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GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:35 pm

thanks guys...

hey, does anyone know about herbal suppliments to help with Seasonal Affectiveness Disorder? Sam? Rian? Anyone?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:36 pm

oh, and I want ALL of those drinks. Cosmo, scotch (it better be a damned good scotch, Sam... I had some Glenlevit 12-year this weekend, and it knocked my socks off... in a good way) AND petron...

I'd take a back massage instead of a foot massage... I'm all tense and shit...

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:36 pm

St Johns wort? SAD is also cured by sunshine, just happens to be about 330 plus days of that here. And there is a secret hot spring, shhhhhhh.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:37 pm

helitack wrote:SAD is also cured by sunshine, just happens to be about 330 plus days of that here. And there is a secret hot spring, shhhhhhh.

This is not helping.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:37 pm

Forgot to metion the spring has complimentary back massages.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:38 pm

Jump on a plane for Fiji?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:38 pm

I go straight to pharmo. Have you tried light therapy--or is that gonna get you unwanted attention from the DEA?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:40 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:I go straight to pharmo. Have you tried light therapy--or is that gonna get you unwanted attention from the DEA?

pharmo... as in, prescriptions? No can do. Only herbal (and yes, I pronounce it with it's 'h') for this girlie.

I'd do light therapy, but they're so damned expensive.

I heard a rumor about melatonin.... anyone?

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:43 pm

most of us are still in denial and think it's normal.
so we mope around with coffee, read poetry, listen to indy music, and watch the rain fall...

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:44 pm

Gotta be a million herbalists in Seattle, consult the local health food store>?

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:45 pm

http://www.melatonin.com/

"Melatonin is the all-natural nightcap. It's secreted by the pineal gland, a pea-size structure at the center of the brain, as our eyes register the fall of darkness." At night melatonin is produced to help our bodies regulate our sleep-wake cycles. The amount of it produced by our body seems to lessen as we get older. Scientists believe this may be why young people have less problem sleeping than older people.

"Studies suggest that... supplements can hasten sleep and ease jet lag, without the hazards or side effects of prescription sleeping pills." It may have many other uses and has been reported to make people feel better, strengthen the immune system, and reduce free radicals in the body. Current research is underway to determine it's effect as an anti-oxidant, immno-modulator in cancer, delayed sleep-phase disorders, and jet lag. Tests are still under way so there is much to still be learned about it and its effects on the human body.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:46 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:I go straight to pharmo. Have you tried light therapy--or is that gonna get you unwanted attention from the DEA?
pharmo... as in, prescriptions? No can do. Only herbal (and yes, I pronounce it with it's 'h') for this girlie.

I'd do light therapy, but they're so damned expensive.

I heard a rumor about melatonin.... anyone?

I get the same thing, and melatonin works for me... Haven't tried light therapy, but the active ingredient in sunshine is Vitamin D... sooo, unless you're lactose intolerant, you might try a bunch of milk... Valarian root is vile, but it works too. And what Helitac said about the health food store, especially in Seattle... they could load you up with all kinds of stuff.

I do prefer melatonin, though. It has the added side benefit of knocking you right off to sleep. DO NOT TAKE IT AT WORK!!! You will pass out at your counter... tough to make sales when you're snoring...

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:48 pm

thanks joel... knew I could count on you to educate me.

and heli, I have a naturopathy myself, but for whatever reason, I just don't want to call her. Probably because she always knows just the rigth questions to ask me to make me cry...

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:48 pm

what Joel said, without all the scientific crap. Who listens to that stuff anyway?

...oh, yeah... I do... nevermind...

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:50 pm

samtzu wrote:I do prefer melatonin, though. It has the added side benefit of knocking you right off to sleep. DO NOT TAKE IT AT WORK!!! You will pass out at your counter... tough to make sales when you're snoring...

yeah, well, at least if I'm snoring it means I'm not harassing the customer or getting into arguments with them...

I've been more than a little snippy today...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:51 pm

maybe i need to get some of this melatonin shit.

my dad and my x-roomie both used the lights, and swear by them.
i know lots of folks on anti-depressants, too.

but you know, some of the best things you can do are eating and sleeping well, exercising, getting out in whatever daylight there is, and doing things that make your soul produce it's own sunshine. imo.

it really, though depends on how severe it is and how stubborn you are.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:53 pm

melatonin always left me a little sleepy... of course, that was before decaf, so my system was fighting itself.

i dunno, i need to start taking vitamins to counteract the lifestyle i live.

healthy is as healthy does.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:55 pm

Simply Joel wrote:melatonin always left me a little sleepy... of course, that was before decaf, so my system was fighting itself.

i dunno, i need to start taking vitamins to counteract the lifestyle i live.

healthy is as healthy does.

are you talking about before stu convinced you to quit the real stuff or before decaf was invented?

i didn't think you were that old.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:56 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:I go straight to pharmo. Have you tried light therapy--or is that gonna get you unwanted attention from the DEA?
pharmo... as in, prescriptions? No can do. Only herbal (and yes, I pronounce it with it's 'h') for this girlie.

I'd do light therapy, but they're so damned expensive.

I heard a rumor about melatonin.... anyone?

Yeah well, I learned the hard way--with expence of some years out of my life, that in this case I'd go with the evils of allopathy. And herbal scares me from some of my experiences--although I was experiementing on myself so I probably deserved it.

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:56 pm

I read a story in The NY Times the other day about a study of babies and light exposure. The upshot was that those babies who had exposure to AFTERNOON light were better sleepers. I know this is impractical for many of us hive bees, but it is cheaper than herbs, lights, etc...

<i>The study compared babies who slept well with problem sleepers and found that the good sleepers had been exposed to twice as much light between noon and 4 p.m.

. . .

Since increased daytime exposure to light is found to decrease sleep disturbances among the elderly, Dr. Harrison decided to test whether light exposure could be related to sleeping patterns of babies 6 to 12 weeks old.<i>

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:56 pm

A couple of times I had to go east, Pennsylvania an West Virginia to work for six months each, gray skies all the time. Being from Colorado it hammered me into the ground. Moved back west to the desert, haven't had near the problems since. Sunshine and blue skies worked for me, just my two pesos.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:58 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:
samtzu wrote:I do prefer melatonin, though. It has the added side benefit of knocking you right off to sleep. DO NOT TAKE IT AT WORK!!! You will pass out at your counter... tough to make sales when you're snoring...
yeah, well, at least if I'm snoring it means I'm not harassing the customer or getting into arguments with them...

I've been more than a little snippy today...

I'm so hip!! Dealing with morons is not easy at the best of times... but when you're feeling crappy, it really sucks...

Do what I do... carry a gun. If you shoot one of them, the rest will back right off...

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:58 pm

buckethead alien wrote:I read a story in The NY Times the other day about a study of babies and light exposure. The upshot was that those babies who had exposure to AFTERNOON light were better sleepers. I know this is impractical for many of us hive bees, but it is cheaper than herbs, lights, etc...

<i>The study compared babies who slept well with problem sleepers and found that the good sleepers had been exposed to twice as much light between noon and 4 p.m.

. . .

Since increased daytime exposure to light is found to decrease sleep disturbances among the elderly, Dr. Harrison decided to test whether light exposure could be related to sleeping patterns of babies 6 to 12 weeks old.<i>

this is exactly my problem: (well, that and the fact that, even during the morning, there's no fucking sunlight here)

but it starts to get dark here at 3! I am definitely one who NEEDS that afternoon light on my face...

fuck.

(holy hell, I promise to stop... jeebus... )

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 2:59 pm

BuckIt, there's no sun here for 9 months of the year. it just doesn't work.

so i was thinking. you know, here in the gray lands we have SAD... and down south they have...

TROPICAL DEPRESSIONS!!!

(badum bum)

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:00 pm

Good work, Girl... that was as bad as one of mine...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:01 pm

samtzu wrote:Good work, Girl... that was as bad as one of mine...

must be the weather

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:02 pm

G-gal, do you have southern exposure? it helps a lot.
also, what kind of lighting do you have? i have no evidence to support this, but i find halogens to be a bit better on my psyche than incandescents if i can't get sunlight

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:04 pm

There's a big fireball up in the sky right now... looks familiar... not quite sure what it is... but I heard some people call it "The Sun"

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:06 pm

samtzu wrote:There's a big fireball up in the sky right now... looks familiar... not quite sure what it is... but I heard some people call it "The Sun"

we have legends about that here, too.
the people with... um... mental issues.. talk about it when they aren't telling you about horses fucking squirrels.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:06 pm

If it gets really bad, Ms GE, let me and Woodrow know... we have a cure for you... put a little color in yer' cheeks!

...Yeah! What about us? We'll be glad to help!!...

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what was the rumor you heard?