What do you think?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:40 pm

Is this BORG2 thing just a attempt by the tail to wag the dog?

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:48 pm

I think it's an attempt by the tail to butt fuck the dog...

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:48 pm

Not that there's anthing wrong with that...

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:57 pm

Growing pains.

Frustration (founded and unfounded)

Exertion of 'share holder rights'

Something to bitch about

Protest against creeping mediocrity

Frustration at the growing numbers of people who go to the event to vicariously leech off the creative energies of others.

Something to bitch about

Attempts to exert control in a world in which we feel ever powerless over

Genuine concern by people who feel weel invested in the event

Just a few ideas...

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:24 pm

Badger wrote:Growing pains.

Frustration (founded and unfounded)

Exertion of 'share holder rights'

Something to bitch about

Protest against creeping mediocrity

Frustration at the growing numbers of people who go to the event to vicariously leech off the creative energies of others.

Something to bitch about

Attempts to exert control in a world in which we feel ever powerless over

Genuine concern by people who feel weel invested in the event

Just a few ideas...

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That's nice list of control issues.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 6:32 pm

That's nice list of control issues.

Maybe. but to take the opposite stance is the very definition of passive observer (i.e 'spectator').

Give me the former any day.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:42 pm

My take on it is just basically this:

"We want to try a different process for getting art onto the playa and see if it works. Carve us out a little space of our own and let us decide what goes into it without a lot of interference as long as we promise to abide by the safety and health requirements."

That is pretty much it. BORG2 are being given a piece of the playa and will have their own process for granting monies and placing art within that piece of the playa.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:11 am

I don't understand how this, in any way, is different from a village.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:14 am

stuart wrote:I don't understand how this, in any way, is different from a village.

~~~Salem, Mass circa 1600 and something~~~~~~
Remember it takes a village to burn the witch.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:15 am

Caco prank.

And I LIKE it.

Good job.

tisha2 · Post by **tisha2** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:27 am

i second that, rob.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:50 am

stuart wrote:I don't understand how this, in any way, is different from a village.

Villages are generally not allotted a chunk of the playa inside the Esplanade to place art as they see fit. Villages also camp in a set area and have theme camps and stuff. There is no such "thing" going on with BORG2. They MIGHT have some real estate where like minded people might camp in close proximity but it isn't central to the idea. Any camp or person anywhere in the city may align themselves with BORG2's method of art curation no matter where they camp.

It isn't about camping. It's about art.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:18 am

so i must aline myself with BORG2 to be one with the in crowd?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:25 am

so, what I get from that is the big (only) difference is real estate allocation

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:26 am

unjon, from their perspective, yes

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:29 am

There is a bigger picture, as I see it. Borg1 and Borg2 are in bed together to create something more, or whatever.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:33 am

Wll, there is a certain amount of cooperation required. After all, borg1 has all the permits and insurance and is ultimately responsible for what happens there. It isn't like BORG2 has it's own event or anything. This is mainly about an experiment in a different art curation process involving democracy, transparency, and massive community participation and pooling of resources. It is hoped that it will allow more art to be placed on the playa at lower cost overall and with complete community involvement in the process. It is just a one-time demonstration of an alternative process.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:38 am

unjonharley wrote:so i must aline myself with BORG2 to be one with the in crowd?

No - that's old hat. If you REALLY want to be "IN" you need to join BORG3...

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:51 am

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:56 am

Is the configuration of BRC changing? Camp them & Camp us.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:16 am

BORG2 is a ONE-TIME experiment in PROCESS. It isnt about any CAMPS. They are goign to put art on the playa using a different PROCESS to get artists funded and get their art to BRC and get their art on the playa. That's really all it is about.

It is really all about this ... VOTE the people on the art council. Give money. VOTE for how the money is spent. VOTE for how the art is layed out. So rather than arriving at BRC and spectating at all the static art and stuff out there on the playa and maybe bitching about how lame it is, etc. BORG2 members will arrive at the playa knowing what to expect because they PARTICIPATED in getting the art to the playa. They can still bitch, though.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:34 am

hmmmm,,, I envision an obnoxious bullhorn wielder walking through the Borg2 encampment/art area bitching about how much it sucks...

Because of my good spirited nature, I would only pee on a person such as this.