One last challenge to the election

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 5:57 pm

I'm sure many people are resigned to hopelessness or beyond caring at this point, but for those who aren't:

Representative John Conyers, ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, will object to the counting of the Ohio Electors from the 2004 Presidential election when Congress convenes to ratify those votes on January 6th. In a letter dispatched to every Senator, which will be officially published by his office shortly, Conyers declares that he will be joined in this by several other members of the House. Rep. Conyers is taking this dramatic step because he believes the allegations and evidence of election tampering and fraud render the current slate of Ohio Electors illegitimate.

As you may recall, at least one Senator is needed to challenge the results in the Senate. In 2000, many Representatives from Florida tried to contest the results from their state, but no Senator had the guts to join them. If you think election laws were broken and W. stole the vote yet again, contact your Senators NOW and tell them to support Conyers' effort.

http://www.senate.gov

If you think Bush won Ohio fair and square, consider these bits of data:

--52.1% of people coming out of their polling stations in Ohio on November 2nd said they voted for John Kerry, in direct contradiction to the 48.7% computer tabulated vote count that puts Ohio in Bush's corner.

--There's no trick to exit polls: A random, sizable sample of voters are asked who they voted for, and if the sample is random enough and large enough, it is statistically correct. Exit polls are used around the world as accurate indicators of whether elections have been burgled or not, see Ukraine.

--Mitofsky International (MI) partnered with Edison Media Research to conduct the Nov. 2 exit polls: MI is largely credited with inventing the election exit poll and has conducted exit polls in close to 3,000 elections internationally.

--Samples taken on election day were approximately 6 times larger than that usually used in high quality, pre-election polls, with a correspondingly high expectation of accuracy.

--That in Ohio Kerry is credited with just 48.7% of the votes rather than the exit polls' 52.1% indicates a 999/1000 likelihood that either the exit poll sample was not random, or the computer tabulated vote count is very wrong. If the exit poll sample was not random, then why on earth wasn't it? No explanation has yet been provided. Any other democracy in the world would call this a crisis.

--Of 400,000 election complaints called in, there are over 50,000 complaints of malfunctioning voting machines nationwide, with almost every "glitch" reported favoring Bush. If these are just crappy machines, why aren't they randomly chalking up extra votes for Democrats too?

--Statisticians graphed an entirely abnormal and direct correlation between precincts with computerized voting and Democrats voting for Bush (FL)

--A sworn affidavit by election official Sherole Eaton says that in advance of the 3% hand recount, a Triad elections technician put a "patch" on their PC, then advised her to post computer totals on a "cheat sheet" so they could get their hand recount "perfect" (This is now part of an FBI investigation requested by Conyers, as well as an inquiry from Kerry/Edwards to Blackwell's office)

Everything I've heard personally from people in Ohio makes me believe the fix was in. It may be quixotic, but this is the last chance to challenge the results. If you care, show it now. If you don't, well, why have you bothered reading this far?

calicowboy925 · Post by **calicowboy925** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:47 pm

More arm flappin' from the dip shit leftist liberal morons......give it up, the majority of the US population does not agree with you and the micheal moore dirtbags. FACE IT...YOU LOST!

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:49 pm

calicowboy925 wrote:More arm flappin' from the dip shit leftist liberal morons......give it up, the majority of the US population does not agree with you and the micheal moore dirtbags. FACE IT...YOU LOST!

Once again, you express so well your intelligence and rational thinking. Thank you for making it back to our boards to grace us with your presence. Really, you were deeply missed.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 7:51 pm

And if your boy won by cheating his ass off, that's just fine with you, isn't it? 'Cause folks like you don't give a damn about fairness or justice, you just want to come out on top. Or can you actually refute any of the examples of irregularities I mentioned in the first post? Any examples, say, of Diebold machines incorrectly awarding votes to Kerry, for instance? Come on boy, I'm waiting.

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:31 pm

I'll take Ohio voter fraud in square one for 10 points please

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:41 am

Calico Boy!! God, we've missed you! Your warm and sensitive remarks; your carefully thought out propositions; your willingness to admit it when you are wrong; and your joyful acceptance of everyone else here on the boards...

...or am I thinking of someone else?...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:36 am

wow you guys! cali is back! (is there anyone else who thought he was calico as opposed to cali cow for a while??) you have so much valuable input. do you have an alert function to tell you when someone types 'election'? and then does it automatically type 'you lost' for you to save you the trouble?

oh, how i love those on either side of the political divide who can't think for themselves.

hey cali, why don't you come over to Rob and Surly's advice thread? i'm sure you have questions about something. They treat their visitors really well.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:33 am

'calico'. yep. for a good long time. and, even after I figured it out, I still thought it. Yep.

i'm learnin'....

phoenix13 · Post by **phoenix13** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:47 am

If Bush did win fairly, then why is it that so shortly after he won the election that he has the lowest post-election popularity of any president?

To me, that just doesn't add up.

KellY · Post by **KellY** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:30 am

Apparently, thousands of voters in Ohio were so embarrassed they voted for Bush they lied about it in the exit polls...

Anyway, looks like the challenge will actually happen, though it's not likely to affect the outcome. At least the fucked-up circumstances in Ohio will be brought to the spotlight, taking the shine off of W's "victory".

Democrats to force debate on Ohio results
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By Alan Fram (Associated Press)

Jan. 6, 2005 | Washington -- A small group of Democrats agreed Thursday to force House and Senate debates on Election Day problems in Ohio before letting Congress certify President Bush's win over Sen. John Kerry in November.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., signed a challenge mounted by House Democrats to Ohio's 20 electoral votes, which put Bush over the top. By law, a challenge signed by members of the House and Senate requires both chambers to meet separately for up to two hours to consider it. Lawmakers are allowed to speak for no more than five minutes each.

While Bush's victory is not in jeopardy, the Democratic challenge will force Congress to interrupt tallying the Electoral College vote, which is scheduled to begin at 1 p.m. EST Thursday. It would be only the second time since 1877 that the House and Senate were forced into separate meetings to consider electoral votes.

"I have concluded that objecting to the electoral votes from Ohio is the only immediate way to bring these issues to light by allowing you to have a two-hour debate to let the American people know the facts surrounding Ohio's election," Boxer wrote in a letter to Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, D-Ohio, a leader of the Democratic effort.

The action seems certain to leave Bush's victory intact because both Republican-controlled chambers would have to uphold the challenge for Ohio's votes to be invalidated. But supporters of the drive hope their move will shine a national spotlight on the Ohio voting problems.

Bush defeated Kerry, 286-252, with 270 electoral votes needed for victory.