Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

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Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by Nibiru » Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:37 pm

Hey there :)
We're looking for some nice burners to share our RV (4-5 sleeping places) from San Francisco to Black Rock City and the way back. I'm an italian guy, 29 years old, raised up in Switzerland visiting Burning Man for the third time. My friend is swiss, also 29 years old and it's going to be his first burn. We' re travelling with other friends from Switzerland and we still have two places left to share.

Please don't hesitate to contact me by e-mail: [email protected]

THANKS AND SEE YOU ON THE PLAYA

Simone

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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by DerbyDave 18 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:06 pm

I'd be interested in joining you guys. The only problem is I'm in L. A. and getting my stuff to S.F. is a problem. If I can figure it out I'll write another message.

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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by Nibiru » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:45 am

hey derbydave, thanks for your reply.
since i received the rv offer yesterday, there are few things which you need to know...

renting rvs from reno was simply not possible. prices for large rvs were really high, even starting the journey from San Francisco. Since the ticket sale was so late this year, this made the story a lot more complicated, especially for people travelling from overseas.

So I guess this is quite expensive for you, like it is for me.

Me and my mate talked to each other today and booked the RV, we rather take the one for 4k than waiting for a cheaper solution. We expect that prices will still increase. This is such an incredible rip off.

Since I received a couple of E-Mails before your reply, I guess it would be already better to look out for an other solution. I hope you dont get this wrong :)

See you on the playa derbydave

best wishes from zurich, oberrieden

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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by BBadger » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:44 pm

It'll be pretty rough staying in a maximum capacity RV anyway.
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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by trilobyte » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:25 pm

I think a better way to say it would be that with the ticket sale being as late as it was this year, renting an RV became significantly more complicated and expensive for anyone who waited until tickets went on sale to book a reservation. I believe that a large percentage of the RV rentals made for Burning Man are booked months in advance of tickets going on sale.

BBadger also makes a pretty good point - having the maximum capacity in an RV for any trip can be pretty rough, but for a trip like Burning Man it could be a recipe for disaster. If you get the chance, spend some time reading the boards - there are numerous threads on the subject of RV's that may help you guys make the most of the experience. Good luck!

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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by Captain Goddammit » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:26 pm

It's not that much a rip off, considering you want to take a $100,000 - $200,000 rig to a corrosive dirty desert where it's gonna get trashed.
I would never rent to a burner at all if it were mine.
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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by Nibiru » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:59 am

@captaingoddammit
I really don't get your point. That's my point of view:
1. You are driving the RV for a max of 10 hours in 7 days, 5 hours to BRC and 5 hours back to SF. So there is no need anymore to move your RV for seven days. I would say the risk of having an accident is reduced to a minimum in this 7 days, because you're simply not driving. No abrasion of your tires as well plus no use of the engine.
2. Did you ever wonder why nearly all airforce bases in your country are placed in the desert? No oxidation, no rust, nothing, because there is nearly no air moisture. So the RV is not even getting "older" out there.
3. The policy covers the damage, if you travel without insurance you're lost anyway, everywhere in the world. And we all know that you should probably read the terms of insurance first, especially in the U.S.

@trylobyte
I definitely agree with you, but.... did you ever try to get a ticket at face value after the ticket sale as a european burner? It's nearly impossible and usually it all starts with a ticket. I simply don't want to book a journey for thousands of dollars without beeing sure to have access to the event. But hey thanks anyway for your feedback. Eplaya is really helpful, especially for my future plans at burning man.

@bbadger
it looks like we will take the RV just for us. You only have one life, live it well :idea:

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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by BBadger » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:59 am

Nibiru wrote:@captaingoddammit
I really don't get your point. That's my point of view:
1. You are driving the RV for a max of 10 hours in 7 days, 5 hours to BRC and 5 hours back to SF. So there is no need anymore to move your RV for seven days. I would say the risk of having an accident is reduced to a minimum in this 7 days, because you're simply not driving. No abrasion of your tires as well plus no use of the engine.
2. Did you ever wonder why nearly all airforce bases in your country are placed in the desert? No oxidation, no rust, nothing, because there is nearly no air moisture. So the RV is not even getting "older" out there.
3. The policy covers the damage, if you travel without insurance you're lost anyway, everywhere in the world. And we all know that you should probably read the terms of insurance first, especially in the U.S.
Ah, that's the real problem: "normal" wear and tear usually involves mileage on the vehicle and stuff that washes off in a car wash or with a light wipe-down inside the vehicle. Sure you may drive through rain or maybe get a little dirt on your vehicle, but there's not a whole lot that RVs generally go through.

The event, however, takes place on a dry lake bed, which is made of dirt/dust that has a high alkaline content. Though the event is (usually) dry, that dust is relatively corrosive, clings to surfaces, and a pain to wash out (a little vinegar helps). The dust gets everywhere: inside engines, your air filters, your AC, your vents, cracks, etc. It also damages metals and other stuff in ways that normal dirt does not.

Your vehicle may not move very much, but the dust is always blowing and getting everywhere. It's not uncommon to see drifts near wheels, a fine coating of dust inside the engine, and dust falling out of everywhere when a door is slammed or something like that. Even the drive in and out will expose you to a lot of dust billowing up under and around your vehicle.

Also, being an RV, there are people tracking dust inside the vehicle. Part of the struggle of sharing an RV with people you don't know is that people don't play by "house rules" and end up tracking lots of dust in and making a mess. Who knows if your "guests" will do their part to clean up the vehicle after they've paid their part of the bill too. Burning Man exposes you to both the best and the worst people.

So when the Captain talks about an expensive $100k+ vehicle being exposed to the ruinous effects of the playa, he's talking about the above. You either choose to not bring something "nice" to the playa, or be resigned to the fact that whatever you bring will not leave the event untainted.

All that dust and possible damage is why a lot of RV companies don't like to rent to burners because their vehicles return dirty and possibly damaged, with dust stuck everywhere. You won't see the metal on your vehicle breaking down before your eyes, but it really does get everywhere and slowly damages stuff. Responsible burners, or at least those who want their deposit back, will usually spend a day or two to clean up the RV before returning it, and this is after a car-wash or two to get the superficial dust off the outside.

I don't know if the RV company knows that you're bringing that RV to the playa. Maybe it's best they never know. Try to bring the RV back in equal or better shape than you drove out to not give RV-renting burners a bad reputation.
@bbadger
it looks like we will take the RV just for us. You only have one life, live it well :idea:
Sounds like a plan! That'll make it a lot easier and comfortable.
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Re: Italian and Swiss Burner looking for RV Mates

Post by Nibiru » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:04 am

@bbadger
you mentioned some nice points. indeed, as soon as you mention the word "burning man" to rv companies, the reactions are mostly negative. I always prefer to tell them that I'm looking forward to visit Burning Man, due policy reasons. That's exactly how persons get involved in real problems. They don't mention to drive to Burning Man and as soon as something happens with the RV they get f***** and they lose their insurance.
The RV rent price would have been less of course if we wouldn't have mentioned Burning Man. The offer includes a Burning Man Fee which you don't get back. And they ask for a security deposit at the point of sale. If you return the RV in a bad condition, they will take the cleaning fee from the security deposit.

In SF there is a very nice car wash, specialized for the weekend after Burning Man. They have good prices for a complete overhaul of the RV and it's all done in less than an hour. :coffee: :mrgreen:

concerning the dust: yes of course, dust gets erverywhere, no chance really to prevent that, I agree. But RV Companies are normaly used to rent their vehicles for much longer time, sometimes for more than a month. The abration of the vehicle is much higher if you cross the whole country for example. The last time when we brought back the RV they told us that we returned the RV cleaner than it was before, and thats not a joke.
I'm always laughig about the point with the alcaline in the dust. I visited Burning Man in 2014, when it was raining before the event. If the amount of alcaline in the dust would be as high as everybody is telling, the human body would have reacted with the combination of water in a very bad way. The grade of alcaline in the dust is not even able to affect the human body in a serious way, even combined with water it's still kind of harmless. 7 days in the dust is simply not long enough to affect your RV in a serious way. I was standing for 17 hours just 100 feet in front of the gate due this evil rain. But yes, 2014 wasn't dusty at all.

I see the negative points of sharing RVs with other "unknown" persons could end in a real disaster, but sometimes you just need to see it as a challenge :twisted: . Anyway, I really appreciate your feedback!

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