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Blue Christmas...

Post by Last Real Burner » Wed Dec 17, 2003 9:54 am

As we all know, the Holidays are known to have the highest suicide rate of the year. I just want you to know that we are your nuclear family, and in that regard, we care about you and we need you in our life and you are a major part of what we are. We have inherited you and all of your problems and situations, good and bad, so take heart and know that you can all ways count on us to be there for you. If for any reason, and I mean any reason at all, you start to feel angry, sad, blue, in over your head, lonely, or just need a friendly shoulder to cry on, or ear to bend, please, please, please, talk to us, let us help. Sucide is not the answer. We are here for you 7 days a week, 24 hours a day. If you find yourself in this prediciment, always remember one thing, no matter how bleak or bad things may it may seem at the time, if you sleep on it, rest assured you will be able to face or solve the problem or situation the next day, with a clear head, a softened heart and rested mind. I am confident that in your infinite wisdom, and understanding, you will come up with a positive solution that will be a benefit to all involved. So if ever that stupid little "suicide" thought ever crosses your mind, let that tiny little voice of your inner child remind you, "I can't commit suicide, I have friends, and family that need me, and love me and expect "me" to be there for them."

Know that we love you, and need you.


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Post by Chai Guy » Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:30 pm

Thanks LRB, your kind and thoughtful words are much appreciated. On that note, I have been there myself in that exact situation. I've never really admitted that to anyone before, but I am now, just because it might help someone else to know that. If anyone needs to talk about this privately, feel free to PM me anytime. Please follow LRB's advice and reach out to someone, friend, family member, counselor, even me.

Here are some links of numbers that may help you.

http://www.spanusa.org/phnumb.html
http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.suicide.html
http://www.mentalhealth.org/suicideprev ... efault.asp

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Post by TwizzlerNinja » Wed Dec 17, 2003 1:43 pm

Thank you for posting this. Too many times "holiday depression" is glossed over because this is supposed to be "the happiest time of year". If you are in a situation where you are overwhelmed, I agree with LRB and Chai. Reach out to someone, even me. There is always help to be had. You just have to ask for it.
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"Principles of Support"

Post by BlueBirdPoof » Wed Dec 17, 2003 4:53 pm

Many years ago, I was sent a list by a one local chapter of one of the big national advocacy groups on how to be a good support of the ill person during the holidays. It just about made me cry because I saw just how I wanted to be treated and how many times I hadn't gotten it. This is not that list, alas. I can't find it now.

(From the National Alliance of Mentally Ill website http://beta.nami.org/ )

1.We will see the individual first, not the illness.
2.We recognize mental illnesses are brain disorders, that may have environmental triggers.
3.We aim for better coping skills.
4.We find strength in sharing experiences.
5.We reject stigma in ourselves and others.
6.We won't judge anyone's pain as less than our own.
7.We forgive ourselves and reject guilt.
8.We embrace humor as healthy.
9.We accept that we cannot resolve all problems.
10.We expect a better future in a realistic way.
11.We will never give up hope!

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Post by SHARPER » Thu Dec 18, 2003 3:42 pm

In 1997 my world fell apart and for the next 5 years I was gone. Here physically but gone. One day I decided that it would be nice to be able to go to sleep and stay asleep until the pain went away. I wasn't even thinking in terms of suicide - just being able to go to sleep so I did not have to deal with the pain for awhile. There is a period of about 48 hours of which I have no recollection whatsoever, but someone was watching out for me and I came back to planet earth. No, everything was not instantly all better, but it did get better over time. The thing to remember is that there are people who love you and your "going away" would hurt them terribly!!!!! Suicide is really pretty selfish so don't go there! Come here to me or anyone of the others here who are willing to listen and understand that life can be hard. love is here just waiting to be found. Support is here just waiting for you to ask for it.
For this season - wherever you may be in your life - blessed be.
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Some concrete things to do RIGHT NOW that will help

Post by aforceforgood » Thu Dec 18, 2003 6:01 pm

Here's a good idea- pause before posting and call those people who might need to hear from you about now.

We'll wait.

Ok, don't you feel better now?

Some people, like me are prone to depression. I've found that St. John's Wort has alleviated that to the point where I don't need to take it anymore now that I've habituated myself to look at the positive or the opportunity in any situation. Some people are highly allergic, so crack open a pill and take a little (like 10 grains of dust, I'm talkin a MINISCULE amount) at first if you've never tried it to see if you have a reaction.

There's also a lot of chatter going on in your brain that can either reinforce you or tear you down, depending on how you think. I'm going to repeat a phrase here that may seem like self-help pablum to some, but it's better to have it pinging around in your head like a catchy tune you can't shake, than negative self-talk that reinforces and deepens depression.

A champion is someone who gets up even when they can't.

Thinking that phrase helps to transform your view that you're barely surviving to a heroic effort to break free of whatever may be chaining you down.

Other things that will help lift depression- help someone else. Go for a walk. Or exercise inside your house if it's too cold. Sunlight helps. Depressed people tend to spend a lot of time sleeping because they're hiding from the world, and turn themselves into shut-ins. So just get yourself outside for a while. It'll help. Don't be afraid to call someone and tell them how you're feeling- I know I'd be flattered if someone felt I was worthy of them telling me this most personal of things.

Here's a link to a free program that flashes subliminal messages OF YOUR CHOOSING on your computer screen. It's really cool, you can type in your own messages and decide how long they stay on the screen, even to the point where the messages are visible. You can even use it to remind yourself of things if you want. It can also be used for wieght loss, quitting smoking, reminding yourself to go have a life off the computer, etc.

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Post by unjonharley » Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:00 pm

We just lost mom #2in Sept. I'm staying real close to my yougest(33). One of his brothers is sticking with him too. I keep telling then I get to go first. That going to be a long wait for em.
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Post by BlueBirdPoof » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:56 am

bump

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Post by Mister Jellyfish Mister » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:05 pm

My friend Steve once said to me "If it is ever deemed that I committed suicide, hire a detective. I'm just too happy".
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Post by nipples » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:42 pm

i am supicious
asking me to stay
knowing that we go


postpone funeral
i will ask it here aloud
promise of no death

love & shit & stuff,

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Post by PurpleKoosh » Thu Dec 16, 2004 8:58 pm

Thanks for bumping this, birdie. And thanks to everyone who has posted something here, hoping it will help.

It does.
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Post by Solouni » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:42 pm

No really, I would rather die...

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Post by Sensei » Fri Dec 17, 2004 1:06 am

No you wouldn't.

Hugs and kisses to everyone who reads this. If'n you can make it in '05, I'll back it up in person.

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Post by Rabbi Dali Rick » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:54 am

Yes we still love you and would like you to know that our feelings for you transend the bounds of this world and know that we need you....

you're bestest pal,
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Post by gigglesnort » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:12 am

I'm having a blue christmas! But I've had worse. And besides, blue is my favorite color! So anyway, I empathize.

Why I don't drink sprite, or, My Longest Night~

The warm and golden light was speaking in a very wordless way, but I understood that it meant it wasn't time to sleep.

So I lifted my very heavy head and let it drag the rest of my baggage over to the phone, an eternity away. From a distance I heard my voice saying strange things into hte mouthpiece, and I knew I was asking for my mother, but it came out all wrong. It was sufficient communication; help came fast.

Under flourescent light, strangers gave me healing potions. The first brought all the insides out. The next, thick black charcoal mixed with sprite, sopped up hte leftovers. I had to drink til it was all gone.

They never did let me sleep, until the breaking of dawn.

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Post by unjonharley » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:45 am

no blue Chirstmas here. i have gifted two rooms unto a frends home. it takes me a long time to do any work.(have to rest a lot) so i started the foundation last month. the whole naberhood jumped in to help. it is complete. frind and three huge cats are happy.
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Post by gigglesnort » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:48 am

That makes me happy!

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Post by regynalonglank » Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:01 pm

you know, sometimes it can be as simple as getting enough sleep, or eating well. when i don't take care of my body i get depressed. getting outdoors is the best for me...running around, riding my bike. just sitting in the sun. if there is something in particular that is bothering me, but it is not something i can change or move away from, sometimes i'll write about it and then burn the paper...it makes me feel better about things somehow.

love you guys! happy holly daze and a merry merry new year.

and don't worry if things aren't perfect. who cares what anyone thinks. just keep being you. all you have to do is show up and try your hardest. telling the truth helps, especially to yourself.

suicide - a permanent solution to a temporary problem. don't go there...come here and bitch about it to us instead! we're just crazy enough to give a shit :)
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Post by gigglesnort » Fri Dec 17, 2004 3:43 pm

A great cure for the blues, I've discovered, is flaking out completely on your stupid boring job. Although I don't really recommend it, as it has the potential to cause lots of stress upon impact if done wo hte proper safety precautions, the momentary free-falling sensation is quite lovely.

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Post by PurpleKoosh » Fri Dec 17, 2004 4:06 pm

gigglesnort wrote:A great cure for the blues, I've discovered, is flaking out completely on your stupid boring job. Although I don't really recommend it, as it has the potential to cause lots of stress upon impact if done wo hte proper safety precautions, the momentary free-falling sensation is quite lovely.
In the last few months before the layoff that we all knew was coming finally happened, I told my manager one morning that I was "calling in apathetic." ;-) A couple of weeks before this, I had called in, and she said "Well, let me just transfer you to the 'I hate this place' line...." (Policy was mgmt had to xfer your call to the scheduling mgr's voicemail to log the absence.)
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Post by phoenix13 » Fri Dec 17, 2004 7:58 pm

I've had a pretty blue year (with the exception of meeting some truly wonderful people at Burning Man).

I know that sesonal depression happens... I've been trying to keep my head up, but sometimes it's too hard. I need to keep reminding myself that things can never be worse, that they can always get better... It just seems too hard at this time of year with having to togetherness shoved down my throat. It's a little hard when you find yourself seperated from the people that you want to be closer to.
And in time we will all burn and become a new.

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Post by cowboyangel » Fri Dec 17, 2004 8:53 pm

we love you Phoenix13!!
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Post by Bob » Fri Dec 17, 2004 10:29 pm

It was Christmas Eve babe
In the drunk tank
An old man said to me, won't see another one
And then he sang a song
The Rare Old Mountain Dew
I turned my face away
And dreamed about you

Got on a lucky one
Came in eighteen to one
I've got a feeling
This year's for me and you
So happy Christmas
I love you baby
I can see a better time
When all our dreams come true

They've got cars big as bars
They've got rivers of gold
But the wind goes right through you
It's no place for the old
When you first took my hand
On a cold Christmas Eve
You promised me
Broadway was waiting for me

You were handsome
You were pretty
Queen of New York City
When the band finished playing
They howled out for more
Sinatra was swinging,
All the drunks they were singing
We kissed on a corner
Then danced through the night

The boys of the NYPD choir
Were singing "Galway Bay"
And the bells were ringing out
For Christmas day

You're a bum
You're a punk
You're an old slut on junk
Lying there almost dead on a drip in that bed
You scumbag, you maggot
You cheap lousy faggot
Happy Christmas your arse
I pray God it's our last

I could have been someone
Well so could anyone
You took my dreams from me
When I first found you
I kept them with me babe
I put them with my own
Can't make it all alone
I've built my dreams around you

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Post by phoenix13 » Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:43 pm

cowboyangel wrote:we love you Phoenix13!!
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!! :D
And in time we will all burn and become a new.

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Post by geekster » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:05 am

I suppose it is a blue Christmas for me too. I wonder if this will be the last one with my kids where all of us are a family. All this obigatory gift giving and forced interaction with family. Not because anyone wants to, but because it expected. I think Christmas should be on a Tuesday. Not any particular Tuesday, just some Tuesday and everyone gets to pick their own Tuesday and I can walk up to someone I really love or may not even know and give them a gift and say "Happy Tuesday". At least it would be more real. At least for me.

Guess maybe I will just get socks and give them to the homeless this year. Not cheap socks either but nice warm ones.

My best present will be seeing the smile on my kids faces. I have no expectations for anything myself. I just want to cherish the noise ... possibly for one last time. I hope not.

Maybe I will pick Tuesday at Burning Man to be "my" Tuesday but maybe not. If I give someone something, they might feel obligated to give something in return and I don't want obligatory gifts. Maybe I will just pick one in June.

Hey, anyone know where a guy can find a toy goat? My daughter put it on her list for Santa. Where the hell did she get the idea of a toy goat? I have never seen such a thing or know where to find one.
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Post by samtzu » Sat Dec 18, 2004 1:23 am

Don't let it chew you up, guys...

My first Christmas without my family (after the divorce) devistated me. It took my insides, spread them on the crappy dining room table I had at the time, and just said, "This is your life, you piece of shit". Some things have changed since then, but one thing has held true: I am still the same person (more or less) and I AM NOT A PIECE OF SHIT!! (rumors to the contrairy not withstanding). My family still loves me, and I am a wonderful human being. I believe (though I haven't tested it) that I could be living in a cardboard box on the street and still be a wonderful human being.

If it is all our perspective, what we see of life, then we are the guardians of that perspective, and, especially during the holiday season (yeah, I almost offed myself in '95) we need to take special care of that perspective. Pay attention!!! Goddammit!!!! You are valuable!!!

I hereby declare that anyone who gets too fucking blue this Christmas will get, not only a personal visit from me, but a personal fucking ass whipping from me! You are loved by all of us, even if we appear to be ignoring your posts. We love each other, we uphold each other, we affirm each other...

Be as blue as you want, but if I catch anyone despairing, I'm coming after them... with both barrells, filled with Love!

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Post by gigglesnort » Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:53 am

I get low this year, for my own self-centered reasons for sure, but also for knowing there are so many more sad stories than just mine.

Thinking of my ex husband's pitiful state makes me so sad I don't even acknowledge it to myself most of the time. But on christmas this year, there he will sit alone in hte crack hotel, his bottle of medication on the bedstand beside him, longing for his children, longing for normalcy, not knowing how to get what he wants, this eating him up inside, his crazy mother dead a year now, his cold billionaire father might call to tell him merry christmas son (but certainly not I'm sorry I was never there for you, sorry I sent you to weird ritzy mess w your head rehab school on hte far side of hte continent for YEARS when you got caught smoking pot at the ivy league bording school in seventh grade, sheesh), not a chance of a kind word from his ice queen sister or her family, who have completely cut him off.

And what the hell can I do for him? I have no idea.

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Post by Mister Jellyfish Mister » Sat Dec 18, 2004 7:48 am

You guys, I don't know where to begin. My blue pitty pot just does not stack up. I like your socks idea, Geekster.

Phoenix 13- I know what you mean. Everybody sitting around speaking sugar hiccups to eachother. One thing I would like to do is whisper to the inlaw I know the least: "Have you got a good coat here? Can we take a short walk right now?" Bust out of the ring of forced nicety and just get to know that one person a little better this year. No agenda. Just being open and brave instead of enduring the mob pleasantries another moment.

Gigglesnort: I've been freefalling at work a bit too, at least compared to my expectations of myself. I'm self employed so it's not without a good dose of guilt. One thing I've enjoyed lately is bringing my lunch in the tech room and seeing if I can help a newbie figure something out. -Feels good.

I confess that I let my wife do most of the Christmas shopping. She loves it and I'll only do it if it's available online. Still, I told her I'd take care of a few extras so I'll go into the -gulp- mall or somewhere.

Then and now, I want to re-awaken that playa direct friendliness in me. That honest smile that says, I'm not just walking by you, I'm really here with you right now and it's a gas!

To all of you, my friends, take me with you this holiday. Smile and know that you have a jellyfish in your pocket who agrees that this is all whack and we'll push through together. Together, we are ready for life to present itself in a way we did not expect.

Yours sincerely.

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Post by Donita » Sat Dec 18, 2004 10:11 am

My recipe for a stressfree holiday: I choose not to participate in all the hubbub this year. Wow. It's working.

I confess, however, I always watch "It's Christmas, Charlie Brown" and "Rudolph" for a quick christmas fix. :)

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Post by geekster » Sat Dec 18, 2004 11:14 am

When I was single I wouldnt have a Christmas tree. I would get a smallish pine branch and hang it on the wall and put a couple of balls and tinsel on it. I called it my "Christmas stick". I would send cards to everyone to let them know they were in my thoughts and maybe a couple of gifts for any little ones in my extended family.

Christmas was maybe more in a spirit that suited me better in those days. It was relatively stress-free. It was partying and eating and being with friends. I worked at a place that ran 24x7x365 so I would sometimes work a shift on Christmas eve or Christmas day to let someone that had kids at home be with their family. I miss that life sometimes.
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