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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Token » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:31 pm

Yep, solar winds strip the Martian atmosphere.

Btw, the Martian atmosphere would be considered a Medium Vacuum on the surface of Earth.

A medium vacuum would be typical for charging an AC system, making CRTs and tubes etc.

Maybe Musk can build a giant super-conducting ring between mars and the sun and run lots of current through it via solar sails or some such to shield mars and allow terraforming.

And huge mirrors over the poles to melt the dry ice, yeah, that too.

Doable, insanely expensive and not very practical.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Avacadi » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:41 pm

You're all right. Im wrong.
everythings a simulation. Or so Elon thinks.
Which is quite an interesting theory.

Who the fuck actually knows.
Who cares?

I'd just like to get to where I'm going in less than 30 minutes to be quite honest.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:25 am

I'm not trying to pick on Elon Musk, but after reading about that universe-is-a-simulation idea, the whole concept just feels like "not even wrong", navel-gazing-class pseudo-theory. The fact that some bozos even want to spend money to try and "break out" or something really just means they have too much money to waste on useless endeavors.

The idea (I won't even dignify it as a theory) is "not even wrong" because there is nothing that can be proven or disproven about the idea. You can't prove the existence of a simulation from within a simulation, and it has no outside impact on our lives or the world because that would be supernatural. So what is even the point? Imagine the Matrix movie where nobody has any interaction with the outside "real" reality, or any special powers, or anything else supernatural.

Musk's whole "probability" of being in a simulation and not "base reality" is also total nonsense as well. It's all based on an unfounded assertion that the trajectory of computing power supposedly implies that an "advanced species" will create simulated realities and that for some reason they'll put everyone in it and that because the universe has existed for a long time it must have already happened. None of this can even be proven or even reasoned about in terms of probabilities.

"Multiverses" are another type of not-even-wrong nonsense and I can't stand them either. Gee, the possibility of other universes of all different possibilities that can't even interact... So what exactly is the point to anyone in any given universe, assuming the others exist at all, which can't be proven anyway. Even if they exist, we're here and none of these "other universes" have any effect here.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Even if we could terraform Mars into more Earth like conditions (laughable waste of money)...

Long term colonization of Mars will be impeded by a much bigger problem than cannot possibly be solved... Gravity.

Mars has approximately 38% of the surface gravity that Earth has... the affects on how all organisms from Earth react to such low gravitational pull will lead to absurdly complex differences/mutations that will more than likely make it impossible for our species to survive for long, unlikely able to even be able to procreate, a baby born on Mars will have some major deformities if it can live at all...

And even if we did find a way to nurture these species long enough to be able to adapt to life on Mars (which is bonkers levels of scientific capability we're not even remotely close to comprehending) we will undeniably create new Martian species that will eventually no longer resemble Earthlings in much of a way and no longer be able to function on Earth...

If Humans pulled it off... they would become Martians and no longer look like humans or be able to function on Earth.

Humans will never colonize Mars... at least not the ones who don't want to become a different species on another planet... and I doubt such weirdos will ever be able to afford it or have such currently unfathomable scientific capability.

The smart space explorers will be sending robots to planets until we find Goldie Locks.

Humans that live in space for extended periods of time will be in rotating ships that can recreate Earth's gravity.

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I ain't going to live in one of those contraptions...

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:19 pm

Ehhh... I don't think that is really an issue.

There's nothing that says that we need to keep species in their pure Earth-form while on Mars (or anywhere else), or that Mars-born and adapted species require the capability to return and survive on Earth. It's not as if these have been a constraints in similar situations like species introduced to other new habitats.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:28 pm

No, nothing undeniably says we have to care about species we've created and sent to live on a planet which we deem boring, cold and inhospitable... but by objections of morality and compassion, that shit would definitely become an issue... I'll blame it on Trump. :wink:

And bringing species to other parts of Earth that have all evolved for billions of years together throughout the geological evolution of our planet... compared to taking them to another planet... not so similar.

Mars is rust... trips there will be fruitless Tourism.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:57 pm

It doesn't matter if the planets are dissimilar. I don't think any species carry sentimental feelings for, if even the awareness of, the planet or location where his or her predecessor genes came, except maybe Nazis or something. Animals will change and adapt as needed regardless of their introducers' moralizing. It may take many generations, but life adapts.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Perpetual Burn » Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:46 pm

I testify myself that there is at least one member of a species that knowingly carries sentimental feelings and Love, admiration and appreciation of the planet it lives on... and National Socialism sucks. ;)

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by John Done » Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:12 am

Recently Elon Musk defined the main difficulty in Mars colonization - building a base for permanent residence of people. He said it is even more difficult than getting to Mars. But, before this statement, he said that it is impossible to colonize Mars in the nearest future, however, there is already a prototype of the reusable spaceship. Mask also said that colonizing requires a lot of people. When the recruitment is open - please let me know, I wanna be a volunteer.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by John Done » Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:28 am

Some scientists consider that the colonization of other worlds can destroy the Earth and I totally agree with this point of view. Firstly, the creation of humans colonization, even on neighboring planets, will require a huge amount of natural resources. On Earth, the resources are not endless and very quickly depleted. According to the calculations of specialists, in order to create a stable civilization on another planet, earthlings will have to maintain and provide for it for 100-150 years. Secondly, excessive enthusiasm for the search for a new home for humanity will lead to the fact that the problems of the Earth itself may fade into the background, but today it is much more important to solve the problems of the Earth, and not to chase other worlds.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:32 pm

Scientists are not even fooling themselves into colonizing Antarctica.
Face it, it's a huge publicity campaign.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:09 am

Still not sure what kind of resources or anything of value exists on any other planets or moons in the Solar system that would not be cheaper and easier to obtain on Earth. Earth is one of the densest, most mineral-rich planets in this system and even has hydrocarbon resources too.

We really need to just concentrate on keeping this planet habitable and improving the lot of people on it.

Other than just having some place to dump humans to make labor more scarce, it just seems so pointless.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Skuzzy61 » Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:35 pm

Earth will die one day. There is nothing that can stop it. There are many reasons it could happen. One of them will happen. If we want human beings to continue to exist in this universe, we need to spread to other worlds.

Now, if you do not care about that, then so be it. I am okay with the flame being extinguished. I am not going to be here to see it. Then again, that kind of thinking is why most long term solutions to prevent us from killing ourselves will fail anyway.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Sat Nov 28, 2020 8:32 pm

In like what, thousands of times the span of human civilization time or something?

It's going to be a very long time before any place we find or create off Earth is as habitable as even the least habitable places of this planet for a very long time. Short of some major disaster, which would probably be too swift to mount any kind of rescue or defense, there just won't be time or investment for such a thing.

Best to first shore up the home we live upon before looking to the cold, radiated, and barren planets and stars we can barely reach within our own solar system.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Ugly Dougly » Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:40 am

May I push my eyeglasses up on my nose, so to speak?
When astronauts from the ISS land back on Mother Earth after many months on orbit, they're always as weak as babies, if not suffering from long-term health damage. Now suppose that instead of landing on friendly Earth, they were on hostile Mars. The long months in zero-G would kick their asses.
The whole thing is badly conceived. This is not a trip to the Moon, boys and girls.
In order to become a space-based species, we have got to master artificial gravity.
https://youtu.be/im-JM0f_J7s
We have got to master growing all our food in space. A few lettuce plants on the ISS is merely demonstration project.
And we've got to master a better way of launching materiel into space less expensively.
What do you think?

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by burner von braun » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:07 am

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by ygmir » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:42 am

Ugly Dougly wrote:
Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:40 am
May I push my eyeglasses up on my nose, so to speak?
When astronauts from the ISS land back on Mother Earth after many months on orbit, they're always as weak as babies, if not suffering from long-term health damage. Now suppose that instead of landing on friendly Earth, they were on hostile Mars. The long months in zero-G would kick their asses.
The whole thing is badly conceived. This is not a trip to the Moon, boys and girls.
In order to become a space-based species, we have got to master artificial gravity.
https://youtu.be/im-JM0f_J7s
We have got to master growing all our food in space. A few lettuce plants on the ISS is merely demonstration project.
And we've got to master a better way of launching materiel into space less expensively.
What do you think?
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by The Rod » Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:26 am

I think if this Musk character was really such a genius and visionary he could use his great ideas and technology to transform Earths increasingly uninhabitable atmosphere into something a little more copacetic towards human life..

Nope. No way. Not a chance. Instead him and his billionaire friends can fly away to New Earth® where things like HUMAN SLAVERY and god knows what else will be legal! Not to mention there isn't a single pesky Latin American sovereign government to get in the way of mining his precious lithium.

It's either a marketing ploy or our darling techiest-of-all-the-tech-bros tech bro really is not as smart as his PR people make him out to be, as a few of our ordinary everyday burner folks have pointed out several glaring scientific and technological oversights in his "plans"...

I mean, have ya'll seen his fucking "pick-up truck" for chrissakes?! He doesn't even know what a goddamn truck is supposed to do. :roll:

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by lucky420 » Mon Nov 30, 2020 4:53 am

A-RockLeFrench wrote:
Mon Nov 30, 2020 12:26 am
I think if this Musk character was really such a genius and visionary he could use his great ideas and technology to transform Earths increasingly uninhabitable atmosphere into something a little more copacetic towards human life..

Nope. No way. Not a chance. Instead him and his billionaire friends can fly away to New Earth® where things like HUMAN SLAVERY and god knows what else will be legal! Not to mention there isn't a single pesky Latin American sovereign government to get in the way of mining his precious lithium.

It's either a marketing ploy or our darling techiest-of-all-the-tech-bros tech bro really is not as smart as his PR people make him out to be, as a few of our ordinary everyday burner folks have pointed out several glaring scientific and technological oversights in his "plans"...

I mean, have ya'll seen his fucking "pick-up truck" for chrissakes?! He doesn't even know what a goddamn truck is supposed to do. :roll:
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by BBadger » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:03 pm

A-RockLeFrench wrote:
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^-- Exactly this.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by The Rod » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:24 pm

Musk recently tweeted that he’d give $100 million to whoever invents the best carbon capture tech.

I dunno maybe he could just invest his “extra” 100 million dollars in the existing best carbon capture technology on the planet and plant some motherfucking trees.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Canoe » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:22 pm

The Rod wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:24 pm
... the existing best carbon capture technology on the planet and plant some motherfucking trees.
Did I hear "planting trees"?
Scientists have proposed 10 golden rules for tree-planting, which they say must be a top priority for all nations this decade.

Tree planting is a brilliant solution to tackle climate change and protect biodiversity, but the wrong tree in the wrong place can do more harm than good, say experts at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew.

The 10 golden rules are:
  • Protect existing forests first
    ... undamaged old forests soak up carbon better and are more resilient to fire, storm and droughts. "Whenever there's a choice, we stress that halting deforestation and protecting remaining forests must be a priority,"
  • Put local people at the heart of tree-planting projects
    Studies show that getting local communities on board is key to the success of tree-planting projects.
  • Maximise biodiversity recovery to meet multiple goals
    Reforestation -> guarding against climate change, improving conservation and providing economic and cultural benefits.
  • Select the right area for reforestation
    Plant trees in areas that were historically forested but have become degraded, rather than using other natural habitats such as grasslands or wetlands.
  • Use natural forest regrowth wherever possible
    Letting trees grow back naturally can be cheaper and more efficient than planting trees.
  • Select the right tree species that can maximise biodiversity
    ... picking the right trees is crucial. Scientists advise a mixture of tree species naturally found in the local area, including some rare species and trees of economic importance, but avoiding trees that might become invasive.
  • Make sure the trees are resilient to adapt to a changing climate
    Use tree seeds that are suitable for the local climate and how that might change in the future.
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by MarkSabier14 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:53 am

Elon just might be the greatest man in all of human history.
Other men build fortunes to use it to have mansions full of "bunnies", or to party or buy cars or whatever other selfish endeavors they can come up with. This man built a fortune as a stepping stone on the way to pushing all of humanity forwards.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by The Rod » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:22 pm

Said it once and I'l say it again: SLAVES

I mean, are we surprised that the guy who's family fortunes were built on the backs of slavery would be openly advocating for its return in the form of indentured servitude in a colony on a planet un-bound by the laws of Earth?
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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Token » Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:39 pm

MarkSabier14 wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:53 am
Elon just might be the greatest man in all of human history.
Other men build fortunes to use it to have mansions full of "bunnies", or to party or buy cars or whatever other selfish endeavors they can come up with. This man built a fortune as a stepping stone on the way to pushing all of humanity forwards.
You clearly didn’t hang with Elon on his luxurious yacht on the Playa ...

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by Ugly Dougly » Thu Jan 28, 2021 5:22 pm

Waiting for another "Starship" explosion.
He could accept his fate and design art installations for Burning Man.

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Re: Elon Musk & the Mission to Mars

Post by lucky420 » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:16 am

The Rod wrote:
Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:22 pm
Said it once and I'l say it again: SLAVES

I mean, are we surprised that the guy who's family fortunes were built on the backs of slavery would be openly advocating for its return in the form of indentured servitude in a colony on a planet un-bound by the laws of Earth?

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