P. J. O'Rourke Quotefest 2004

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:35 pm

I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
Without ever having felt sorry for itself.

-- D.H. Lawrence

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:49 pm

And... my favorite, when I'm feeling sorry for myself...

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Nov 29, 2004 9:57 am

"If you don't believe in selfless service, you are not going to make it in this business," said Army Command Sgt. Maj. James R. Jordan (brother of Michael Jordan) speaking of the Army.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:15 am

"Chance favors the prepared mind" Louis Pasteur

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:20 am

"Children are made of eyes and ears, and nothing, however minute, escapes their microscopic observation." Fanny Kemble.

Fanny Kemble and Pierce Butler
1806 - 1893

Their own private civil war would foreshadow the country's. Fanny Kemble was an abolitionist; her husband Pierce Butler was a slaveholder. With such diametrically opposed views, it's no wonder that their initially blissful marriage would end in divorce.

Frances Anne (Fanny) Kemble was born on November 27, 1809 in London, England. From one of England's most prominent family of actors, she took to the stage herself to save her family from financial ruin. Though a brilliant actress, the stage was not the true love of Fanny Kemble -- her first love was for literature and writing. Throughout her life she would be a prolific and accomplished writer of plays, journals, poetry, letters, and memoirs.

Fanny Kemble was a strong and spirited person. She had no formal training as an actress, but held audiences spellbound with the sheer force of her personality. She was described as having "masculine" characteristics: she was independent, physically strong, and highly intelligent. And she did not hide her talents, but lived them out passionately. In addition to acting and writing, Kemble spoke French fluently, read widely, and was an accomplished musician. She loved the natural world and had a passion for vigorous exercise, especially riding.

In 1832, Fanny set out on a two-year theater tour in America, where she was received with great enthusiasm. Audiences were enraptured, and she was soon being introduced to political and cultural dignitaries.

One of her most ardent admirers was a man named Pierce Butler. Born into a wealthy and prominent Philadelphia family in 1806, Pierce was the grandson of Revolutionary War veteran Major Pierce Butler. Major Butler was a U.S. Senator from South Carolina and the author of the Constitution's fugitive slave clause. He owned two plantations in Georgia: one on St. Simon's Island, where sea-island cotton was grown, and one on Butler Island, where rice was grown. He also owned a mansion in Philadelphia and a country home near the city. In 1812, Major Butler owned 638 slaves and was one of the wealthiest men in the United States. Pierce Bulter, the grandson, stood to inherit this fortune (and to become one of the largest slaveholders in the nation) when he met Fanny Kemble in 1832.

Pierce Butler became infatuated with Fanny Kemble after seeing her perform. He followed her devotedly while she toured. He was charming, solicitous. Fanny fell in love with him, and they were married in 1834 in Philadelphia. In marrying Pierce, Fanny escaped the life of the theater and her family's precarious finances and entered a life of wealth. At that time, she would later state, she did not know the source of this wealth.

The marriage was troubled nearly from the start. Fanny believed that Pierce would continue in his devotion, and Pierce believed that Fanny would curb her independent nature and allow herself to be ruled by him. Differences in opinion on slavery also created friction. Pierce thought he could persuade Fanny of the benefits of slavery; Fanny thought she could persuade Pierce to emancipate his slaves. Early in their marriage Fanny even attempted to publish an antislavery treatise that she had written. Pierce forbid her to do so.

In March of 1836, Pierce and his brother John inherited the Georgia plantations. Fanny wanted to see the plantation firsthand, and begged Butler to take her with him. He refused to do so on his first trip, but finally relented. In December of 1838, Pierce, Fanny, their two children Sarah and Frances, and their Irish nurse Margery O'Brien set out for Butler Island. After travelling for nine days by train, stage and steamboat, they arrived at their destination. Nothing in Fanny's life had prepared her for this place.

Kemble spent four months on Butler and St. Simon's Islands. During that time she and Pierce clashed frequently over the issue of slavery. Fanny recorded her experiences in letters which she later compiled and published as her Journal of a Residence on a Georgian Plantation. It is the closest, most-detailed look at plantation slavery ever recorded by a white northern abolitionist.

By the time the Butlers returned to Philadelphia, their marriage was in turmoil. Life for Fanny went from bad to worse as Pierce harassed and ignored her and prevented her from seeing their children. Finally, Fanny gave up her attempts at reconciliation, and left for England. While there, she resumed her life in the theater by performing readings of Shakespeare. She was in the midst of a successful run when she learned that Pierce was suing her for divorce. He contended that she had "willfully, maliciously, and without due cause, deserted him on September 11, 1845." He filed for divorce on April 7, 1848.

Fanny returned to America to defend herself against his charges. After a long and painful court proceeding, the divorce was granted in September of 1849. Fanny would be allowed to spend two months every summer with her children, and Pierce would pay her $1500 a year in alimony.

Fanny continued to support herself in the U.S. and in Europe with her highly acclaimed Shakespearian readings. Pierce, however, fell further and further into economic ruin, as he squandered away his vast fortune in gambling and stock market speculation. In 1856 his situation became so severe that the management of his finances was handed over to three trustees. To satisfy his enormous debt, they began by selling the Philadelphia mansion and liquidating other properties. But this was not enough. The trustees turned their attention to the property in Georgia, which consisted mostly of human beings.

In February 1859, the men travelled to Georgia to appraise Pierce Butler's share of the slaves. Each person was examined and his or her value assessed. This was the preparation for what would be the largest single sale of human beings in United States history. It was an event that would come to be known as "the weeping time."

Pierce's financial situation was saved at the expense of his former slaves. In the meantime, the country hovered on the brink of civil war. In 1861 the war erupted. Again the family was divided: Fanny Kemble and their daughter Sarah were pro-North; Pierce Butler and their daughter Frances were pro-South. In early 1861 Pierce and Frances went to Georgia. Upon their return to Philadelphia in August, Pierce was arrested for treason; in September he was released. He did not return to the South until after the war.

Following the war, Pierce Butler returned to Butler Island with his daughter Frances. He found numbers of former slaves living there, and arranged that they would work for him as share-croppers. Management of the plantation was difficult, and though Frances returned to Philadelphia, Pierce remained on the island despite the dangers of disease. He contracted malaria and died in August 1867.

Following Pierce's death, Frances returned to Butler Island to continue organizing the plantation, and Fanny Kemble moved to Philadelphia. Throughout her life, Fanny continued to perform dramatic readings, to travel, and to publish her journals. Fanny Kemble died peacefully in London on January 15, 1893.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:59 am

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line seperating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties but right through every human heart and all human hearts.

Alexander SolzhenitsynThe Gulag Archipelago

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:30 pm

Simply Joel wrote:Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line seperating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties but right through every human heart and all human hearts.

Alexander SolzhenitsynThe Gulag Archipelago

Amen (St. Paul)

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:09 am

"Dying is hard, but everyone has to do it, and I hope I do it well."

Verona Johnston

and paraphrasing conversely

"Living is hard, but everyone has to do it, and I hope I do it well"

Oldest American Dies at Age 114 in Ohio

WORTHINGTON, Ohio - America's oldest person, a 114-year-old woman who voted in every election since women earned the right in 1920 and had the thinnest file in her doctor's office, has died.

Verona Johnston died Wednesday at home in Worthington, said her daughter, Julie Johnson.

"She just wore out," Johnson said. "She was still very sharp up until a few months ago."

Johnson said her mother was "ready to go," and that shortly before her death she said: "Dying is hard, but everyone has to do it, and I hope I do it well."

Johnston moved to Ohio at age 98 to live with Johnson and her husband, both in their 80s.

She was born Aug. 6, 1890, in Indianola, Iowa. She was the eighth of nine children born to Civil War veteran Joseph Calhoun and Emma Speer Calhoun.

Johnston voted in every election since women earned the right in 1920, even casting an absentee ballot in November.

Relatives said Johnston lived a wholesome life, rarely visited doctors and never used the deductible on her health insurance policy. The secretary at her doctor's office said Johnston had the thinnest file on record.

Johnston attended Drake University in Des Moines, Iowa, where she studied Latin and graduated in 1912. At the time, tuition was $54 per year.

Johnston taught Latin in high schools across Iowa. She married Harry Johnston, an Iowa physician who died in 1970.

After her husband's death, Johnston traveled across Europe, taking detailed notes to share with friends when she returned.

Johnson said her mother enjoyed books, and read large-print books with a magnifying glass until she had to switch to books on tape.

Johnston's survivors include four children, 13 grandchildren and 23 great-grandchildren.

The oldest living American is now Bettie Wilson of Mississippi, and Hendrikje van Andel of the Netherlands is the world's oldest person, according to the Gerontology Research Group. Both are 114.

Van Andel was born June 29, 1890, and Wilson was born on Sept. 13 in that year.

I find her last words inspire me to "do it well" whatever it is that i am doing.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:36 am

"So is growing marijuana in your own home for your own medical consumption "interstate commerce," as the government alleges?

I think the answer is clear: No, it isn't."

MAGGIE GALLAGHER

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 5:39 am

Please read the bold sentence.... i believe that says alot about the art funding arguments, but hey what do i know?

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Jack Rabbit Speaks

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Sun Dec 05, 2004 12:04 pm

Overheard at Portland SantaCon, as 205 Santa's were walking from the Portland Max station to the bowling alley, a long ways away:

It's the Santa Death March

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:05 am

"We're going out where the bad guys live, and we're going to slay them in their ZIP code."
LT. COL. MARK A. SMITH, commander of the 2nd Battalion of the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit in Iraq.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:02 am

samtzu wrote:I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself.
A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough
Without ever having felt sorry for itself.

-- D.H. Lawrence

This is still relevant to me today... sorry for the repeat

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:47 am

"Within two decades, most of the world's knowledge will be digitized and available, one hopes for free reading on the Internet, just as there is free reading in libraries today."
MICHAEL A. KELLER, Stanford University's head librarian.

December 14, 2004
Google Is Adding Major Libraries to Its Database
By JOHN MARKOFF and EDWARD WYATT

Google, the operator of the world's most popular Internet search service, plans to announce an agreement today with some of the nation's leading research libraries and Oxford University to begin converting their holdings into digital files that would be freely searchable over the Web.

It may be only a step on a long road toward the long-predicted global virtual library. But the collaboration of Google and research institutions that also include Harvard, the University of Michigan, Stanford and the New York Public Library is a major stride in an ambitious Internet effort by various parties. The goal is to expand the Web beyond its current valuable, if eclectic, body of material and create a digital card catalog and searchable library for the world's books, scholarly papers and special collections.

Google - newly wealthy from its stock offering last summer - has agreed to underwrite the projects being announced today while also adding its own technical abilities to the task of scanning and digitizing tens of thousands of pages a day at each library.

Although Google executives declined to comment on its technology or the cost of the undertaking, others involved estimate the figure at $10 for each of the more than 15 million books and other documents covered in the agreements. Librarians involved predict the project could take at least a decade.

Because the Google agreements are not exclusive, the pacts are almost certain to touch off a race with other major Internet search providers like Amazon, Microsoft and Yahoo. Like Google, they might seek the right to offer online access to library materials in return for selling advertising, while libraries would receive corporate help in digitizing their collections for their own institutional uses.

"Within two decades, most of the world's knowledge will be digitized and available, one hopes for free reading on the Internet, just as there is free reading in libraries today," said Michael A. Keller, Stanford University's head librarian.

The Google effort and others like it that are already under way, including projects by the Library of Congress to put selections of its best holdings online, are part of a trend to potentially democratize access to information that has long been available to only small, select groups of students and scholars.

Last night the Library of Congress and a group of international libraries from the United States, Canada, Egypt, China and the Netherlands announced a plan to create a publicly available digital archive of one million books on the Internet. The group said it planned to have 70,000 volumes online by next April.

"Having the great libraries at your fingertips allows us to build on and create great works based on the work of others," said Brewster Kahle, founder and president of the Internet Archive, a San Francisco-based digital library that is also trying to digitize existing print information.

The agreements to be announced today will allow Google to publish the full text of only those library books old enough to no longer be under copyright. For copyrighted works, Google would scan in the entire text, but make only short excerpts available online.

Each agreement with a library is slightly different. Google plans to digitize nearly all the eight million books in Stanford's collection and the seven million at Michigan. The Harvard project will initially be limited to only about 40,000 volumes. The scanning at Bodleian Library at Oxford will be limited to an unspecified number of books published before 1900, while the New York Public Library project will involve fragile material not under copyright that library officials said would be of interest primarily to scholars.

The trend toward online libraries and virtual card catalogs is one that already has book publishers scrambling to respond.

At least a dozen major publishing companies, including some of the country's biggest producers of nonfiction books - the primary target for the online text-search efforts - have already entered ventures with Google and Amazon that allow users to search the text of copyrighted books online and read excerpts.

Publishers including HarperCollins, the Penguin Group, Houghton Mifflin and Scholastic have signed up for both the Google and Amazon programs. The largest American trade publisher, Random House, participates in Amazon's program but is still negotiating with Google, which calls its program Google Print.

The Amazon and Google programs work by restricting the access of users to only a few pages of a copyrighted book during each search, offering enough to help them decide whether the book meets their requirements enough to justify ordering the print version. Those features restrict a user's ability to copy, cut or print the copyrighted material, while limiting on-screen reading to a few pages at a time. Books still under copyright at the libraries involved in Google's new project are likely to be protected by similar restrictions.

The challenge for publishers in coming years will be to continue to have libraries serve as major influential buyers of their books, without letting the newly vast digital public reading rooms undermine the companies' ability to make money commissioning and publishing authors' work.

From the earliest days of the printing press, book publishers were wary of the development of libraries at all. In many instances, they opposed the idea of a central facility offering free access to books that people would otherwise be compelled to buy.

But as libraries developed and publishers became aware that they could be among their best customers, that opposition faded. Now publishers aggressively court librarians with advance copies of books, seeking positive reviews of books in library journals and otherwise trying to influence the opinion of the people who influence the reading habits of millions. Some of that promotional impulse may translate to the online world, publishing executives say.

But at least initially, the search services are likely to be most useful to publishers whose nonfiction backlists, or catalogs of previously published titles, are of interest to scholars but do not sell regularly enough to be carried in large quantities in retail stores, said David Steinberger, the president and chief executive the Perseus Books Group, which publishes mostly nonfiction books under the Basic Books, PublicAffairs, Da Capo and other imprints.

Based on his experiences with Amazon's and Google's commercial search services so far, Mr. Steinberger said, "I think there is minimal risk, or virtually no risk, of copyrighted material being misused." But he said he would object to a library's providing copyrighted material online without a license. "If you're talking about the instantaneous, free distribution of books, I think that would represent a problem," Mr. Steinberger said.

For their part, libraries themselves will have to rethink their central missions as storehouses of printed, indexed material.

"Our world is about to change in a big, big way," said Daniel Greenstein, university librarian for the California Digital Library of the University of California, which is a project to organize and retain existing digital materials.

Instead of expending considerable time and money to managing their collections of printed materials, Mr. Greenstein said, libraries in the future can devote more energy to gathering information and making it accessible - and more easily manageable - online.

But Paul LeClerc, the president and chief executive of the New York Public Library, sees Web access as an expansion of libraries' reach, not a replacement for physical collections. "Librarians will add a new dimension to their work," Mr. LeClerc said. "They will not abandon their mission of collecting printed material and keeping them for decades and even centuries."

Google's founders, Sergey Brin and Larry Page, have long vowed to make all of the world's information accessible to anyone with a Web browser. The agreements to be announced today will put them a few steps closer to that goal - at least in terms of the English-language portion of the world's information. Mr. Page said yesterday that the project traced to the roots of Google, which he and Mr. Brin founded in 1998 after taking a leave from a graduate computer science program at Stanford where they worked on a "digital libraries" project. "What we first discussed at Stanford is now becoming practical," Mr. Page said.

At Stanford, Google hopes to be able to scan 50,000 pages a day within the month, eventually doubling that rate, according to a person involved in the project.

The Google plan calls for making the library materials available as part of Google's regular Web service, which currently has an estimated eight billion Web pages in its database and tens of millions of users a day. As with the other information on its service, Google will sell advertising to generate revenue from its library material. (In it existing Google Print program, the company shares advertising revenue with the participating book publishers.)

Each library, meanwhile, will receive its own copy of the digital database created from that institution's holdings, which the library can make available through its own Web site if it chooses.

Harvard officials said they would be happy to use the Internet to share their collections widely. "We have always thought of our libraries at Harvard as being a global resource," said Lawrence H. Summers, president of Harvard.

At least initially, Google's digitizing task will be labor intensive, with people placing the books and documents on sophisticated scanners whose high-resolution cameras capture an image of each page and convert it to a digital file.

Google, whose corporate campus in Mountain View, Calif., is just a few miles from Stanford, plans to transport books to a copying center it has established at its headquarters. There the books will be scanned and then returned to the Stanford libraries. Google plans to set up remote scanning operations at both Michigan and Harvard.

The company refused to comment on the technology that it was using to digitize books, except to say that it was nondestructive. But according to a person who has been briefed on the project, Google's technology is more labor-intensive than systems that are already commercially available.

Two small start-up companies, 4DigitalBooks of St. Aubin, Switzerland, and Kirtas Technologies of Victor, N.Y., are selling systems that automatically turn pages to capture images.

Copyright 2004 The New York Times Company

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Dec 15, 2004 9:54 am

"When I was growing up in Ohio all I wanted to do was play guitar and sing in a rock band. I went to England and it happened but sadly our glory days were short lived."

== Pretenders leader CHRISSIE HYNDE, who will accept the band's induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on behalf of late bandmates JAMES HONEYMAN SCOTT and PETE FARNDON.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Dec 28, 2004 9:25 am

"I'm going into rehab because I use too much wine and Vicodin."

--Comedian George Carlin, who became a counter-culture hero in the 1970s with routines about drugs and dirty words, on his entering a drug and alcohol treatment program.

buckethead alien · Post by **buckethead alien** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:07 am

<i>A work that aspires, however humbly, to the condition of art should carry its justification in every line.

And art itself may be defined as a single-minded attempt to render the highest kind of justice to the visible universe, by bringing to light the truth, manifold and one, underlying its every aspect. It is an attempt to find in its forms, in its colours, in its light, in its shadows, in the aspects of matter and in the facts of life, what of each is fundamental, what is enduring and essential -- their one illuminating and convincing quality -- the very truth of their existence.

~ Joseph Conrad

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Jan 31, 2005 6:27 am

"A hundred names on the ballot are better than one, because it means that we are free."
FADILA SALEH, an Iraqi voter.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:37 am

"We all want success in Iraq, especially us who lost sons. To see the Iraqi people thumbing their nose at insurgents and terrorists and saying, 'We're going to go vote,' there's a sense of pride and yet it can be sobering."
NELSON CARMAN, whose 20-year-old son died while fighting in Iraq.

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:24 am

And the first rude sketch that the world had seen was joy to his mighty heart, till the Devil whispered behind the leaves "It's pretty, but is it Art?"
- Rudyard Kipling

Simply Joel · Post by **Simply Joel** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:10 pm

"The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly, and lie about your age." -Lucille Ball

"Either control your own destiny, or someone else will." John F Welch Jr.

Mr. John F. Welch, Jr.
Chairman & CEO
General Electric Company

Mr. Welch, a native of Salem, Massachusetts, received his B.S. degree in chemical engineering from the University of Massachusetts in 1957 and his M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in chemical engineering from the University of Illinois.

He joined General Electric Company in 1960 and was elected Vice President in 1972 and Vice Chairman in 1979. In 1981, he became the eighth Chairman and CEO in the Company's 117-year history.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:52 am

"I am free of all prejudices. I hate everyone equally." W.C. Fields

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:55 am

'I wanna buy a drink for all my friends'

Mikey Rourke in "Barfly"

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:00 am

"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, nor attracted much sustained inquiry." Harry G. Frankfurt, emeritus professor of philosophy at Princeton

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:34 pm

People only see what they are prepared to see.
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:46 am

Doonesbury

"Are you stoned?" asks the obese lady.

"Yes, but this isn't about me." replies Zonker Harris.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:52 am

"Remember the Alamo! Shoot 'em!" Ted Nugent screamed to applause. "To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em."

the_iconoclast · Post by **the_iconoclast** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:15 am

"And perhaps the great day will come when a people, distinguished by wars and victories and by the highest development of a military order and intelligence, and accustomed to make the heaviest sacrifices for these things, will exclaim of its own free will, "We break the sword," and will smash its entire military establishment down to its lowest foundations. Rendering oneself unarmed when one has been the best-armed, out of a height of felling-that is the means to real peace, which must always rest on a peace of mind; whereas the so-called armed peace, as it now exists in all countries, is the absence of peace of mind. One trusts neither oneself nor one's neighbor and, half from hatred, half from fear, does not lay own arms. Rather perish than hate and fear, and twice rather perish than make oneself hated and feared- this must some day become the highest maxim for every single commonwealth, too."
Frederich Nietzsche

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:21 am

History does not smile kindly on pacifists.

the_iconoclast · Post by **the_iconoclast** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:38 am

Kinetic IV wrote:History does not smile kindly on pacifists.

I tend to agree... but it is a nice thought. Hell, I spent 9 years in the Military - 5 of those as a combat engineer... I just like the sentiment and find its source interesting..

P. J. O'Rourke Quotefest 2004

A little background for the reader, too.

Marijuana liberation from a conservative

hmmmmm?

A funny thing happened on the way to the polling station...

Bullshit!

Yes, but this isn't about me.

Ted Nugent speaks to the NRA, Houston TX 17 Apr 05