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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:28 pm

Cardinal wrote:DVD, considering what was said indirectly about you last night I'd hold off on any compliments. A couple of eplayans seem to have the admin team's wrath and you are on the top of the list. If you don't believe that, wait for the mp3 of the meeting to come out.
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Post by DVD Burner » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:36 pm

Forget about my previous post.


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Post by Cardinal » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:39 pm

Why yes, they did talk about socks. The same very vocal person who launched into diatribes on socks and DVD Burner is the same one who kept bringing up the alternative board called the 3Playa. And this person came right out and stated he wanted to make the eplaya more acceptable to the core 3Playa users so they will return here. I find it strange that this person wants to take a board serving 7000+ people and reshape it to better serve 25 users from an another board. It doesn't make much sense no matter how good their advice was.

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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:45 pm

and all of those 7000 are contributing really actively here? i don't think so.

many of the 3playans made massive contributions here.

just sayin.'
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Post by stuart » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:46 pm

first, this board does not serve 7000 people. That is just plain intellectually dishonest.

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Post by stuart » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:46 pm

fucking beat me to it again
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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:49 pm

Cardinal wrote:I find it strange that this person wants to take a board serving 7000+ people and reshape it to better serve 25 users from an another board. It doesn't make much sense no matter how good their advice was.
I wonder how well we do serve the needs of the 7000. Obviously there is a "core group" here who serve as the basis of a community--centered perhaps on the "bar thread" but who will roam all over the eplaya. Does admin have any sence of how much those people who seldom or never post publically pm each other? because that's a whole level of communication that is important but is completely invisible to me. And how well do we manage that other function of answering questions of newbies (to the playa or the eplaya) and making them fell welcome?

Thank goodness for the rebbi's introduction thread.
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Post by Cardinal » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:50 pm

I don't know why I'm wading into this. All I want is to see the threads cleaned up. I came on here looking for information about the event and what it takes to attend but finding that information is difficult to sometimes impossible.

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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:51 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:and all of those 7000 are contributing really actively here? i don't think so.

many of the 3playans made massive contributions here.

just sayin.'
A quick look at the stats shows 166 persons with 100 or more posts.

As an arbitrary number.
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Post by Rian Jackson » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:53 pm

Cardinal wrote:I don't know why I'm wading into this. All I want is to see the threads cleaned up. I came on here looking for information about the event and what it takes to attend but finding that information is difficult to sometimes impossible.
a lot of that is because new people with questions make new threads without reading the old ones.

and some of that is the banter. but that stays here these days, mostly.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 09, 2005 2:57 pm

I'm not sure that eplaya is supposed to offer information about the event. Maybe that's what hte main site is for. That being said, it does offer a place to ask questions about what is posted on the main site and get answers of varying degrees (useful to wiseass to crap) of relavence. Certainly, I don't think that the LLC staff can answer all these questions as seperate emails. But as to organization, I don't think that the board is set up softwarewise to keep the tree trimmed down as it were. Admin could be constantly consolidating threads, but I think that would run into controversy quickly. We do our best to post links to old threads, but that's strickly a volenteer effort as we see fit, not a daily effort or anything.

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Post by geekster » Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:53 pm

LOL, fishy you gave me a great idea for a bumper ornament:

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As opposed the greek IXQUS (sorta, since I cant do greek here).
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Post by blyslv » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:32 am

This may be the wrong thread, but I was looking for treatment protocols for the care and feeding of sock-puppet coma.

Please discuss.
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Post by theCryptofishist » Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:37 am

First find the sock puppet's mate. Socks are especially vulnerable to "SoulMate Syndrome" wherein they can find no reason to continue without their percieved "Soul Mate." As such mate tend to dissapere in the dryer, the poor socks are going into comas at the drop of a proverbial hat. Having the mate on hand will at least stop the hysterical "I can't go on without you" comas.

Feeding is difficult. Tubes are permitted, as is soaking the sock in a nutrient bath. Some have had success with agar mediums but the techniques are still in development and socks have been known to starve. We await further breakthroughs on these fronts.
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Post by Zane5100 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:30 am

So, other than sock puppets and 3playans, what else was discussed?

(not all of us can access .mp3 files--damn websence nazis)
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:35 am

Mostly Badger disscussing me and Spanky apologizing too much about something he wont be able to control, like please people that are not the majority of Burningman.


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Post by Isotopia » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:39 am

I'm not sure that eplaya is supposed to offer information about the event. Maybe that's what hte main site is for. That being said, it does offer a place to ask questions about what is posted on the main site and get answers of varying degrees (useful to wiseass to crap) of relavence.
I think ideally the board would provide answers to questions posed often by firs time attendees. Ideally these would be consolidated into a FAQ of sorts for those queries that are just repeat questions. One of the other discussions noted at the meeting Tuesday is that no real mission statement has ever been put forth regarding the board. The simple questions of 'why is this here?', 'what is its purpose?', 'what do we (the project) intend to provide with this service?' have never been fully articulated. In a way it seems to want to be all things to all people and clearly that currently isn't the case. Other discussions included the point that this is a BBS that tries to function as a chat board. With one or two exceptions (The Bar for instance) it ain't all that great for serving that function. Also interesting input from one of Spanky's buds who had his own take on the 'plonk' feature and some of the disadvantages related to it.

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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:09 pm

They also spoke of how they (the techs ie; Spanky and Ra and the such) do not participate in chat rooms and bulletin boards, how they only set them up and implement modifications as per request.
I found this interesting because this is also what I do. eplaya is the only BBS I have ever participated in.

I just wanted to mention that it may be a good idea for these guys to stick their heads in every now and again but I also can agree with what (I believe Spanky ) said, “once you start coming here to eplaya it's hard to get out” and these guys are really busy with this system and that and apps and all.

Anyone have a suggestion for techs/engineers in similar situations? I think it would help to make eplaya better.

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Post by Isotopia » Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:57 pm

Mostly Badger disscussing me and Spanky apologizing too much
Not really. To discuss you would have been inappropriate especially given that you weren't in attendance to defend yourself. What was discussed were your *actions upon your initial arrival to the eplaya and how they played into (but were not cause of) the large scale exodus of folks who went on to incorporate over on the 3playa. That discussion was germane to the background history that was discussed at the beginning of the meeting and I (and others) brought it up as necessary to the discussion. I'll also note that for the benefit of the new folks attending the meeting that I prefaced my remarks by stating that it was my opinion and that I was telling ithrough the lens of my personal bias.

*appx 1500 posts to the e-playa in the course of a one month period (appx.) which wreaked havoc on the board to the point that people were leaving in droves. The cadence of regular discussions were so interrupted and tripped up with meaningless banter and self-indulgent, totally off-topic posts that people who'd been posting for years left never to return.

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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:13 pm

Isotopia wrote: *appx 1500 posts to the e-playa in the course of a one month period (appx.) which wreaked havoc on the board to the point that people were leaving in droves. The cadence of regular discussions were so interrupted and tripped up with meaningless banter and self-indulgent, totally off-topic posts that people who'd been posting for years left never to return.
You are entitled to your opinion.

I'll still bet, no matter what ever is done with eplaya you will still either not be happy or ETF will implement /follow your lead to make eplaya in the end, as popular as the idea of Trey's being mayor.

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Post by Zane5100 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:16 pm

You are entitled to your opinion.
As is everyone.
I'll still bet, no matter what ever is done with eplaya you will still either not be happy or ETF will implement /follow your lead to make eplaya in the end, as popular as the idea of Trey's being mayor.
I'll take some of that action.

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Post by stuart » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:16 pm

wasn't trey the mayor of the largest village at burning man?
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Post by Zane5100 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:17 pm

stuart wrote:wasn't trey the mayor of the largest village at burning man?
No one is charge there.
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Post by Rian Jackson » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:17 pm

I think i'd like it if trey was major, but i think any attempt for me to institute him would constitute voter fraud.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:20 pm

stuart wrote:wasn't trey the mayor of the largest village at burning man?
Was. key word is was.


And I admire him for that but sometimes things need to grow and move on.
sometimes the tourch needs to be passed in order for a new to take hold.

I myself am not looking for Burningman to be the same as it was for me 12 years ago.
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Post by Zane5100 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:20 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:I think i'd like it if trey was major, but i think any attempt for me to institute him would constitute voter fraud.
I'm not so sure he'd want the job.

...and he's not "mayor" of 3playa--he's the admin.

Amazingly, once you use the filters he's supplied (i.e. plonk and ignore), the SNR goes down quickly and you can enjoy the blather you choose.
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Post by Rian Jackson » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:23 pm

I'm not bitching. I'd like what he's done with that board - the way he takes care of it, the way he lets other people take care of it. It's very well done.

And most people who I'd like in office wouldn't want to be there, so I'm not surprised. But regardless, I'm too far north.
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Post by Zane5100 » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:27 pm

I'm not bitching.
Didn't think you were--just tossing in my $.02 worth.
I'd like what he's done with that board - the way he takes care of it, the way he lets other people take care of it. It's very well done.
Yeah, I have to agree with ya.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:35 pm

Most are afraid to say anything to the likes of Badger and the other ....what 25 members of 3playa. not the same crowd as Tribe. I have no problem with them.
There are realisticly as theCryptofishist said about 120 or so members on eplaya ( or have posts over 100 each). that's about 3x the amount of 3playa.

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sparkletarte wrote:I really like the eplaya just the way it is- the colours, the fonts, the way messages are displayed and organized, the way the pm's work. This is the best functioning message board I have ever used- not that I am a message board fiend or anything, just sayin'.

I like it so much that I'm making a message board using phpbb for my business.
It would be nice to get a grip on the actual amout of users, use this board and what are the actual statistics.
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Post by DVD Burner » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:36 pm

This is what it should have said:

Most are afraid to say anything to the likes of Badger and the other ....what 25 members of 3playa. not the same crowd as Tribe. I have no problem with tribe.
There are realistically as I believe CF said about 120 or so members on eplaya ( or have posts over 100 each). that's about 3x the amount of 3playa.

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