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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:22 pm

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Sun Dec 05, 2021 12:21 pm
... Another issue starting to appear. With the occurrence of skeptics and antis often running rampant through extended families, there's the increasing reports of Covid running rampant through those families leaving multiple deaths in its wake. This is often enough taking out both mother & father, and sometimes even multiple mother & father pairs through the extended family. ... So who is going to look after all of their children... And it's more common in small towns, were it's hitting multiple families. ... This is possibly becoming a family shortage.
Today I saw a quote, unconfirmed, that Covid-19 has made 1 in every 500 children in the U.S. an orphan.

Some bad news: LongCovid (after Covid-19 resolves, symptoms or medical problems continuing for: 3 months+, 6 months+, or > 12 months) is affecting more and more children. #LongCovidKids

News: Omicron is believed to be more of a throat load than a nasal load.
Good news: While Omicron has a significantly higher upper respirator load, it's believed that asymptomatic Omicron has a shorter tail where it's contagious. Although given the increasing Daily New Cases, I'm not seeing that reflected there.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:29 pm

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Thu Jan 06, 2022 7:10 pm
... Then the latest 24 hours at 751,512 beats that new record. ...
Was adjusted upward to 802,610 Daily New Cases.
Today? 847,393 and counting...

It's like an auction. "Do I hear a million?"
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:04 pm

Canoe wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:29 pm
... 847,393 and counting...
851,109

Today (still counting), global has hit 305,006,234 total cases, 5,500,863 deaths, 258,682,144 recovered.

Globally, lists 14,810,594 new cases in the past seven days, and 9,273,259 in the seven days prior to that.

For the U.S., 4,553,585 new cases in the past seven days, with 2,781,537 in the seven days prior to that. 64 % greater. U.S. deaths were 10,427 in the latest seven days, 8,622 for the seven before that. So it looks like deaths are starting to present relative to the increase in cases.

I've seen a number of reports that Omicron looks like it's less severe, due to the numbers including the people who are adequately vaccinated for whom the bulk contracting Covid-19 will have significantly less severe consequences. But for those who are not vaccinated, Omicron is both more severe and more fatal than Delta, and may be more contagious for those in their 20's, 30's and 40's. This also appears true for children.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:12 pm

Canoe wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:04 pm
... for those who are not vaccinated, Omicron is both more severe and more fatal than Delta, and may be more contagious for those in their 20's, 30's and 40's. This also appears true for children.
To clarify.
  • For those who are not vaccinated, Omicron is both more severe and more fatal than Delta.
    This appears to be true for children too.
  • Omicron is more contagious than Delta.
  • Omicron may be even more contagious for those in their 20's, 30's and 40's, compared to other age groups.
Additionally:
- Prior covid-19 infections from other strains appear to offer no benefit against Omicron infection or consequences.
- I haven't seen anything yet on a prior recovered Omicron infection having any benefit regarding a new Omicron infection.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by lucky420 » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:08 am

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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:41 pm

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I appreciate you Canoe
Thank you :coffee:
Welcome lucky.
And thank you too! Your comment comes at a most welcome time, balancing against what youtube thought of what I've been watching, if I'm any judge of what they recommended for me...
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:48 pm

Daily New Cases, latest two days.
Globally: 2,245,213, then 1,851,894.
U.S.: 468,467, then 308,616.

Not sure how or what the drop indicates. There might be some relation to the weekend. There might be a connection to the start of the Omicron breakout causing more people getting vaccinated or practising better protection measures, with either or both kicking in. Or various shutdown or restrictive measures. Like the spike in vaccinations in jurisdictions like Quebec, Canada, where they announced that admittance to liquor stores and pot stores would be limited to those who were vaccinated...

But a number of reports, a mix of fact and speculation, are that testing has plummeted in a number of jurisdictions, due to:
  • a lack of tests
  • tests reserved for or restricted to those who work in critical, vulnerable or vulnerable-care sectors
  • large parts of a population deciding "why get tested"
    - particularly when they're up against standing in line (hence at increased risk of exposure) for as much as twelve or more hours, with no guarantee that they'll get a test
    - or if they get a test, the results won't be available for the same number of days they'd have to isolate if the test is positive without symptoms, or as positive with symptoms - they figure skip the test (time in line and/or exposure risk) and just do the isolation...
  • authorities decide why bother testing, there's too many results to notify, let alone trace
  • not enough staff who are (depending on which jurisdiction's criteria): well, negative, not-exposed, asymptomatic, or look well enough, to be able to administer the tests
  • the optics of a large number of new cases are scaring the population - lets reduce that by limiting tests
  • the optics of a large number of new cases looks bad - lets reduce that by limiting tests...
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:31 pm

Canoe wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Daily New Cases, latest two days.
Globally: 2,245,213, then 1,851,894.
U.S.: 468,467, then 308,616.
Both days had corrections upwards (and then more corrections upwards while I was writing this post...).

Latest numbers for those days really add up.
Global: Sat. 2,515,993, then Sun. 2,194,869
U.S.: Sat. 615,101, Sun. 522,532 - still meaningfully lower than all time high on Jan 7, 2022 of 872,294
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:37 pm

Canoe wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:31 pm
Canoe wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:48 pm
Daily New Cases, latest two days.
Globally: 2,245,213, then 1,851,894.
U.S.: 468,467, then 308,616.
Both days had corrections upwards (and then more corrections upwards while I was writing this post...).
Latest numbers for those days really add up.
Global: Sat. 2,515,993, then Sun. 2,194,869
U.S.: Sat. 615,101, Sun. 522,532 - still meaningfully lower than all time high on Jan 7, 2022 of 872,294
A lot of late reporting!

Updated again!
Sunday Daily New Cases:
- Global: 2,413,650 (not 1,851,894)
- U.S.: 713,645 (not 308,616)

I wonder how much of the large changes may be due to delaying releasing final numbers so news reports on that day and the next don't appear so bad in the news, vs. processing tests, vs. the system is just so inundated. Most likely processing & inundated, but I find myself so easily considering both intentional and convenient delay.

Even the U.S. all time high for Daily New Cases that occurred back on Jan 7, 2022, has nudged up from its value reported earlier today, to 872,622.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:39 pm

There's also this for children (< 18 years):
CDC wrote: Early Release
Risk for Newly Diagnosed Diabetes >30 Days After SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Persons Aged <18 years — United States, March 1, 2020–June 28, 2021

What is already known about this topic?
SARS-CoV-2 infection is associated with worsening of diabetes symptoms, and persons with diabetes are at increased risk for severe COVID-19. SARS-CoV-2 infection might also induce newly diagnosed diabetes.

What is added by this report?
Persons aged <18 years with COVID-19 were more likely to receive a new diabetes diagnosis >30 days after infection than were those without COVID-19 and those with prepandemic acute respiratory infections. Non–SARS-CoV-2 respiratory infection was not associated with an increased risk for diabetes.

What are the implications for public health practice?
The increased diabetes risk among persons aged <18 years following COVID-19 highlights the importance of COVID-19 prevention strategies in this age group, including vaccination for all eligible persons and chronic disease prevention and treatment.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by The Rod » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:06 pm

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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by burner von braun » Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:47 pm

Yep, same here. Whether it's Burning Man traffic alerts, wildfire updates, or the latest Covid information, Canoe is on top of it. Many thanks!
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:09 pm

Welcome

Covid - not welcome
The World Health Organization has warned that half of Europe will have caught the Omicron Covid variant within the next six to eight weeks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59948920
... the WHO’s Europe director, said the region had recorded more than 7 million new cases in the first week of 2022, double the rate of a fortnight previously, ...
“At this rate, more than 50% of the population in the region will be infected with Omicron in the next six to eight weeks,” he said – a scale of transmission he described as unprecedented.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... l-wave-who
The U.S. from Saturday Jan 8, 2022,
Canoe wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:04 pm
For the U.S., 4,553,585 new cases in the past seven days, with 2,781,537 in the seven days prior to that. 64 % greater.
From today (although today is still counting), the U.S. shows 5,167,723 New Cases in the past seven days, and
3,633,782 in the seven days prior to that, +42% greater.

Globally, 17,711,647 new cases in the past seven days, from 11,382,605 in the prior seven days, up 56%.

Australia
As of November 30, 2020, Australia had 210,239 Total Cases for the whole pandemic.
Then they relaxed their measures, just as Omicron was hitting...
550,092 New Cases in the last seven days, versus 187,947 in the seven days prior to that, up 193%. That's 738,039 (2.8 % of their population) New Cases in the past 14 weeks (with many not counted due to overwhelmed testing, that was showing near a 50 % positive rate in some areas), which is 351 % of their total cases as of Nov 30, 2021. Currently, 669,323 Active Cases, with testing overwhelmed and hospitals clogging up.

Prior to the U.S. currently seeing Daily New Cases above 500,00, back in November 2021, U.S. Daily New Cases ranged from ~65K to ~124K. For some weeks around June 2021, the U.S. was ranging under 10K a day. Then the no-measures rhetoric stepped up. Followed by more rhetoric and Omicron.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:24 pm

Good news - if it's valid...
Article claiming new study, but for their "exclusive" article, they don't provide the link to the study...
(NOTE: From experiments - NOT real world measurements)

Coronavirus loses 90% of its ability to infect us within 20 minutes of becoming airborne – with most of the loss occurring within the first five minutes, the world’s first simulations of how the virus survives in exhaled air suggest.

The findings re-emphasise the importance of short-range Covid transmission, with physical distancing and mask-wearing likely to be the most effective means of preventing infection. Ventilation, though still worthwhile, is likely to have a lesser impact. “People have been focused on poorly ventilated spaces and thinking about airborne transmission over metres or across a room. I’m not saying that doesn’t happen, but I think still the greatest risk of exposure is when you’re close to someone,” said Prof Jonathan Reid, director of the University of Bristol’s Aerosol Research Centre and the study’s lead author.
“When you move further away, not only is the aerosol diluted down, there’s also less infectious virus because the virus has lost infectivity [as a result of time].”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... -air-study
Contrary, from different experiments & methods, from the same article
how long the virus survives in tiny airborne droplets have been based on studies that involved spraying virus into sealed vessels called Goldberg drums, which rotate to keep the droplets airborne. Using this method, US researchers found that infectious virus could still be detected after three hours. Yet such experiments do not accurately replicate what happens when we cough or breathe.
Given the high rate of infections, even where people are trying to keep their distances and are wearing masks, while the results of this new experiment may have some validity, I can't see it being very material to the real world. Except it backs up how easily this disease is transmitted.

Whatever happened to the recommendation to wear two masks, with the inner one being a medical mask?
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:48 pm

Canoe wrote:
Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:29 pm
... It's like an auction. "Do I hear a million?"
Using the U.S. day instead of a UTC/GMT day,
arstechnica wrote:The US reported 1,417,493 new COVID-19 cases Monday, according to data tracking by The New York Times. The daily tally breaks the country's previous record of just over 1 million cases on January 3, and it also sets a new global record.
(U.S. centric numbers & graphs https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html)

cherry picking...
  • ultra-transmissible omicron coronavirus variant
  • over 1.4 million new COVID-19 cases Monday
  • hospitalizations at all-time highs of over 140,000.
  • higher numbers of cases that will hamstring health care systems and other essential services nationwide.
  • "I think that we're talking about a natural disaster," Janet Woodcock, acting commissioner of the Food Drug Administration, said in a Senate Health Committee hearing Tuesday. "I think right now, we need to focus on continuity of operations for hospitals and other essential services as this variant sweeps through the population."
  • It has been less than seven weeks since researchers first reported omicron and just 42 days since it was detected in the US. But the highly mutated variant now accounts for an estimated 98 percent of coronavirus infections
"I think it's hard to process what's actually happening right now, which is [that] most people are gonna get COVID," Woodcock said. "And what we need to do is make sure that the hospitals can still function [and that] transportation [and] other essential services are not disrupted while this happens. I think after that will be a good time to reassess how we're approaching this pandemic."
And it's not just patient load overloading hospitals, but reduced 'beds' due to staff who are out due to Covid.

Every American should read this
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/01 ... get-covid/

> most people are gonna get COVID
If true, you wanna be vaccinated...

This could see the biggest die off of: anti-vaxers, anti-maskers, basically anyone not taking adequate measures.

On health care collapse
The current situation is forcing states and hospitals to declare emergencies, deploy the National Guard, delay or cancel elective procedures, institute crisis standards of care, and allow health providers to stay at work even if they themselves are positive for COVID-19 because there is no one available to take their place.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/01 ... -to-spike/
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Ballpark » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:45 pm

I’m thinking that 2022 event is back on the shelf. With Omicron spreading like wildfire and newly discovered variants showing up, how can the Org keep a clear conscience by going ahead with the event?
It will be interesting to see how they deal with it this year. Tix sales are close at hand. Well, they should be.
How do you screen event goers for a positive test? If a bus load of peeps drive across the country and one had Covid at the gate what do you tell all of them? How do you turn them all away? What if they took the burner bus and one or more were positive. How do you refuse entry at that point? Do you have a point of sale device to give refunds then send them home?
Will ESD become babysitters of the newly discovered positive peeps? Or, will they send them to a “ C” lot to live out their Burn time there?
There’s a lot more to be considered and worked out.

Call me Mr. Negative if you want but these are real scenarios that need to be considered. I know the Org is thinking of them already.

What do you all think?

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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:01 pm

I'm surprised we haven't seen more of the following, be it in taxes where the majority of health care is "publicly funded" (paid by your money through taxes) or in insurance fees or in surcharges or a greater co-pay.

cherry picked
The Canadian province of Quebec will charge a health tax to residents who are not vaccinated against Covid-19.
  • Quebec, which has seen the highest number of Covid-related deaths in Canada, is currently struggling with a surge in cases. Only about 12.8% of Quebec residents are not vaccinated, but they make up nearly half of all hospital cases.
  • Premier Francois Legault said during a news conference that people who have not received their first dose of vaccine will have to pay a "contribution". The fee has not yet been decided, but will be "significant", he said.
  • Hospitals in Montreal, the province's largest city, are nearing 100% capacity and have already started limiting non-Covid related care.
  • While rare, Quebec is not the only region in the world seeking to impose a financial penalty on those unwilling to get jabbed.
    - Starting later this month, Greeks over age 60 are being required to pay a €100 (£85; C$142; $113) fine for each month that they remain unvaccinated.
    - Singapore has required Covid patients to pay for their own medical bills if they are not vaccinated.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59960689
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:30 pm

Ballpark wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:45 pm
I’m thinking that 2022 event is back on the shelf.
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What do you all think?
  • Once planned for and tickets sold, it could see a regular resupply of tickets in the resale market as those with tickets are no longer able to go, be it due to deaths, long covid, resulting disability, and/or related bills for medical care.
    - Perhaps similar to the airline model: you buy a ticket (reservation) but if you don't confirm each month, your ticket reservation is now back in the pool and available to someone else... No physical tickets sent until very close to the event.
  • With a BRC that would be eight months out, the time for planning, permitting, scheduling, etc., monies would be spent and unrecoverable - before the org could know if the event can take place.
  • Even if Covid-19 related numbers and such improved in time to squeeze in all that is required, a new variant can rear its head and suddenly the event is off - all that effort - and $$$ - for naught.
  • I think Covid-19 is currently too dynamic to be able to schedule an event that requires such a long lead time to organize & permit, etc., and for participants to organize for.
  • Once a material percentage of Americans get adequately vaccinated AND are practising preventative measures (vaccines are not a magic shield), and the country's economy & services stabilized following that, then a better assessment of feasibility can take place.
  • BM could too easily go from a 'super event' to a Super Spreading Event.
    - Would there be criminal liability in addition to any civil liability.
    - Would it target the org or participants believed responsible. Wait, this is the U.S.: sue everybody involved...
My best guess is that liability issue alone would kill an event this year.
If not that, then the risk of spending unrecoverable $$$ on something that can so easily be cancelled.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 am

Canoe wrote:
Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:12 pm
  • Omicron may be even more contagious for those in their 20's, 30's and 40's, compared to other age groups.
Came across this data
Ontario Canada Covid-19 New Cases Last 30 Days as of Jan 11, 2022
Ages: 0-4, 2.9 %
Ages: 5-11, 6.1 %
Ages: 12-19, 9.0 %
Ages: 20-39, 38.6 %
Ages: 40-59, 27.7 %
Ages: 60-79, 11.9 %
Ages: 80 and over, 3.7 %
(Ages: 20-59) 66.33 %
2/3 of New Cases were ages 20-59

Interesting, but this data is insufficient to determine if the ages 20-59 are more susceptible to Omicron, or if their protective measures behaviour - or lack thereof - is responsible. But as their ages contain the majority of the work force and the shoppers going to stores, it may simply reflect that they end up with more contacts with other people while the highly contagious Omicron moving through the population. Or that many workers are in an environment where they are too close together for Omicron, or with insufficient ventilation for Omicron. Which comes back around to: if their protective measures behaviour - or lack thereof - is responsible.

They're reopening schools next week...
Before they last closed, more & more schools were being closed due to their case counts.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:26 am

This is not good news.
The vaccine darling for efficacy has pretty much been Pfizer, then boosted Pfizer.
Data shows the vaccine has significantly lower efficacy for Omicron than with Delta.
  • Pfizer
    Delta: ~ 92 % @ two to four weeks, wanes to ~ 61 % @ 25 weeks+
    Omicron: ~ 63 % @ two to four weeks, wanes to under 10 % @ 25 weeks+
  • Pfizer Boosted
    Delta: ~ 94 % @ one week, wanes to ~92 % @ 10 weeks+
    Omicron: ~ 70 % @ one week, wanes to ~ 45 % @ 10 weeks+
But it shows that the booster is a help with Omicron.
Vaccinated: 63 % wanes to ~ 10 %
Boosted: ~70 % wanes to ~ 45 %

Un-vaccinated: 0 %
Canoe wrote:
Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:01 pm
Only about 12.8% of Quebec residents are not vaccinated, but they make up nearly half of all hospital cases.
Note on those un-vaccinated who think they're 'protected' by a prior infection: while there is still a decent antibody count, the effective antibodies that actually rally an immune response wane significantly by three months, and is negligible by six months. This was with variants prior to Omicron. I've not seen anything on that with Omicron. Nor on if an infection of a variant prior to Omicron has any benefit regarding Omicron (nor on a prior Omicron infection for a new Omicron infection).
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:38 am

(We shouldn't need to be discussing this...)

Also unknown: contrary to social media, any efficacy benefit provided by drinking one's own urine, the urine of someone who is infected, from someone who is recovered, from someone who treated themselves with horse-dewormer, or from a horse or cow treated with dewormer.

I don't know who did that, but we ain't gonna date.

And I hope they don't get any ideas from the studies on SARS-Cov-2 RNA, RNA bits, or antibodies detected in fecal matter.
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Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:45 am

And it just keeps on giving...
Los Angeles returning to school
    • According to an update issued by LAUSD, as of 4 p.m. on Monday, 424,230 students and employees have taken a baseline COVID test. Of that group, 65,630 of those tests have come back positive.
    • the positivity rate among students is currently 16.6% and the positivity rate among employees stands at 14.9%.
    • L.A. County now has more than 2 million total cases of COVID since the beginning of the pandemic.
    • COVID-positive patients in county hospitals has topped 3,400, the highest level since Feb. 11, 2021. As of Sunday afternoon, 14% of the COVID-positive hospitalized patients are in the ICU, and 7% are on a ventilator.
      between Dec. 15th and Dec. 28, the ICU admission rate for unvaccinated individuals was 21 times higher than the rate among fully vaccinated individuals.
    https://abc7.com/los-angeles-schools-la ... /11451168/
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:58 pm

    This makes no sense. There are now sufficient N95 masks to meet US demand, we know they protect far better, the people making the decisions are all wearing KN/N95 themselves. (N95 for me but not for thee).

    The @CDCgov seems to now be actively trying to get more people infected?

    https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/stat ... 9822606337
    BROKEN—trust in the @CDCgov @CDCDirector says CDC will not change recommendations to wear higher quality N95/KN95 masks. What an awful day in the pandemic & the earth, americas…I have more choice statements but suffice to say I am angry & disappointed beyond words.
    - Furthermore, @CDCDirector has the stone cold ignorant gall to claim the recent surge in US record hospitalizations is perhaps driven by Delta instead of Omicron. Like— how insane do you have to be to think that?!?
    - I’ve got more receipts of @CDCDirector’s other utter failures during the pandemic in the past year… if you screw up soooo many times in soooo many big ways, then you’ve lots public confidence and resign to should make room for someone else.
    - This statement by @CDCDirector that “there isn’t massive increases in hospitalizations” is a *complete & utter lie*. I know the data. She knows the data. Her @CDCgov knows the data —and all says US exceeded record #COVID19 hospitalization peak!
    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1 ... 9216494594
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:11 pm

    New study: "viral load shedding was much lower (0.68 log) & declined faster in breakthrough infections in vaccinated individuals than for infections in unvaccinated individuals". This is one of the mechanisms that explains lower transmissibility of the virus following vaccination

    https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/ ... 1693093896
    And check out this graph in that thread, hospitalizations: unvaccinated vs. vaccinated
    https://twitter.com/e_considine/status/ ... 2219941889

    On the other side,
    why Omicron is more ominous in the US than other countries because we have much fewer people vaccinated, and [much fewer people] vaccinated with boosters
    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/14 ... 9358226434
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:12 pm

    "I like when scientists lose their patience and become refreshingly honest."
    You stupid idiots. You stand in the way of public health. You peabrains do not understand there is no virtue in Omicron-based immunity and mutagenesis. One mutation from Histidine could spell natural disaster you stupid frauds. You are brainless.
    You idiots are why humanity was doomed at the start of this ordeal. What kind of todestrieb is wishing for more rapid spread of a highly transmissible sars with the power to recombine and the precedent of greater virulence? You are the plague manifest as human.
    https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/sta ... 0023177216
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:25 pm

    January 12, 2022 is over by UTC (old GMT).
    Global Daily New Cases record: 3,201,028 (plus late updates still coming).
    More than doubled.
    Canoe wrote:
    Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:56 pm
    A few jumps...
    Global Daily New Cases: over 1.5 million (1,596,451)
    (The U.S. nearly matched that on Monday...)

    The world has 317,669,595 Total Cases.
    The U.S. - a first world country - has 64,359,409 of those, ~ 20.3 %. Yet the U.S. is only ~ 4.23 % of the world population.

    In the past seven days, the world has had 19,101,749 New Cases. 13,275,733 in the seven days prior to that. In two weeks, 32,377,482 New Cases.

    The U.S. count for those two weeks is 9,661,198. The U.S. - a first world country - is just shy of 30 % (29.8 %) of those global new cases, yet the U.S. is only ~ 4.23 % of the world population. The U.S. is only ~ 68 % vaccinated, and ~ 58 to ~ 62 % fully vaccinated depending on whose data is used.
    If you list all countries and territories by % fully vaccinated, the United States - a first world country - has 61 others with a higher vaccination rate than the U.S..

    And the U.S. cases is already at over 300 % of its last winter's peak. With current hospitalizations climbing rapidly.

    Only NYC and 26 states provide the data, but:
    - For the Average Daily Cases, the number Unvaccinated are 5x that of the Vaccinated. That has been increasing from 3x in mid October 2021.
    - For Average Daily Deaths, the number of Unvaccinated are 13x that of the Vaccinated, with data only available up to the end of October; so Omicron surge pending.
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:00 am

    Intro, then cherry picked...
    The puzzle of America's record Covid hospital rate

    Even as the Omicron variant sweeps around the world, public health officials have noted that, in most cases, the number of Covid patients in hospitals remains significantly lower than during previous pandemic surges. That's not the case in the US, however, where the number of patients with the coronavirus currently in hospital has reached record numbers.
    • "Omicron's surge through South Africa was during their summer, and it's hitting us in winter when we know more people gather indoors and there's more transmission…it's going to be bad."
      ~edit: note that South Africa's "recovery" from their Omicron surge is highly suspect now, due to reporting of "130 % Excess Deaths in the final 4 weeks of 2021 – which translates to >10,000 excess deaths in just 4 weeks."
    • believes the US is suffering from "a perfect storm" of Covid-19,
      - comorbidities,
      - uneven access to healthcare and
      - hostility to vaccines, masks, and other preventative measures.
    • "What the US has started to do is look at the number of new infections and sequences. Omicron is 95% of new infections, but we don't know how much Delta we still have around."
    • believe hospital admissions may peak in February or March. "It still could make for a miserable winter," Dr Gandhi said. "I think that for the next month, life is going to be really hard in schools and hospitals."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59960949
    Also, more criticism of the CDC Director is flying around for the CDCgov guidance for a shortened 5-day isolation not following the science, as Omicron cases have been found to be infectious up to 12 days after positive.
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:33 pm

    Long Covid people are missing naive T cells.

    Immunological dysfunction persists for 8 months following initial mild-to-moderate SARS-CoV-2 infection
    - Patients with LC had highly activated innate immune cells, lacked naive T and B cells
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41590-021-01113-x?s=09
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:23 am

    Canoe wrote:
    Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:38 am
    (We shouldn't need to be discussing this...)
    Also unknown: contrary to social media, any efficacy benefit provided by drinking ... urine ...
    Hard times. Or not.

    Viagra is not currently recommended for COVID-19 treatment
    • “It’s an old idea that’s been around for at least 30 years and despite numerous studies, there has never been a survival benefit demonstrated from using any of these drugs for patients in the hospital with respiratory failure,”
    • “Just because it dilates blood vessels doesn’t mean that it has any antiviral capabilities,” “If somebody is early on in a COVID infection and they don’t have pulmonary hypertension — if you don’t need to treat that specific symptom associated with being severely ill — the Viagra is not going to do anything to your COVID infection,” she added.
    • pilot trial evaluated the use of sildenafil for treating blood flow issues in the lungs of 40 COVID-19 patients who were suffering respiratory complications. The study published Jan. 3 found “no statistically significant differences” in the oxygen status of patients who were given sildenafil and those who weren’t.
    • “it’s quite risky to use the active agent in Viagra, sildenafil, in patients with respiratory failure. It can actually make things worse.”
    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-171860386717
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    Re: Round 3 of Covid vs the timeline (2022 episode)

    Post by Canoe » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:18 am

    Canoe wrote:
    Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:12 pm
    • For those who are not vaccinated, Omicron is both more severe and more fatal than Delta.
    WHO is now saying that Omicron is less severe than Delta.
    Let’s be clear: while Omicron causes less severe #COVID19 disease than Delta, it remains a dangerous virus, particularly for those who are unvaccinated. Almost 50,000 deaths a week is too many. Learning to live with this virus does not mean we should accept this number of deaths.

    https://twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1481342273384337408

    Counts, Tests, Deaths
    Jan 12
    • Record 15 million cases reported in last seven days
    • challanges in detection & reporting
    • access to testing
    • self-testing at home not counted
    • we know the 15 million is an underestimate
    • lower proportion of cases are dying
      [~edit: Omicron less severe, or due to vaccinations as seen in severity & deaths of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated...]
    • 43,000 deaths in last seven days
    • False naratives:
      - the common cold - not true
      - just mild - not true
    • vaccinations!
    https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1481254500161794050
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