Which of the 10 principles needs tweeking?

[Sham]

https://burningman.org/culture/philosop ... rinciples/
This should be the ones most shunned, overlooked or ignored. You know---the ones that need some reinforcing!
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The 10 Principles of Burning Man

Burning Man co-founder Larry Harvey wrote the Ten Principles in 2004 as guidelines for the newly-formed Regional Network. They were crafted not as a dictate of how people should be and act, but as a reflection of the community’s ethos and culture as it had organically developed since the event’s inception.

Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

Gifting
Burning Man is devoted to acts of gift giving. The value of a gift is unconditional. Gifting does not contemplate a return or an exchange for something of equal value.

Decommodification
In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships, transactions, or advertising. We stand ready to protect our culture from such exploitation. We resist the substitution of consumption for participatory experience.

Radical Self-reliance
Burning Man encourages the individual to discover, exercise and rely on his or her inner resources.

Radical Self-expression
Radical self-expression arises from the unique gifts of the individual. No one other than the individual or a collaborating group can determine its content. It is offered as a gift to others. In this spirit, the giver should respect the rights and liberties of the recipient.

Communal Effort
Our community values creative cooperation and collaboration. We strive to produce, promote and protect social networks, public spaces, works of art, and methods of communication that support such interaction.

Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws.

Leaving No Trace
Our community respects the environment. We are committed to leaving no physical trace of our activities wherever we gather. We clean up after ourselves and endeavor, whenever possible, to leave such places in a better state than when we found them.

Participation
Our community is committed to a radically participatory ethic. We believe that transformative change, whether in the individual or in society, can occur only through the medium of deeply personal participation. We achieve being through doing. Everyone is invited to work. Everyone is invited to play. We make the world real through actions that open the heart.

Immediacy
Immediate experience is, in many ways, the most important touchstone of value in our culture. We seek to overcome barriers that stand between us and a recognition of our inner selves, the reality of those around us, participation in society, and contact with a natural world exceeding human powers. No idea can substitute for this experience.

[Traveller in Time]

Radical inclusion -- sending camps away for beeing not inline with these rules.

Decommodification -- using support from commercial brands to use the internet . . .

Radical Self-reliance -- with enough rules to prevent obvious dangers . . .

Leaving No Trace -- Carbon dioxide, some bicycles, tents fridges and couches Terabytes online

Immediacy -- Even years after the event stories, images, books and movies show up.

Sorry, should build instead of break down :/

[Token]

No tweeks needed.

Someone in charge just needs to give a fuck.

I think we reached the step after denial so maybe MM will figure it out.

She took a swing and it’s a strike.

[Sham]

The Immediacy Principle seems to be the one that most bugs me.

Since most everyone feels the need to carry a cell phone---even though they don't work 98% of the time during the week, but they can be used as a camera. This helps explain why there are thousands of them lost during the week and desperate people spend a disproportionate amount of time looking for them at the Lost and Found.

I digress. Each year I bring around 400 beautiful, laser cut medallions with the Burning Man symbol, put on lanyards as necklaces. Any type of interaction I have with people will usually get them on of these cool pieces of jewelry. So many people over the last few years seem to be bustling to go someplace and won't even attempt to make eye contact. No matter how hard I tried, I was only able to pass out around 125 of these necklaces.

Next, I bring dozens of bike locks for those who forgot to bring them. I stand on a busy corner and try to spot bike without locks. Trying to get the attention of someone without a lock is about the same as a person in a mall trying to stop you to sell you perfume. There is zero acknowledgment. A FREE lock and they can't be bothered to turn their head. (is it wrong to secretly hope they lose their bike?)

The whole understanding of Burning Man is being diluted to the point of turning it into Disney World or a bucket list check off.

This of course is not everyone, but there needs to be some serious education for the first timers coming in. It's ok to interact with someone who's not already on your smartphone. It's ok to stop and watch a performance that you weren't expecting to see. It's ok to hop on an artcar and travel with some new friends and not be exactly sure where you're going to end up.

[Mufasa67]

Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws. ***add*** Any physical contact should always only be initiated after the contactee have given their clear consent regardless of their state of dress or other circumstances.

[some seeing eye]

I would add

11. Consent
Make eye contact. If you are not really really good at reading nonverbal communication, ask. A thoughtful complement and wait for the response are a useful part of the conversation.

12. Anonymity
Anonymity in the outside world is scarce. You can be anonymous at the event by not sending any outgoing social media for the week and immediately pre-. You can send those photos out after the event, on your birthday, new years day, solar holidays, etc. If you have to have bodyguards, make them invisible and teach them how to act burner.

A common introduction to a stranger in the outside world is what do you do for a living? At BM, it's what are your creative projects, what drew you to the event, what are your dreams, what experiences have you had here? It's all about open ended questions, not figuring out one another's social position or wealth. Those are all open-ended questions, ethnographers love that. If it makes sense to keep in contact with them, you can figure out the rest later off playa.

With the principles, there could be corollaries. There probably could be more do & don't discussion, because some people have some strange ideas on interpretation. We need to work hard training up new burners, and shaping behavior on playa and on line.

[DoctorIknow]

There is zero acknowledgment. A FREE lock and they can't be bothered to turn their head. (is it wrong to secretly hope they lose their bike?)

One of the WORST of default world realities that can shade our burn is "No good deed goes unpunished."

I've gifted various really cool things and EXPECT ambivalence, from some but I know, that at some point, a recipient will be thrilled to their core and show it.

There is also the optimistic (I know, LOL) view that those gifted who are totally freaked out by the gift might play it forward some day....

[Captain Goddammit]

The so-called ten principles are fine.
What needs tweaking is people heeding a few of ‘em, mostly radical self reliance.
No commerce needs a little more attention too.

[Luigi]

The principles are fine. What is needed is for the people to read and follow them. Too many clueless peeps!

Radical self reliance! Bring your own water, shade and toilet paper! Set up your own camp! Clean up your mess!

[Toe]

LNT needs more emphasis on CO2 emissions; we can't see the air but we still face consequences for MOOPing it. Pop a couple of solar panels off your house and bring them to the burn. See about the best ways to save gas on your trip and save carbon emissions and $ as a bonus. The playa is swimming in resources in the form of sunlight, dry air, and some wind. All it takes is a smidge of willingness to work with what's there and unplug from our default systems; this is the funnest part of my burn. And what better place to experience a paradigm shift than at Burning Man?!

Deommodification seems to be the root issue around our cultural woes. It's rare to find a place where money is not the principle currency of life. Where else can you hop offline? Where else can you live in not in a marketplace but rather a community? Deommodification is the most luxurious thing I've known because it brings comfort to my mind even when the physical environment is a 'character building experience'.

[Colonel Monk]

The Immediacy Principle seems to be the one that most bugs me.

Since most everyone feels the need to carry a cell phone---even though they don't work 98% of the time during the week, but they can be used as a camera. This helps explain why there are thousands of them lost during the week and desperate people spend a disproportionate amount of time looking for them at the Lost and Found.

I agree Sham, and feel that the need to "brag" on social media has been the event's undoing. Being disconnected from the default world and its people allows us to get out of our heads and really live the dream for a week. Why do people want to ruin it by dragging themselves out of the zone and back into defaultia?

While it is nice to be able to check in from the event if you have a pending family emergency or something, I think that keeping in touch otherwise takes you out of the moment. "You're doing it wrong!"

In the earlier days, there were videos of kickass happenings from Bman on youtoobe, but they were just there.... They were some videos of happenings like the burn or some dangerous fire art..... Those purposely witty videos that somebody decided to do knowing it would go viral, I think was the first coffin nail to our fragile ecosystem of synergy.

Facebook, Media, Twitter, Instagram - everybody knows about Fight Club and they all want in. (I know, it was better last year and there's people here with other perspectives that the decline began much much sooner....)

The "bucket list" mentality ensures that the proof of our collective whiskey will continue to be diluted - and it only took a few years for this to have a major effect on the vibe.

We used to have to tag cameras so that folks new the rules of engagement before they could get the tag and request permission to photograph. Now pictures are taken without permission and shared TO THE WORLD with no thought what that exposure could be doing to every one else's Burn. And who cares, right? So long as I get my picture and witty quip on instagram.

Is it possible to somehow secretly "jam" the airwaves to make it more difficult to connect to defaultia?

Kind of water over the dam at this point, levee fully broken..... I think when the principles were written they did a fairly good job of capturing the ideas, but it's clear that most people don't want to have to work that hard and show any kind of restraint/patience to wait for the magic to happen.... they want their magic and when do they want it? Right Fucking Now. But I don't think that is the definition of immediacy.

CM

[mournlight]

The phone is my pet peeve, too. Not that I never take a photograph - I usually get out a camera for about half a day, take some pics, and leave it packed up the rest of the time. But, I am seeing soooo many people who are participating with their camera and not with anyone or anything else. Selfies in front of this and that, "I'm so cool, look at me!" it seems to scream. Meanwhile, the person right beside them is offering something totally engaging and they are so self-absorbed they don't even notice. Additionally, the usage of the phones IS SUPPORTING so much commerce. So much! It's bring revenue to youtube, Instagram, facebook, etc. I wish there was still no signal except for those sneaky spaces that people find out about when they have a true emergency. My dad got his first feedback regarding cancer treatment during last yrs build week, and I admit it was nice to send/receive one text to hear that it was okay so it wasn't on my mind the rest of the burn. But it has become unreasonable, in my opinion. And I agree with whoever said people spend too much time looking for lost phones.

[Jackass]

^^ +1000, the last two posts about phones

[Token]

I’ve been 10 years.

I have a half dozen photos I’ve personally taken.

It’s a choice.

Some just can’t help themselves.

[capnjonny]

And I thought I was the only one who thought cell phone use was counter to Burning culture.

Add E bikes to that list. I actually took one (in addition to my regular playa bike ) to the event last year. It was a gift to me from the Bike Exchange where I volunteer that I repaired and I wanted to try it out on playa thinking it would allow me to see more of the city . It turned out to be a hassle to charge , practically impossible to ride at the 5 mph speed limit, and no more useful than my trusty Trek mtn bike. It was sold ( proceeds to the Bike Exchange) .

I also became aware of other e bikers and was conscious of them constantly ignoring the speed limit and their often air of entitlement "Look at my shiny $2000 fat tire E bike and drool , peasants"

There needs to be much more and frequent education regarding littering and waste cleanup. My first burn I took the self reliance mantra completely to heart, removing all paper and plastic disposable packaging from my food and vacuum sealing all trash. I took sponge baths using Home Depot Terry shop towels and a few ounces of water creating only about 2 quarts of grey water in a 5 gal. plastic paint bucket to be taken home and emptied into my garden, and a couple dozen dirty rags that were washed at home and re used.


Doing all that was not hard. It was actually fun. I felt like I was doing it right. Then I went to the porta a potties and saw that someone had thrown their empty beer can into the urinal.

I know that there are some folks that will never "get it". I am also confident that a enhanced Education" program by the Borg that is frequent and forcefull can have a positive effect. I see no reason why there should be trash strewn around the playa or the side of the highway after the event.

[capnjonny]

This will be my forth burn. I guess I am not really a newbie any more but I am definitely not an old hand yet either.

There A few ways I try to adhere to the 10 principles that I think can go a long way to ensuring that this event can continue to exist and get even better.

Please, do everything you can to remove extraneous packaging from your food and gear before coming to the plya. The more moop you leave home the less there is to pick up off the playa.

Remove all disposable packaging from food stuffs and put it in plastic storage bags which take up very little space when empty and can be taken home and re used.

Learn to give yourself a sponge bath. You will stay clean and use very little water in the process. I bring a bag of white Home Depot shop towels , a small basin, and a 5 gallon plastic bucket with lid. Every day , sometimes twice, I take about 1 cup of water and put it in the basin, soak the towel in it, wring it out , and use the towel to wipe the dirt off my body. soak the dirty towel in the water again and wring it out. Set this towel aside. pour dirty water in bucket. Put 1 cup clean water in basin. Get 2nd towel and soak in water and wring it out. Use this towel to wash body second time. soak semi dirty towel in water and wring it out. Pour dirty water in bucket . Hang towels out to dry.

For the next "bath" use the rinse towel for your first wipe down and get out a new clean towel for your rinse.

You will be using one towel and 2 cups of water per "bath" and will stay pretty clean all week.

One final thing I do is to drape the dirty towels I am no longer using over the edge of the bucket with one end in the dirty water. This will wick water up into the towels and dry up a good portion of the dirty water.

At the end of the event , put all the dirty towels into the bucket and put on the lid . When you get home pour out a little bit of Playa on your garden and put the rags in the wash to reuse later.

If you are modest bring an oversized t shirt with you and you can do your ablutions under the shirt.

Volunteer.
sign up to help build an art project. Sign up to work on gate or one of a large number departments within the ORG. Not only will you be a maker instead of a taker but you may find yourself with a Golden Ticket .

Civic responsibility
Try not to stick your finger in the eye of Law Enforcement. We need them to be our friends , or , at least, not our enemy.
Remember, any city of 70,000 people needs rules and regulations in order to function. Ours is no exception. Play safe, Play nice, (the first rule of the playground) and don't shit in your own bed. (if you didn't know, there are quite a few folks that think the playa is a public toilet). If you can't hold your water bring a Pee bottle with you when you head out on the playa. That is what I do.

Leave no trace
Don't bring moop to the playa and you won't have to take it home with you. Take your trash (what little there will be if you follow the suggestions above) ALL the way home. Don't "GIFT" it to someone or some place on the way home. Last year I took less than one grocery bag full of trash and a half full 5 gallon bucket of dirty wash water and rags home after spending 2 weeks on playa. See if you can beat my example.

[wraith]

12. Anonymity
Anonymity in the outside world is scarce. You can be anonymous at the event by not sending any outgoing social media for the week and immediately pre-. You can send those photos out after the event, on your birthday, new years day, solar holidays, etc. If you have to have bodyguards, make them invisible and teach them how to act burner.

Honestly, people need to start being blacklisted for violating the media policy. If you're shooting photos on the playa, you need to be press, otherwise fuck off with the camera and let people have their fun without wondering if they're going to land on /r/festivalsluts or tagged by facebook's facial recognition for their family and coworkers to see.

You want to see that problem solved in a year? Make photo passes mandatory, and throw a few people caught filming without them the fuck out. Not just 'knock it off', but 'pack your shit and split'.

[beheavilymeditated]

Not sure I'm qualified to answer as 2019 was our first Burn. We had an amazing week, but we did see a few small pinholes in the culture.

I may get some push-back from this, but the Participation principle may be difficult as far as being "radically participatory" for those that are more introverted. We are people who have had a lot of life wounds and still carry that baggage, and often a close-group setting is hard for us. We participate to our comfort level, and have almost zero problem in participating and meeting new people, but we also don't necessarily like to join large groups of close-knit people. We are "camp on the outskirts" type of people, and I'm not sure we can change that at this point in our almost-senior lives. I don't think that people with our personality inventory should be penalized for our disorders, is I guess what I'm saying. We can and will participate, but we just may not do it radically. And that doesn't mean we don't have value to offer, we had many very meaningful interactions with strangers this year, we laughed and cried with people we just met. Our comfort level is just in meeting new people often, versus participating with the same group of people each year. I may not be explaining this very well.

[Sham]

Not sure I'm qualified to answer as 2019 was our first Burn. We had an amazing week, but we did see a few small pinholes in the culture.

Hello BHM, as a first time burner, you are VERY qualified to jump in on this.

As the next few weeks pass, your experiences and interactions will rattle around in your head. It's all part of your decompression back into the real world.

Many people find it extremely intimidating to step into a large crowd and mingle among an unknown group. Burning Man is the PERFECT place to crack this fear. There are endless ways to do it, but you just have to be resourceful and clever.

My first year, I was grindingly shy, but I was with a 50 person camp, so I had some family to fall back on. I quickly found my best days were heading off in the morning on my own and making new friends. Your ways of doing this have to do a lot with your own comfort zone, but it's definitely worth stepping out from it.

As an example, I have several BM specific stickers made that are used for decorating drinking cups. Instead of just giving a sticker and moving on, my performance art is to apply the stickers while I talk to people. Hours can be spent chatting with people and finding out their stories.

Simply put, no matter what your are trying to conquer, you can do it if your find the right formula.

[goodleaf]

I’m only a second year but wanted to say I agree with Sham’s post above on immediacy. I think acculturation for newbies is important - it’s ok to not have a plan and to get off your bike!

We should also think about our offerings and their scale in the context of immediacy. Maybe smaller, more intimate events that rely on immediacy and pulling people off the street work better? I know this doesn’t necessarily jive with how camps try to measure and show interactivity for Placement purposes though.

Example:

This year, whenever we were at camp and awake, we ran a small two-person unadvertised day spa. I witnessed so many people fly by on bikes and then screech to a halt and turn around when they heard “have a spa!” - made my heart full. Everyone that stopped did so on a whim - had >300 people stop in Tues through Sunday afternoons. Most folks spent at least half an hour and everyone wanted to chat while they had sheet masks on or got foot massages. Later in the week, we had people who were sent to us by their camp mates (especially those that had worked hard on art or build) for some pampering and we were so tickled by the word of mouth.

Our crowd control was largely accidental - (1) not advertising, (2) being in the middle of G and not on a busy corner and (3) not having an extra person to yell “have a spa” when all our chairs and couches were full. It was great because we spent all the time at camp doing things we loved - talking to people and taking care of them.

I want to be more creative for our offering next year (also bc I’m hopeful everyone will start bringing their own sheet masks out there bc they feel so good!). Maybe we’ll try to do foot massages for the first Sunday night since a lot of people will have just done their build and it’s a good way to connect with neighbors.

[Ungtartog]

Radical Inclusion is being used to excuse capitalistic incursions. Maybe Decommodification needs to be clearer, but if you aren’t heavily involved in building “your” project, and you mostly pay other people to execute “your vision”, I would like to radically exclude you. That is how a parasite behaves. No thanks.

Stop trying to add principles. More rules do not make things better. Even consent is questionable. Should we make a “don’t kill” and “don’t steal” principle too? Isn’t consent just about sexual assault? I’m pretty sure we already have an over arching social agreement that being handsy or taking advantage of others is not cool… does it really need to be re stated? Do you think it matters?

Anything outside of sexual assault, I don’t agree with the consent thing. Some art is transgressive. Someone might insult you through a bull horn or take your picture. Tough shit. Grow a hide.

[Ungtartog]

Not sure I'm qualified to answer as 2019 was our first Burn. We had an amazing week, but we did see a few small pinholes in the culture.

I may get some push-back from this, but the Participation principle may be difficult as far as being "radically participatory" for those that are more introverted. We are people who have had a lot of life wounds and still carry that baggage, and often a close-group setting is hard for us. We participate to our comfort level, and have almost zero problem in participating and meeting new people, but we also don't necessarily like to join large groups of close-knit people. We are "camp on the outskirts" type of people, and I'm not sure we can change that at this point in our almost-senior lives. I don't think that people with our personality inventory should be penalized for our disorders, is I guess what I'm saying. We can and will participate, but we just may not do it radically. And that doesn't mean we don't have value to offer, we had many very meaningful interactions with strangers this year, we laughed and cried with people we just met. Our comfort level is just in meeting new people often, versus participating with the same group of people each year. I may not be explaining this very well.

Make some art, nerd. Then you don’t have to interact with anyone at all if you don’t want to. Use your imagination when figuring out how to participate. But yes, burning man is all of us… if we don’t participate, there is nothing. Put your potato in the soup. Sounds to me like you did participate, and you just judge your level of participation. Radical comes from radix, which means root. It’s not just about high flying sparkly explosions, it is also about that which is the deepest and most internal. Use your imagination.

“Welcome to fight club. If this is your first time… you HAVE to fight!”
-TD

[Ungtartog]

Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws. ***add*** Any physical contact should always only be initiated after the contactee have given their clear consent regardless of their state of dress or other circumstances.

Oh yes! I want modifications to this one as well. I just want the agreement to follow the law to be removed.

Fuck the police!

I don’t need cops and laws to support my community. I’ve never had a beneficial experience with a cop in my LIFE! Fuck’m! “Polite Nuisance” is as “good” as they get. If your idea of civic responsibility is just following the law, good for you… don’t impose it on the rest of us.

[Ungtartog]

12. Anonymity
Anonymity in the outside world is scarce. You can be anonymous at the event by not sending any outgoing social media for the week and immediately pre-. You can send those photos out after the event, on your birthday, new years day, solar holidays, etc. If you have to have bodyguards, make them invisible and teach them how to act burner.

Honestly, people need to start being blacklisted for violating the media policy. If you're shooting photos on the playa, you need to be press, otherwise fuck off with the camera and let people have their fun without wondering if they're going to land on /r/festivalsluts or tagged by facebook's facial recognition for their family and coworkers to see.

You want to see that problem solved in a year? Make photo passes mandatory, and throw a few people caught filming without them the fuck out. Not just 'knock it off', but 'pack your shit and split'.

I disagree. You don’t own the light that bounces off your body. You are in public, anyone is allowed to take your picture. Deal with it. I started going in 98… so yes, I remember the days when photographing was something requiring permission. You are free to wear a mask to protect your anonymity. That’s how I handle it. I have never used my actual identity on any social media platform, ever. This allows me to be wide open with my accounts, because there is nothing in them that makes me vulnerable. If you just want a safe space to be naked without fear of being ogled… there are thousands of nudist camps all across the us. If you have your penis out at Burning Man… someone might take a picture of it. Deal with it.

[Ungtartog]

https://burningman.org/culture/philosop ... rinciples/
This should be the ones most shunned, overlooked or ignored. You know---the ones that need some reinforcing!
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The 10 Principles of Burning Man

Burning Man co-founder Larry Harvey wrote the Ten Principles in 2004 as guidelines for the newly-formed Regional Network. They were crafted not as a dictate of how people should be and act, but as a reflection of the community’s ethos and culture as it had organically developed since the event’s inception.

Radical Inclusion
Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

Gifting
Burning Man is devoted to acts of gift giving. The value of a gift is unconditional. Gifting does not contemplate a return or an exchange for something of equal value.

Decommodification
In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships, transactions, or advertising. We stand ready to protect our culture from such exploitation. We resist the substitution of consumption for participatory experience.

Radical Self-reliance
Burning Man encourages the individual to discover, exercise and rely on his or her inner resources.

Radical Self-expression
Radical self-expression arises from the unique gifts of the individual. No one other than the individual or a collaborating group can determine its content. It is offered as a gift to others. In this spirit, the giver should respect the rights and liberties of the recipient.

Communal Effort
Our community values creative cooperation and collaboration. We strive to produce, promote and protect social networks, public spaces, works of art, and methods of communication that support such interaction.

Civic Responsibility
We value civil society. Community members who organize events should assume responsibility for public welfare and endeavor to communicate civic responsibilities to participants. They must also assume responsibility for conducting events in accordance with local, state and federal laws.

Leaving No Trace
Our community respects the environment. We are committed to leaving no physical trace of our activities wherever we gather. We clean up after ourselves and endeavor, whenever possible, to leave such places in a better state than when we found them.

Participation
Our community is committed to a radically participatory ethic. We believe that transformative change, whether in the individual or in society, can occur only through the medium of deeply personal participation. We achieve being through doing. Everyone is invited to work. Everyone is invited to play. We make the world real through actions that open the heart.

Immediacy
Immediate experience is, in many ways, the most important touchstone of value in our culture. We seek to overcome barriers that stand between us and a recognition of our inner selves, the reality of those around us, participation in society, and contact with a natural world exceeding human powers. No idea can substitute for this experience.

Is there a way to reply to someone without the program pasting the whole body of the message you are replying to as default? Is that in settings somewhere or something?

Bottom line for me is that I want freedom and liberty to be expanded. We are going in the wrong direction for that. Adding rules never expands liberty. Ever.

I’m not interested in safety, convenience and security. If you don’t feel safe at Burning Man… GOOD! You are NOT safe! Keep your damn wits about you, kid!

[Captain Goddammit]

Fuck the police!

I don’t need cops and laws to support my community. I’ve never had a beneficial experience with a cop in my LIFE! Fuck’m! “Polite Nuisance” is as “good” as they get. If your idea of civic responsibility is just following the law, good for you… don’t impose it on the rest of us.

You’ll never get anywhere in life, unless you get your shit in order, at which point you’ll stop having so much trouble with the police.

[Ungtartog]

You know nothing about me, go fuck your self. And fuck the cops. Forever. Asshole.

[Popeye]

You know nothing about me, go fuck your self. And fuck the cops. Forever. Asshole.

Your right, we know nothing about you. Why don't you tell us? Who are you? What do you do IRL? What is your background to be able to jump in here and tell us what to do? An please don't say anything like "I'm a Burner and have an opinions that I can express". That's true but what is your knowledge base and how expert are you?

[Ungtartog]

Who is this “we” you speak for?

No thanks. I don’t owe you anything. Not even my identity. I called someone out for making shitty condescending assumptions. My opinions don’t need qualifications. I’m not attempting to appeal to , nor act as an authority. If you have something intelligent or interesting to say, say it. Ideas don’t need egos behind them if they have any merit.

[gaminwench]

Let's talk consent.
And 'we'.

Most of the 'regulars' on this board know each other in (dusty) meat space. So that is 'we'.

I've been to twenty consecutive burns, several Juplayas, and regionals.
Every single year, at the main event, I've had to deal with men (yes, it is always men) who don't think they need my consent to touch/hug/grab me.
It is a problem, buddy.

I am not a young hottie, either.

You seem very aggressive, by the way.