The Bar

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:27 am

BlueBirdPoof wrote:
Zulegoona wrote:I just read on 3playa last night they were going to have one at chickens bar and they had a conference call set up, I have no idea what came of it.

Just wondering if they were getting there shit together.
Tyr pming the parties involved? Although if you got quizzed by the rest of us pm confidentiality might be comprimised.

>always first with a less than helpful suggestion<

I'm curious but not that curious, I guess I can wait to see how it unfolds.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:27 am

sputnik wrote:Rian, I am a coffee snob, I admit it. If I lived in Seattle I would be moreso. I've drank Caffe' D'Arte for about 10 years now. When the shop that carried it here went under I mail ordered for a while until a new place opened. Now I have two that I can get it at, a plus for me since one is close to work and the other close to home. My personal favs are the alderwood roasted variety of espresso, Fabriano.

I can be one, too. It's one of those things - once you learn to distinguish between coffees, you don't want to drink the shitty stuff.

This is why i can't have non-virtual top shelf liquor. I'd go broke. As it is, i drink the crap that i can afford and live in blissful ignorance.

Hey, anyone wanna join my religion??

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:30 am

sputnik wrote:Rian, I am a coffee snob, I admit it. If I lived in Seattle I would be moreso.

Oh Poof!! Since when is Seattle coffee ahead of SF coffee?

Sure I can slum it--sometimes a fix is a fix, but dang. We were drinking real coffee in the 50s! (No me personally, but San Franciscans--and Berkeley's Peets is 35 years old.)

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:34 am

Rian Jackson wrote: Hey, anyone wanna join my religion??

Well, can I get a full discription of benefits and duties?

Any blood sacrafice of squirrells?
Do I ever have to get up early in the morning?
What's the coffee like?
How about the liquor?
How accessable are the divinites?
Whom do I get to smite?
Do I have to cut off any body parts?
Any orgies?
Do I get a signing bonus?
Do I get guarenteed tickets to the 05 event?
Are trolls and socks allowed?

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:36 am

BlueBirdPoof wrote:
sputnik wrote:Rian, I am a coffee snob, I admit it. If I lived in Seattle I would be moreso.
Oh Poof!! Since when is Seattle coffee ahead of SF coffee?

Sure I can slum it--sometimes a fix is a fix, but dang. We were drinking real coffee in the 50s! (No me personally, but San Franciscans--and Berkeley's Peets is 35 years old.)

maybe i'm wrong here, but my understanding is that Peets, the parent company of Starfucks, is a seattle establishment. but as i said, i could be wrong on that one.

[grumble]san franciscans[/grumble]

wait - what's 'real' coffee? i've come across a lot of definitions...

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:36 am

Hey, anyone wanna join my religion??

Ok if your going to have fire spinning alter girls,.. Yeah, say can I be a cult,.. I mean a church elder.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:37 am

for all of that, i have a big soft spot for the trucker coffee at the Cannonball truck stop in cannon falls, MN...

I HAVE THE SAME SOFT SPOT!

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:39 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
samtzu wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote: oh, Sam, are you sayin' you like me?

Well, yeah...

And hold the cream and sugar, please...

But throw a little scotch in there...
*proceeds to throw scotch down her thoat and clutch cream and sugar in her hands*

I didn't know you had named them... Cream and Sugar work for me...

... Kinda' like 'Woodrow', eh!?...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:50 am

BlueBirdPoof wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote: Hey, anyone wanna join my religion??
Well, can I get a full discription of benefits and duties?

no.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:52 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
BlueBirdPoof wrote:
sputnik wrote:Rian, I am a coffee snob, I admit it. If I lived in Seattle I would be moreso.
Oh Poof!! Since when is Seattle coffee ahead of SF coffee?

Sure I can slum it--sometimes a fix is a fix, but dang. We were drinking real coffee in the 50s! (No me personally, but San Franciscans--and Berkeley's Peets is 35 years old.)
maybe i'm wrong here, but my understanding is that Peets, the parent company of Starfucks, is a seattle establishment. but as i said, i could be wrong on that one.

[grumble]san franciscans[/grumble]

wait - what's 'real' coffee? i've come across a lot of definitions...

The Peet's Website wrote:In 1966 Alfred Peet opened the first Peet's store and coffee roastary at Walnut and Vine in Berkeley.

There's more, but obviously they don't talk about the Starbucks connection. They are and always have been seperate companys. The founder (or founders--I'm a little hazy here) learned what he knew about coffee from Mr. Peet by working at his store--then went to Seattle and opened the original Starbucks. Someone else took over that and did the whole business of making it ubiquitous.

And Peet's is not the oldest coffee house in Berkeley. Cafe Mediteranian on Telegraph Avenue is older and since it had a hip beatnik clientel in the 1950s and/or early 60s I assume that means esspresso. And Cafe Trieste in North Beach San Francisco--an Italian section of town, pre-dates that.

I still find that Peet's french roasts are stomach clenchingly oily.

Some of this is the knowledge I've picked up by living here on and off for 35 years.

Some is from this website:
http://www.peets.com/who_we_are/history_vine.asp

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:52 am

GuinivereElise wrote:
for all of that, i have a big soft spot for the trucker coffee at the Cannonball truck stop in cannon falls, MN...
I HAVE THE SAME SOFT SPOT!

Wait - the EXACT SAME soft spot? The cannonball in particular???

Oh, be still my beating heart!
I spent a lot of holidays in CF with my roommate's fabulous family.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:54 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
GuinivereElise wrote:
for all of that, i have a big soft spot for the trucker coffee at the Cannonball truck stop in cannon falls, MN...
I HAVE THE SAME SOFT SPOT!
Wait - the EXACT SAME soft spot? The cannonball in particular???

Paulo's cafe in Chico, Mississippi Mud. Yum.

Zulegoona · Post by **Zulegoona** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:58 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
GuinivereElise wrote:
for all of that, i have a big soft spot for the trucker coffee at the Cannonball truck stop in cannon falls, MN...
I HAVE THE SAME SOFT SPOT!
Wait - the EXACT SAME soft spot? The cannonball in particular???

Oh, be still my beating heart!
I spent a lot of holidays in CF with my roommate's fabulous family.

I used to stop there on my way to Iowa for Holidays.

I got an expired tags ticket on a van there when a state trooper pulled up to get gas at the pump behind me.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 9:59 am

BlueBirdPoof wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote:
BlueBirdPoof wrote:Oh Poof!! Since when is Seattle coffee ahead of SF coffee?

Sure I can slum it--sometimes a fix is a fix, but dang. We were drinking real coffee in the 50s! (No me personally, but San Franciscans--and Berkeley's Peets is 35 years old.)
maybe i'm wrong here, but my understanding is that Peets, the parent company of Starfucks, is a seattle establishment. but as i said, i could be wrong on that one.

[grumble]san franciscans[/grumble]

wait - what's 'real' coffee? i've come across a lot of definitions...

The Peet's Website wrote:In 1966 Alfred Peet opened the first Peet's store and coffee roastary at Walnut and Vine in Berkeley.
There's more, but obviously they don't talk about the Starbucks connection. They are and always have been seperate companys. The founder (or founders--I'm a little hazy here) learned what he knew about coffee from Mr. Peet by working at his store--then went to Seattle and opened the original Starbucks. Someone else took over that and did the whole business of making it ubiquitous.

And Peet's is not the oldest coffee house in Berkeley. Cafe Mediteranian on Telegraph Avenue is older and since it had a hip beatnik clientel in the 1950s and/or early 60s I assume that means esspresso. And Cafe Trieste in North Beach San Francisco--an Italian section of town, pre-dates that.

I still find that Peet's french roasts are stomach clenchingly oily.

Some of this is the knowledge I've picked up by living here on and off for 35 years.

Some is from this website:
http://www.peets.com/who_we_are/history_vine.asp

interesting. there's peets here, too... someone was telling me that peets was here before Starfucks. this coffee industry gal - which is not to say that she knows definitively - said that peets was well aware that the folks who made starfucks were using the knowhow they'd gained at peet's, and to some extent didn't bother to really 'fight' it. i'm sure though, that there was some sort of understanding so that starfucks didn't kill peet's altogether.

then there's tully's - better coffee than starfucks, another corporate monster, but useful in challenging the starfucks hegemony. still i'd take ladro over those, and any of the one-store shops over ladro, just on principle. uptown makes a damn fine double tall soy mocha with orange peel... but i don't think they are roasters themselves. i should find out who's beans they use. a lot of small shops here will roast vivace or vita if they don't roast their own.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:01 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
GuinivereElise wrote:
for all of that, i have a big soft spot for the trucker coffee at the Cannonball truck stop in cannon falls, MN...
I HAVE THE SAME SOFT SPOT!
Wait - the EXACT SAME soft spot? The cannonball in particular???

Oh, be still my beating heart!
I spent a lot of holidays in CF with my roommate's fabulous family.

the cannonball was a great stopping point between rochester and minneapolis: go pee, get some nasty coffee, some snackies, then off on the road again..

yes, the EXACT same soft spot...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:06 am

the time to go to the CB, though, is in the middle of the night. it's totally different. hoo-freakin-ray.

the funniest bit: it was the day of my rommie's wedding. i had flown 7000 miles for this damn event. in the morning, her hair got done and the veil was nailed in place. she - a hobby farm girl - was still knocking around in shorts and a tank top. with the veil. and the froofy hair. i'm already in heels and some dress, and these folks are arriving from decorah and everywhere else. my roomie is running about the cannonball's filling station/restaurant/the street/the subway shop saying, in the way that she does, 'i'm getting married!!' as if we couldn't tell. how's that for americana?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:10 am

who was your roomie?? do I know her?

Yeah, the veil with shorts, tank top, and shit-kickers is a common sight around june and july in MN. Nuthin' like those midwestern farm girls to do a wedding right.

Did I ever tell you about a wedding I sang at? It was a second wedding for both parties. One of the guests arrived riding a bicycle, wearing a cutoff flannel plaid shirt, and bib overalls. the wedding announcement said "bring no gifts, but please bring a dish to pass" ---pot luck wedding---

they had me sing some ridiculous song by Juice Newton... and had two kegs for after the wedding: one beer, one rootbeer.

It was classy.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:16 am

i dunno, probably you don't know her.

the reception was at the groom's family farm, in a huge shed/barn thing.

we danced in one end of it and some of the locals wandered around the farm machinery as the sun set. y'know, everyone on the lawn on a gorgeous midwestern evening, on the white wooden furniture and under the gazebos or whatever the fuck they had. i recall grass staining the tux of the bride's brother, the object of my eternal crush that elaborated at some point here.... we were all layin' on the grass, playing with the kids. (what did you sick fucks think i meant??) and, of course, i got a ride home in the big red diesel truck.

my parents' honeymoon: wisconsin dells.

you know how it is - all stars and a gentle breeze and all that shit.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:31 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
interesting. there's peets here, too... someone was telling me that peets was here before Starfucks. this coffee industry gal - which is not to say that she knows definitively - said that peets was well aware that the folks who made starfucks were using the knowhow they'd gained at peet's, and to some extent didn't bother to really 'fight' it. i'm sure though, that there was some sort of understanding so that starfucks didn't kill peet's altogether.

then there's tully's - better coffee than starfucks, another corporate monster, but useful in challenging the starfucks hegemony. still i'd take ladro over those, and any of the one-store shops over ladro, just on principle. uptown makes a damn fine double tall soy mocha with orange peel... but i don't think they are roasters themselves. i should find out who's beans they use. a lot of small shops here will roast vivace or vita if they don't roast their own.

I checked the website and you're right--they exist in Seattle. I remember in late 80s early 90s they were barely out of Berkeley/Oakland and into the penniunsula--but I don't know when they got to Seattle. Could have been before that. Seems most of the SEattle shops are inside a supermarket called "Larry's" which just makes me giggle.

Don't know if SB was ever a real threat to Peet's given the difference in the quality--and the higher price round here seems to be SB. Who still have trouble getting into Berkeley/Oakland neighborhoods. They are only in Rockridge, for instance in the Shopping Centra, not the actual nieghborhood. Of course, who knows what that kind of corporate money can do in the long term.

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:41 am

Dang, I just found out that one of my collegues who used to work for BLM has a coffee mug for the San Diego/San Juacinto Mts. She worked on the EIS. Does that mean that there are BLM staffers with coffee mugs for the Black Rock Desert, High Rock Canyon, Emmigrant Trails National Conservation Area? And how do I get hold of one?

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:42 am

Rian Jackson wrote:
BlueBirdPoof wrote:
Rian Jackson wrote: Hey, anyone wanna join my religion??
Well, can I get a full discription of benefits and duties?

no.

So it's another pig in a poke. Well, I wasn't born into it so I'm not easily fooled. I'll remain a cryptofishist.

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:47 am

[giggles shuffles into the bar wrapped in many quilts, finds her cozy booth in the corner, and rests her head on the table]

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:48 am

How ya feeling giggle?

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:51 am

look at my throat.....ahhhhh.....have you ever seen anything that nasty in your life? I feel invaded.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:56 am

*brings hot toddie to gs*

Here, babe. Just rest, and sip on that.

your body HAS been invaded, honey. But it's fighting. that's why you feel so shitty. but I'm sure you know this. Just try to rest, and let your body fight it for you.

*pulls quilts up around gs and tucks her in*

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 10:58 am

* a note flutters down from above and settles on the bar... note reads:

Hello my friends!
just want to let you know that i am well...veryveryvery busy with the holidays and such. i miss you and occaisonally hear you in my head - y'all are so freakin' witty! in my head, anyway...

i hope y'all are well and happy - OH! i forgot i left some echinacea tincture on the low shelf behind the bar, and some emergen-C in the drawer under the mirror.

thanks for keeping The Bar warm... there should be a new supplies delivery soon!

smooches and topless hugs to all!!!
((((((((((OO)))))))))))

gone but not forgotten,
~tish *

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:00 am

thanks love. [sips hot toddy] I htink I'm going to lie down now.....[stretches out in oversized booth and pulls the covers over her head]

BlueBirdPoof · Post by **BlueBirdPoof** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:13 am

tisha2 wrote: there should be a new supplies delivery soon!

I hope it doesn't include any of those funny tasting japanese crackers.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:15 am

*calling to the sky*

WE MISS YOU TISH!!!

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:39 am

Pixie, getcher ass in here and have a drink!