25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

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25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by kgk » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:17 pm

I'm designing a monkey hut to cover 5-7 tents.

I want to make the ribs 25' long, to give us room for larger tents and a bit of extra space to walk compared to the classic 10' wide monkeylove hut (25' ribs would give us ~13' of floor space). However, the tricky part is that we don't have a large enough trailer to fit 10' long poles.

My current plan is to cut the poles (1" PVC pipes) into 5' sections, and connect them with 2' connectors (1.25" PVC) to make 25' ribs. The connectors won't have any glue or duct tape -- several other posts on this forum claim that the friction is enough to keep them in place. The connectors will have a screw in the middle though to keep them from falling down. Others have said this is workable with 20' ribs (4 sections of 5').

Also, I'm planning to go spineless, and just use 2 "rope spines" with guy lines on each face.

Does anybody have experience having 5 sections in a monkey hut this big? Is this a good plan? Would love any feedback, this is my first year :)

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Re: 25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by Token » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:26 pm

So lemme get this straight.

You want to take 5 x 5' pipes, connect them with 4 x 2' sections of up sized pipe then flex that somehow to get a 1/2 circle?

You will have three x 3' sections of the base diameter pipe to give you all that flex, 180 degrees.

The 2' sections where you connect with oversized pipe will not flex much if at all. The ends likely go on rebar so little flex.

So each 3' section will flex 60 degrees.

Good luck with that. Try at home first with your crew like right now. Wear helmets.

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Re: 25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by Ano » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:02 pm

I can't speak to your specific plan, but in my experience, the Monkey Hut is a great structure in its base configuration, but it does not scale very well. If you try to make it bigger, it becomes more and more of a danger.

I had two experiences -

One was with a camp building two long monkey huts. I can't give you the exact dimensions, but I want to say it was the standard-size hut with more three or four more ribs added on. It did fine until the wind picked up, and then it just completely mangled itself. Once one part of it fails, since the whole thing is done together with tension and a bit of voodoo, it seems to explode and pop in a very magical way. It was pretty cool to witness from about twenty feet away, because we all had to run out of camp screaming bloody murder when the wind picked up. I don't camp with them anymore.

The other was building a variant, called a Galaxy hut. The thing was absolutely huge, but again I lack dimensions. We tied it down multiple times with ropes over the top ribs and other fastening that I'm too lazy to go into detail here, but it again failed spectacularly as soon as the wind picked up. It looked kind of like a dinosaur, actually, as it failed. We had to mangle the tarp and cut holes all over it in order to get it to stay on the ground. That was a windy year.

The point is, you might want to look elsewhere for your solution. Monkey Huts don't seem to scale well in my experience...

...and in my opinion, Monkey Huts work great when the Playa isn't acting up. Both of my previous experiences, the things worked great until Burning Man started to happen, and then they just failed spectacularly.

Oh, the one regular sized Monkey Hut I still know of is the one I originally built in 2011, which has survived being on Playa every single year, perfectly fine. We did have to tie it down a little extra, but it's survived many pre and post-even storms of ugly propotions.

So, it has that going for it.

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Re: 25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by kgk » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:28 am

Token wrote:So lemme get this straight.

You want to take 5 x 5' pipes, connect them with 4 x 2' sections of up sized pipe then flex that somehow to get a 1/2 circle?
Yup
Token wrote:You will have three x 3' sections of the base diameter pipe to give you all that flex, 180 degrees.

The 2' sections where you connect with oversized pipe will not flex much if at all. The ends likely go on rebar so little flex.

So each 3' section will flex 60 degrees.
The rebar will protrude from the ground about a foot. So the 2 sections that you didn't include will also have 3' that can flex; same as the others. I've seen at least one 2 others on eplaya who have tried this with 4 5' sections and had good results.
Token wrote:Good luck with that. Try at home first with your crew like right now. Wear helmets.
Definitely! I'm hoping to have time to get parts for a couple ribs and do a mini test build this weekend. I'll try to post pics too. I have a couple variations that I want to try too.

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Re: 25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by kgk » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:38 am

Ano wrote:I can't speak to your specific plan, but in my experience, the Monkey Hut is a great structure in its base configuration, but it does not scale very well. If you try to make it bigger, it becomes more and more of a danger.

I had two experiences -

One was with a camp building two long monkey huts. I can't give you the exact dimensions, but I want to say it was the standard-size hut with more three or four more ribs added on. It did fine until the wind picked up, and then it just completely mangled itself. Once one part of it fails, since the whole thing is done together with tension and a bit of voodoo, it seems to explode and pop in a very magical way. It was pretty cool to witness from about twenty feet away, because we all had to run out of camp screaming bloody murder when the wind picked up. I don't camp with them anymore.
Ah man, that sounds absolutely crazy.

I'm very curious how it failed. Did a T connector break?
Ano wrote:The other was building a variant, called a Galaxy hut. The thing was absolutely huge, but again I lack dimensions. We tied it down multiple times with ropes over the top ribs and other fastening that I'm too lazy to go into detail here, but it again failed spectacularly as soon as the wind picked up. It looked kind of like a dinosaur, actually, as it failed. We had to mangle the tarp and cut holes all over it in order to get it to stay on the ground. That was a windy year.
Ahaha did you happen to catch that on video?

Curious how this failed too. This one sounds like some of the pipes got lifted off the rebar.

How were you securing the tarp to the ground?

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Re: 25-foot Monkey Hut with 5-foot poles

Post by Token » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:04 am

OK, so with 5 X sections that flex it is 36 degrees which is much better.

I'd stock up some tape just to hold the joint pipes in place before bending. All I keep seeing in my head is two cool cats putting tension on the rib when one of the joint pipes slips and its pole vault smack to the forehead when the spring releases.

Are you sure you don't have a way to get 10' out there? Maybe a cheap roof rack then tie the pipes in an arc bumper to bumper? Seen lots of that over the decades.

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