Confessions.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:46 am

gigglesnort wrote:I confess I have bailed, yet again, on my coworkers so far today. I confess I don't rightly know why they haven't fired me yet. I confess I'm not sure if I'm actually wanting to keep this job or trying to lose it subconsciously. I confess I wish I knew a way to make a living that was as much fun as goofing around on the eplaya (I'm sure I'm all alone in that sentiment).

No, your not.....

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:48 am

When I was in junior high a number of us social outcasts sort of formed our own group of friends there was this one kid he was kind of on the periphery He was real geekie [ before Elvis Costello, or computers made geekie cool ] , he wasn't particularly smart and he must had had allergies or something because he always had a red nose. The only thing he seemed to be good at was ceramics so at least he had something, but he was really needy and if he felt any particular acceptance for you he would hand around constantly. He would be at your house early in the morning before anyone was up he would fallow you around like a puppy, he would try to wheedle an invitation to supper, and you'd have to kick him out when you wanted to go to bed. As a group we befriended him but tried to keep him in a more normal range of interaction. The acceptance we offered was limited but broad and he began to come around. We sort of lost track of him a little towards the end of 9th grade he wasn't hanging around with us as much. He was hit and killed by a drunk driver one night when he was walking someplace at 3 in the morning. I was never that close to him or any thing but I still have a part of me that feels responsible for the out casts and feel acceptance of them and cutting them some slack to be what they are is a good thing. Limits are good too every one has their own comfort level and every one needs to know how to function in the bounds of social morays. It seems like giving the socially inept a chance to relate to people in a social context is the only way to bring them around and helping them become people who can feel good about themselves others can enjoy being around.

I feel bad that DVD crossed the line, he'd been doing better at relating to people until recently when he returned to more of his old patterns. I guess we can only do what we can do, sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't....... I still feel a little like we some how failed him.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 11:54 am

i dunno Zule. i see what you're saying, but i also think he has choices to make.

the one time i called him on his shit i got answered with some pretty nasty, borderline threatening PMs. I'm not going to post them here - they aren't nearly that bad and i don't think it would be fair - but if people are like that when you set limits...

maybe you're right. we probably could do more. but i still think that DVD has the responsibility to interact how he wishes. most people on this board are pretty much just neutral toward him in their postings, which is, perhaps, not THAT different from your friends with this guy.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:12 pm

I know Rian He's a big boy and frankly at this point what the fuck can any of us really do anyway. Threatening anyone is bull shit and should never be tolerated. He has had a lot of chances to play well with others and still apparently can't handle it .

I think more than anything because he's around as much as he was the familiarity mad him a part of things and I hate to see someone I would loosely term "one of us" go anti-social.

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:16 pm

Zulegoona wrote:I know Rian He's a big boy and frankly at this point what the fuck can any of us really do anyway. Threatening anyone is bull shit and should never be tolerated. He has had a lot of chances to play well with others and still apparently can't handle it .

I think more than anything because he's around as much as he was the familiarity mad him a part of things and I hate to see someone I would loosely term "one of us" go anti-social.

Besides, who the hell else is Joel gonna bounce off of now?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:17 pm

I've long been confused at the passion he inspires around here. I enjoyed the "In 3 words" thread for a while--till it just got too much to follow. I was getting ready to do some sort of "Behave yourselves, Children" to him and Joel.

What I do find interesting is that when I went to SF decompression and met other e-playans, HE was the one that they missed meeting. So apparently there are other people on the board who see something else and like him.

glug glug

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:13 pm

I confess that I was thrilled when I heard DVD got the boot.

I cofess that I'm a little ashamed (but only a little) for feeling this way.

I confess that I'd thought he'd become much more civil in the last year or so.

I confess that I'll always remember the socks (5 or 6 - I lost track) and the VAST amount of posts he used to write EVERY SINGLE DAY (literally in the thousands when you add the socks he sometimes carried on long conversatons with).

I confess that arguements like, "You just don't get it" and "I thought you were smarter than that" make me want to puke. He used them daily, back when...

I confess I've lost track of all the people who've left this board SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF DVD. If you've been around for less than 2 years or so, you probably won't understand this...

I confess I have somewhat mixed feelings here. I also confess their not all that mixed.

And finally, I confess that I hope he learns something from this and returns. So there.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:19 pm

I also confess that 'there', 'their' and 'they're' all sound the same to me. The problem is that there, their, they're actually quite different in meaning.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:28 pm

I confess that I was thrilled when I heard DVD got the boot.

he did????

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:30 pm

I confess I do not feel I failed anyone on this board, except possibly myself for not refraining from participation in arguments I knew were going to end in statements like “You just don't get it" and "I thought you were smarter than that"

I confess responsibility for not exercising good judgement each and every time I posted a response to DVD.

I confess I don’t understand the use of socks as a credible form of expression.

I confess I hope no one leaves the board because of my posts.

I confess I can be a mean old cuss, here and in person.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:34 pm

I confess even though you aren’t that old I still consider you Our mean old cuss.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:36 pm

Zulegoona wrote:I confess even though you aren’t that old I still consider you Our mean old cuss.

seconded

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:37 pm

I confess that DVD didn't annoy me any more than a mosquito... which can be pretty fucking annoying!

I confess that I don't threaten... I 'do', but I hardly ever 'do' (not in years)

I confess that I don't miss him, although I miss the interchange between him and Joel.

And I confess that I will not be a surrogate DVD with Joel. I would have to act like a six year old to do that, and I won't. I would rather throw myself to the floor, kick my feet, and hold my breath until I turn blue if you make me do it... and you can't make me! Nyah! Nyah! Nyah!

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:42 pm

I confess I have no idea why people are upset with DVD posting and that there are other posts that I find more, uh, bothersome/confrontational/offensive. I also confess I have only been here since May (?) so I don't have the history that is mentioned above.

I confess that I'm pretty bothered that he's been given the boot and I'd like to see where/why that happened. I already read TP's comment on case studies.

I confess that I find the Joel-DVD intractions to be kind of goofy yet obviously important to each of them, and I don't pay much attention to their political rants. However I like them both for being who they are and being clever and not so clever with their insults.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:47 pm

I also confess that I'll be thinking about Zule's post about his experience with outcasts for the rest of the day... And then some. This rings LOUDLY with me and I confess I'm glad Zule brought it up. And I'm ashamed I didn't. I'll bet everyone of us mofos knows exactly what he's talking about...

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:49 pm

i confess i am mere mortal in comparison to my sister when comes to clever insults...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:52 pm

i confess that i've been ready to throttle both Joel and DVD over their recent war.

but then i figured i must annoy folks just as much so i shut my trap.

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:54 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:i confess that i've been ready to throttle both Joel and DVD over their recent war.

but then i figured i must annoy folks just as much so i shut my trap.

I confess: Not in a million, trillion years R-Jack.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:55 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:i confess that i've been ready to throttle both Joel and DVD over their recent war.

but then i figured i must annoy folks just as much so i shut my trap.

Not even if you had a spasmic avatar.

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:57 pm

I confess that when that officer let me off with just a warning last night I knew it was going to be a great evening...

and it was.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:00 pm

that requires a smiley:

tonytohono · Post by **tonytohono** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 2:13 pm

Zulegoona wrote:When I was in junior high a number of us social outcasts sort of formed our own group of friends there was this one kid he was kind of on the periphery He was real geekie [ before Elvis Costello, or computers made geekie cool ] , he wasn't particularly smart and he must had had allergies or something because he always had a red nose. The only thing he seemed to be good at was ceramics so at least he had something, but he was really needy and if he felt any particular acceptance for you he would hand around constantly. He would be at your house early in the morning before anyone was up he would fallow you around like a puppy, he would try to wheedle an invitation to supper, and you'd have to kick him out when you wanted to go to bed. As a group we befriended him but tried to keep him in a more normal range of interaction. The acceptance we offered was limited but broad and he began to come around. We sort of lost track of him a little towards the end of 9th grade he wasn't hanging around with us as much. He was hit and killed by a drunk driver one night when he was walking someplace at 3 in the morning. I was never that close to him or any thing but I still have a part of me that feels responsible for the out casts and feel acceptance of them and cutting them some slack to be what they are is a good thing. Limits are good too every one has their own comfort level and every one needs to know how to function in the bounds of social morays. It seems like giving the socially inept a chance to relate to people in a social context is the only way to bring them around and helping them become people who can feel good about themselves others can enjoy being around.

I feel bad that DVD crossed the line, he'd been doing better at relating to people until recently when he returned to more of his old patterns. I guess we can only do what we can do, sometimes the magic works and sometimes it doesn't....... I still feel a little like we some how failed him.

I can relate to this Zule. I don't know why, but I got along with DVD the moment I bumped into him on here. I also have communicated with him since he has been suspended, and I know he's pretty upset, and feels somewhat singled out.

I'm going to go out on a limb here... I've seen some of the messages he received and I have received some pretty harsh flames as well. I have not seen his responses, nor do I care to. But I do know that most people do not just throw out a major flame... it builds up.

I just hoped whoever made the decision to boot him for 30 days took all of that into consideration. Nothing is onesided.

On that note I'm going to butt out.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 3:38 pm

I confess that, while a pain in the ass, working down in the park on a project like the Space Mountain renewal is inspiring. Now, while I certainly don't like a lot of what this company does or how it does it, it does some things pretty well. So last night I was climbing around all the steel while walking up the ride track and I stopped and looked around and thought of the eplaya. I thought about all the times people here say wacky shit about the disnyeification of the playa and all that sort of shit. I also thought about it as I walked out of a completely empty and mostly dark park at 1 in the morning. On both of those occasions I looked around me and thought 'fuck, if I brought, say, the matterhorn up to BRC people would fucking flip out over how cool it was. Fuck, if I just brought up liftB with it's 8 channel RP cylindar it would fucking rock. Fuck, if I brought up one of our better ride vehicles it would be one of the better art cars. Fuck, the orbitron would be lovely in the deep playa.' I mean, I love the coaster that the guys from Michigan bring out but it's no space mountain. So what is it that sucks so much? Is it simply a matter of context? And if that is the case, what can be learned regarding that context as it pertains to the current 'art crisis' and the petition? I confess that I don't quite know.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 4:58 pm

stuart wrote:I confess that, while a pain in the ass, working down in the park on a project like the Space Mountain renewal is inspiring. Now, while I certainly don't like a lot of what this company does or how it does it, it does some things pretty well. So last night I was climbing around all the steel while walking up the ride track and I stopped and looked around and thought of the eplaya. I thought about all the times people here say wacky shit about the disnyeification of the playa and all that sort of shit. I also thought about it as I walked out of a completely empty and mostly dark park at 1 in the morning. On both of those occasions I looked around me and thought 'fuck, if I brought, say, the matterhorn up to BRC people would fucking flip out over how cool it was. Fuck, if I just brought up liftB with it's 8 channel RP cylindar it would fucking rock. Fuck, if I brought up one of our better ride vehicles it would be one of the better art cars. Fuck, the orbitron would be lovely in the deep playa.' I mean, I love the coaster that the guys from Michigan bring out but it's no space mountain. So what is it that sucks so much? Is it simply a matter of context? And if that is the case, what can be learned regarding that context as it pertains to the current 'art crisis' and the petition? I confess that I don't quite know.

Thanks for this, Stuart... I have seen the same things on the Playa myself... thinking "What is it about drinking in one of these bars, as opposed to drinking in a bar in Portland?" They both are pastimes that we enjoy, but why do we enjoy them. What is it about the Playa that makes everything different? Is it bare skin? Naw, Portland has 'tittie' bars galore, and the only one I've been in, I walked in by accident (shoot pool with my son. We left after one game). What about the Art? There are plenty of art galleries in Portland, but you can chop off a couple of fingers and still be able to count the number of art galleries here that I'ver really enjoyed. Then what is it?

Well... it's the perception of the participants. The people at Burning Man perceive that they are part of some larger community that embraces them, and whom they embrace. I haven't seen that in an art gallery, and I even though I've seen that in bars, it's usually been bars that I would want to get vaccinated for before I walk in.

It is the perception that makes it different. The People of BRC tend to appreciate things in a more child like way, with wide open perceptions and acceptance. Yeah, if you plunked Space Mountain in the middle of the Playa, the citizens would go batshit over it, but they would go batshit like six year olds... and the bars in the playa cater to six year old perceptions (not to actual six year olds... I hope)... and that is the difference. The Poi dancers just knock my socks off and take me back to that place of simplicity and wonder that I had when I was that age, and the constant thrump of the music (or what passes for music: How come no Mozart? Huh?) does the same thing.

It's just perception, Stuart. The next time you're in Space Mountain, try it as a six year old (uh... while doing your adult job, of course) and see what happens.

"Except ye enter the Kingdom of Heaven as a little child, ye cannot be saved" or something like that. The Dude knew what he was talking about.

And I confess that I forgot this was a confession thread and got all pompous and didactic... sorry...

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:21 pm

I confess I loooove theme parks and rides and the gross but yummy food they sell.

When people talk about disneyfication I think of turning it into the perfect little world that Disney creates and sells. Mainstreet America. Gets your ticket and steps right up (although is that not participating?) Not the rides. Would people really complain about a ride at BM? Not me. Do people not like the Ubercarnies? Is it not 'art' enough? Please bring a ride! You would be the coolest guy there. Er, not saying that you aren't already...

I confess that the last theme park I went to, in Idaho (no, you da ho!), made me feel like a freak, what with all the pudgy pasty straightlaced white religious people walking around. Pregnant young lady with T-shirt: growing a baby for Jesus. Seriously.

regynalonglank · Post by **regynalonglank** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:24 pm

i confess that i used to sit in disneyworld and epcot and throw trash on the ground to see how fast they would come pick it up...which was pretty freakin fast. i confess that pastel colors in that volume makes me want to hurt someone. and i confess that i miss spending all my time on eplaya...working sucks!

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:38 pm

O.K. then, if you guys can help me wrangle 100+ million dollars I will create e-ticket camp and we can all build a world class attraction in the deep playa. Fuck Jim Mason and his propane farts run amock. We're gonna do it pro-style!

Lets start a petition!

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:41 pm

I confess, that I dicked around on my work computer all freekin day while I caught up on scheduling, emails, progress reports, resource reports, EMS run sheets, but I don;t feel bad after yesterdays festivities. ht

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:43 pm

Okay. Don't they have some sort of foundation or something that we can get money from?

I confess that I'm thinking maybe we should just screw the playa and all go hang out at the motel 6 in Anaheim and spend the week at Disney instead. We could run amok and would be fun. Camp eplaya/motel 6! 66!

I confess I find the idea of propane farts to be rather gross.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 5:44 pm

i confess i was digging the text above until the figure "$100 million" and "petition" flashed across the screen.