It's our event. And by the way, "journalism" has been on a steady decline into shit for some time.

[goathead]

I think I've seen the same article, fuck that guy. There's a whole lot of irony all over everything he says. I think mostly he's upset because he can't find anyone who will pay him to go to the event this year, and he can't find tickets on his own. If that's the case, thank you media outlets.

I think normally I wouldn't feel that way towards a journalist who was covering the event as part of their job. But the individual has turned himself into something of a cottage industry, doing paid speaking engagements and seminars at events within the community, something just doesn't seem right. Really ironic that someone who's been doing that so shamelessly would then himself complain about it.

The trinket and food vendors in Gerlach and Empire are another thing, they're not out on the playa plying their trade.

I had never really thought about journalists, have had friends working in Media Mecca for years.
But when I read his article, made me start thinking about them, the commercial photo's.
Came to the conclusion, not much different then the trinket vendor's.
Except we tag them, in some ways cater to them, and welcome them.

[Simon of the Playa]

meh....

you see one new age hipster douchebag wanna be serpent god , you seen them all...

[Simon of the Playa]

i'd like a puddin' pop please.

[trilobyte]

Well, they get tagged and catered to/supported, but it's also with the caveat that they're obtaining the necessary permissions from subjects in their photographs before shooting, and that their pieces and projects are cleared through the press team before-hand. That's not to say that Burning Man just goes crazy with the censorship, the way it works (as I understand it) is that media projects submit their applications for what the hell it is they want to be out there to do (write a piece on ___, etc). The review and approval process helps ensure that once on the playa, that individual isn't doing something completely different. The on-playa media mecca stuff I think does a good job of helping to acculturate the newbie (journos can be newbies too), make sure they're doing it right, answering questions, and putting people in touch with people.

I think the net result of that, and being welcoming, is to help these people to better cover the event, and maybe (hopefully) give the event (and burners as a community or culture) a more fair shake. I think that's a good thing.

Returning journalists (the guy who regularly covers the event) can get a bit awkward, and then when you have people coming in as special guests or featured campmates (as in either paid or brought in all expenses paid) things just get unseemly. Every now and again I'll see a camp advertising that so-and-so is camping with them, as if that's a selling point to potential campmates. Personally I think the draw for joining any camp should be the friends or the art, and not the opportunity to rub elbows with someone notable.

The outside vendors though, they're just that... outside. And they've got their own hoops to jump through, with whatever county or state licenses or permits they need in order to play in Empire or Gerlach or wherever.

[Simon of the Playa]

and then there are those photographers that light shit on fire for a photo shoot on the playa and then sell the results and worst of all, not clean up after themselves...

[ygmir]

i'd like a puddin' pop please.

[Simon of the Playa]

ask before you pinch....

its about consent..

[goathead]

I want my squished pennies.

[goathead]

Well, they get tagged and catered to/supported, but it's also with the caveat that they're obtaining the necessary permissions from subjects in their photographs before shooting, and that their pieces and projects are cleared through the press team before-hand. That's not to say that Burning Man just goes crazy with the censorship, the way it works (as I understand it) is that media projects submit their applications for what the hell it is they want to be out there to do (write a piece on ___, etc). The review and approval process helps ensure that once on the playa, that individual isn't doing something completely different. The on-playa media mecca stuff I think does a good job of helping to acculturate the newbie (journos can be newbies too), make sure they're doing it right, answering questions, and putting people in touch with people.

I think the net result of that, and being welcoming, is to help these people to better cover the event, and maybe (hopefully) give the event (and burners as a community or culture) a more fair shake. I think that's a good thing.

Returning journalists (the guy who regularly covers the event) can get a bit awkward, and then when you have people coming in as special guests or featured campmates (as in either paid or brought in all expenses paid) things just get unseemly. Every now and again I'll see a camp advertising that so-and-so is camping with them, as if that's a selling point to potential campmates. Personally I think the draw for joining any camp should be the friends or the art, and not the opportunity to rub elbows with someone notable.

The outside vendors though, they're just that... outside. And they've got their own hoops to jump through, with whatever county or state licenses or permits they need in order to play in Empire or Gerlach or wherever.

So really it all Maid Mariana's fault.

[media]

[trilobyte]

You're blamestorming and looking to blame somebody for the event's popularity? If so, then I don't think she's any more at fault than any other burner who's ever told other people about the event. Or any photographer (professional and amateur) who's ever taken a photograph or shot a video and posted it online. I don't really subscribe to that newsletter... the event getting popular and tickets being scarce isn't the result of anybody's malicious action or carelessness, it is a part of the evolution of the event and generally what happens when demand gets way ahead of supply.

I don't actually agree with the whiney author's crying that the event has gotten too commercial. I respect that he might feel that way, though I think it's ironic that nearly everything about his participation has been tied to being paid by someone to do it. I don't agree with his whingeing, and my own experiences with the event have been vastly different (thank goodness).

[Jackass]

and then there are those photographers that light shit on fire for a photo shoot on the playa and then sell the results and worst of all, not clean up after themselves...

Right up there with the Krug debacle, not very far from where it was located either...

burning man 2011 108.JPG

Coming soon: Media Pass personnel running amuk...

[goathead]

You're blamestorming and looking to blame somebody for the event's popularity? If so, then I don't think she's any more at fault than any other burner who's ever told other people about the event. Or any photographer (professional and amateur) who's ever taken a photograph or shot a video and posted it online. I don't really subscribe to that newsletter... the event getting popular and tickets being scarce isn't the result of anybody's malicious action or carelessness, it is a part of the evolution of the event and generally what happens when demand gets way ahead of supply.

I don't actually agree with the whiney author's crying that the event has gotten too commercial. I respect that he might feel that way, though I think it's ironic that nearly everything about his participation has been tied to being paid by someone to do it. I don't agree with his whingeing, and my own experiences with the event have been vastly different (thank goodness).

But if we don't look back, how can we tell what might be ahead?
Granted, cheap shot at Marian. But would we have gotten as big, as fast?
BM is a great example of guerrilla marketing.
May not have been intended, but, WOW, the results speak for themselves.

[tamarakay]

Ok, someone send me the link

[goathead]

[tamarakay]

Thank you gh and yay!

[tamarakay]

I'm not sure how he made the jump from a giant party/artistic expression thing in the desert to saving the world from global warms and global extinction. Did anyone warn him about leaving his expectations at the gate?

I think I will burn just fine without his presence.

[WasteNotWantNot]

And by the way, "journalism" has been on a steady decline into shit for some time.

A-fuckin'-men

[StrepThroatHaver]

and then there are those photographers that light shit on fire for a photo shoot on the playa and then sell the results and worst of all, not clean up after themselves...

Right up there with the Krug debacle, not very far from where it was located either...

burning man 2011 108.JPG

Coming soon: Media Pass personnel running amuk...

this is pathetic!