Art and the non-artist guy

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Art and the non-artist guy

Post by EGAZ » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:45 pm

I'm not 'artsy', if I may use the term. I appreciate art mainly from the amount of time it takes create. When I look at paintings, sculpture, etc, I say to myself, 'man, that took weeks/months/years to create!', 'and that amount of time requires commitment, determination & drive".

Personally, I can't draw a circle without a soup can. :oops: For example, when I mess around with graphics for decals, banners, race cars etc. most of it involves straight lines, with a few bends. I could never draw up 'flames' for instance. I always need a guide of some sort be it a border, body line, ruler or string. What does fascinate me about artists is them being able to see what they want to create, before they start. Artists that draw charcoal/pencil drawings, showing shading and 3D with a single color impress me the most. I can see it when they are done. The shadows, the glint of light on a sphere for example. But I can't see it on my mind the few times I have tried and flat 1D smeared up stick drawing is the result. ha!

When I view the large art projects that are on the Playa during BM, (via pics & video) its always from the point of view of what it took to actually assemble the creation. Whats holding that part in place? How are they hiding the internal structure carrying the weight? Why is the wind not flat destroying it with little internal structure? How did they get it to do what its doing? A great example is this one. (though not on the Playa)

https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvol ... 8/?fref=nf

I understand 'how' they did this one and marvel again at the time it took to create and can appreciate that. What I don't feel from it, or most other art, is what the artist wanted to portray or imply. The only thing I could quickly come up with when the video asked was, marriage & divorce. That's it, cut & dry. I would never come up what the commenters posted or what the artist originally wanted to say.

My art, if one can call it that, are things designed, fabricated and built. And almost always 'very functional' and has a use. Someone can say to me, 'I want this thing, to these things, and it need to fit in this space.' That I can visualize it in my head and a few napkin drawings/reiterations later I am off to gather materials to build it. Most are mechanical in nature. (I did fab up a copper wind chime once. I liked it, my wife didn't. :) ) They require cutting, drilling, machining, welding, etc. Materials are mostly metals, but some wood & plastics. To me Machining is art. You cut metal 'A' with metal 'B'. That in itself is still fascinating to me. Welding is too. This is one of the better examples of machining. The finish result aside, which is awesome, the coding required to tell the CNC 'how' to cut is immense!! Every move is a line of code. (professional machinists, let me have that broad brush statement :) )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADqDMwQOc2w 2:31 long

Being a black n white type of guy I think Jesse James is an artist. There are few of his ilk left any more. He can take a flat piece of sheet metal and shape it into the most perfect tear drop gas tank using old school tools. Most of it by hand. Sheet metal, motorcycle frames & headers. Few are as good and he put the Orange County Chopper guys to shame. They are complete hacks. :evil:

I guess what this wall of text is trying to say is, I don't 'feel' art like many do. Never have. Not sure I ever will. I am not 'moved' by art. I can't 'dissect it' like others can. My question is, is this something one learns like a skill? Or is one just born with it? I understand art, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. So one of my goals while at BM is to see if I can add 'emotion' when viewing art. Instead of figuring out how they built it..... :wink: Can this be done?
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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by TT120 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:39 pm

I'm not artsy either. I really don't get it other than how it was created. Burning man is full of art stuff but there are also lots of contraptions and things hand built out there. That's what fascinates me.
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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by FIGJAM » Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:23 am

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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by Dr. Pyro » Fri Apr 29, 2016 10:15 am

Someone once referred to Burning Man as "the Special Olympics of Art". I never thought of myself as an artist either, but when I created Barbie Death Camp people would swarm by to take in "the art". Nobody was more surprised than I was that 1) the camp was a hit; and 2) people's conception of "art" included that. Barbies being herded into ovens by Nazi G.I. Joes is art? Andy Warhol, eat your heart out.

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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by theCryptofishist » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:25 pm

  • You're overthinking
    Sometimes an artist can do a piece of art in a matter of hours, or even minutes, but it took years to learn how
    Artists aren't special people; each person is a special kind of artist (and I got that from a geology professor)
    Technique is an important part of art
    Art is part of the inheritance of all people, passed down from all our ancestors
    You may not have found your medium
    You may have found your medium, but not realized it
    Don't fuss--at bottom, art is doing something that you love and learning to share it with others
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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by EGAZ » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:39 pm

You're overthinking

Yea, I do that daily..... even on the littlest things...... :|

Probably one of the reasons I sleep very little... :?
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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by trilobyte » Sun May 01, 2016 7:56 am

I'm nudging this great discussion over to the Philosophical Center, because what better philosophical discussion can there be than 'what is an artist' :)

You might not be artsy in your mind, or even in the traditional sense (although, what constitutes the traditional sense these days) but that doesn't mean you don't have artistic abilities. Art can take many forms... hell, probably any form. Industrial and functional art may not feel like art to you, but it sure is (and it's one of my favorites). I can relate to how you feel - I think I felt largely the same way for a number of years. I'm not sure offhand if I came to the realization that stuff was art too beforehand, or if it was as a result of discovering and connecting with Burning Man.

I'm as inspired by the big crazy stuff out there as I am with the little stuff. Structural design and mechanics and logistics and stuff. Because it's such a weird and remote location, almost nothing is perfect for Burning Man off the shelf and winds up being tricked out, modified, or repurposed in some way.

To answer your question about feeling art... I think it's a matter of tapping into and connecting with it. I've gone through entire galleries worth of paintings and sculptures that took a lot of people an awful lot of time and expertise to create and not felt a thing. I've also experienced feelings of awe and inspiration when looking at or experiencing cool stuff. There are as many different reactions to art as there are people, I think.

I think that feeling emotion when experiencing art can be done, but I wouldn't recommend trying to force it. Just be open to the idea and see what happens. Burning Man is like a big open air gallery.. the stuff that doesn't do anything for you.. just keep on moving. But the stuff that does catch your eye - explore and investigate that. If you happen to talk to the artist or creator of the piece, say hello and tell him or her what you love about it. Those can be some great conversations, believe me. As an artist, it is both flattering and fascinating to hear what people connect with (and after months of struggling to make and bring a piece to the desert, it really feels good to hear that people enjoy it), and as a person admiring and enjoying someone else's art, I really like hearing the backstory behind a piece that I like, or to hear how a clever thing got made.

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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by Simon of the Playa » Sun May 01, 2016 11:23 am

just make sure to get Art's consent before you feel him.
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Re: Art and the non-artist guy

Post by EGAZ » Sun May 01, 2016 12:24 pm

Definitely! .... Don't want to offend Art.... :shock:
2nd time better than the first. And the first was pretty Freakin' Great!
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