Classical Music Lovers

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:16 am

fuck baby, if the progressions made it plagiarism, you'd have a complete morass of lawsuits these days.

especially in 'pop' music*

*by which i mean the vast array of music covering the swath from pop to rock to whatever, most of them written in I-IV-V progressions.

IIRC there was melodic sampling... but it's been a hella long time.
IIRC, it was also common to sample your own compositions in later pieces.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:26 am

Oh, for politically correct rousing classical music, you can always do Orff's Carmina Burana--also folio'd onto movie soundtracks with alarming frequency.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:29 am

I'd suggest looking into Concerti Grossi. They aren't the kind of overt emotional wallowing that make up most soundtracks, but there are some truly incredible ones out there. Geminiani is one of my new loves.

For some reason i have Die Meistersinger running through my head right now.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:32 am

Rian Jackson wrote: For some reason i have Die Meistersinger running through my head right now.

Ah the Wagner character with my last name.

But was he Jewish?

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:36 am

Rian Jackson wrote:fuck baby, if the progressions made it plagiarism, you'd have a complete morass of lawsuits these days.

especially in 'pop' music*

*by which i mean the vast array of music covering the swath from pop to rock to whatever, most of them written in I-IV-V progressions.

IIRC there was melodic sampling... but it's been a hella long time.
IIRC, it was also common to sample your own compositions in later pieces.

melodic sampling, yes, either from others or from your own works... I remember that much, anyway...

I-IV-V?? really? I never would have guessed! (dripping, DRIPPING I say, with sarcasm)

I remember when my beloved Stuart Davis came to perform there the first time, and he started playing a really well-known riff, and we had a 'how many songs can we think of that have this same progression' game... very fun...

On Topic:

not sure if he falls under the 'classical music' category, but Philip Glass comes to mind...

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:38 am

How about the Ring Cycle on kazoos and the vocals done with helium assist....?

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:49 am

fish-o, regarding d.m., i dunno. i've just played it, but never studied the background of that particular piece.

Guin - remember the interval memory aid thingies? ya know, the songs that gave you examples of intervals, for sight singing? (i'm still a sucker for a good tritone)

oooh, still not classical, but Andrea Bocelli gets me going. (Bocelli is especially fun when your SO is fluent in italian and will translate for you). Seriously, blast down the road with the windows down and Bocelli in your ears... it's fucking heaven...

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 9:50 am

I sure do, RJ... and still use them on occaision....

although, I never really had a problem at sight reading... it's one of my strong suits. my prof used to get angry at me, because I never studied...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:00 am

i always felt behind and off in those classes. i did fine, except i'd always fuck up on something stupid in theory, usually on partwriting.

i think it's because i was in there with the kids who took lots of theory in high school. and because my first day they put me in the wrong theory class. first class of the first day of my first year in college, and Baldwin kicked me and a few others out to go to the ignorant people's class.

would've been fine if it wasn't Baldwin. Of course, everyone is semi-terrified of him for at least a half a year. 'Pleae don't look at me; don't notice i exist.' You know.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:20 am

I had (oh, we already discussed this) Couch.

and I, too, was in with a bunch of people for whom initial theory there was cake. For me, not so much.

and I HATED partwriting.

Sightreading, though... it was the other way around. everyone envied me, because it was really simple for me. I just have that kind of eye and ear.

I dont' remember Balwin...

oof... sorry. completely off topic now...

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 10:54 am

mozart is not baroque

I enjoy wagner

I was so so at sight singing
I was much better at sightreading rhythm
had a prof who had us tapping two different lines in two different meters simultaneously using both hands. Spent the whole of next summer tring to write funky bass lines in 7 and or 5

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:01 am

Holst would be public domain now

Anyway, the process of film composing can be tricky due to the practice of directors using temp tracks, that is, before the original score is completed the director slates in a pre-existing piece to edit to as well as to give the composer a very specific direction. A great example of this is 2001. They just kept hearing blue danube over and over again. Kubrick nagging the composer to do something like it until they finally punted and used the piece. Happens all the time. I am no Williams apologist but Lucas was in love with those Holst temp tracks.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:02 am

stuart wrote:mozart is not baroque

I enjoy wagner

I was so so at sight singing
I was much better at sightreading rhythm
had a prof who had us tapping two different lines in two different meters simultaneously using both hands. Spent the whole of next summer tring to write funky bass lines in 7 and or 5

my prof had us with 4 going: both hands and both feet...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:06 am

stuart wrote:mozart is not baroque

I enjoy wagner

I was so so at sight singing
I was much better at sightreading rhythm
had a prof who had us tapping two different lines in two different meters simultaneously using both hands. Spent the whole of next summer tring to write funky bass lines in 7 and or 5

no one said he was baroque, AFAIK.
and i want a demo of your two hand technique. i still enjoy four in one hand and three in the other - and, of course, the scheme to remember it (go fuck a duck)

GE, Baldwin is the conductor/director of the orchestral programme. also the teacher for Honors Theory. Serious, southern, stoic, and very, very brilliant. The man almost never smiles. I have more respect for him, artistically, than almost any one else i've met. He was almost enough for me to stay at theat school, but not quite.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:08 am

Ranger Genius wrote:Quasi: for a consistent, fairly fast tempo, look to the Baroques..Mozart, Vivaldi, et al.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:11 am

oops, sorry stuart, i missed that.

that is such a couch thing, GE: so what rhythms with each limb? shall i stop by for a demo?

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:14 am

fuck if I could do that polyrhythmic shit, beyond 4 against 3 or 5 against 4 if I am really feeling it, anymore.

my mnemonic for 5 on 4 is 'pass the goddamned fucking butter'
for 3 against 4 we used 'ben chadabe' because he was a peer of ours who talked a lot about polyrhythms. It still cracks me up to think about me and my bandmates all breaking into 'ben chadabe, ben chadabe, ben chadabe' when we would see him coming.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:17 am

couldn't do it then, can't do it now...

you could come by and I could show you something ELSE I know about rhythm,, though...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:24 am

Dang Stuart, that avatar is gettin you lots of action.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:32 am

I prepped a naked ass one of me yesterday but did not have the balls to put it up. And my avatar action is rank amatuer compared to what chicks get with their pinup shots. Grrrrr...

GE, polyrhythms are no good for sex. I have tried.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:35 am

stuart wrote:I prepped a naked ass one of me yesterday but did not have the balls to put it up. And my avatar action is rank amatuer compared to what chicks get with their pinup shots. Grrrrr...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're getting attention from girls, not guys who will pm anything that looks remotely female.

stuart wrote:GE, polyrhythms are no good for sex. I have tried.

Have you tried the Polyrhythm Meathod of birthcontrol? Ancient catholic secret.

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 11:43 am

Polyrhythm Meathod of birthcontrol?

that fucking cracked me up

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:52 pm

Quasi — I know of at least one classical piece that can be spun to, because I've done it: the Allegro from Vivaldi's Winter Concerto. This is the one about "Cruel winds cutting, stamping of feet and chattering of teeth, falling down on the ice." We had fun with a two-headed staff and clubs in my friend's backyard a few years ago with that.

Other pieces with a consistent beat is Glinka's "Ruslan and Lyudmila" overture, Bernstein's "Candide Overture," the Rondo from Beethoven's Piano Concerto, also his "Ode To Joy" (plus you get immediate recognition), and "Fossils" from <i>Carnaval des Animaux</i>.

For a crossover, if you don't want to do the Metallica/SF Symphony thing, there is also Symphonic Pink Floyd. I personally was thinking of doing a mix session where I switch back and forth between Spike Jones' treatment of a classical piece and the source material. Other crossovers could include ELO, particularly their earlier stuff, and anything off the Moody Blues' "Days of Future Passed."

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:05 pm

stuart, I said I couldn't DO polyrhythms...
but I've got a pretty good steady beat going, with an increase in tempo every now and again...

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:08 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:stuart, I said I couldn't DO polyrhythms...
but I've got a pretty good steady beat going, with an increase in tempo every now and again...

my playa husband and i discussed this at lunch. we figured out how it oculd be done, but decided it wouldn't be much fun - except the for giggling fits that would ensue.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:09 pm

you were discussing polyrhythms, or steady beats?

[sigh]

I'm confused.

samtzu · Post by **samtzu** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:12 pm

what I remember most about sex is the polyrythms... which explains a lot to me now... hmmmmmmm

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:14 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:you were discussing polyrhythms, or steady beats?

[sigh]

I'm confused.

i'm sorry, polyrhythms. we envisoined it as one person doing, say, a 7, the other a 5. We thought, however, that you might need coaches to help you keep the beat. And it would be really funny.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:22 pm

naw.. rian... just strap a metronome close to your head... do they make headphones for those things yet??

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Fri Jan 21, 2005 1:25 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:naw.. rian... just strap a metronome close to your head... do they make headphones for those things yet??

you could get them for the electronic ones, i think.
of course, the pendulum-y ones wouldn't work well under the circumstances, anyway.