eplaya summit

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:39 pm

Most are afraid

what is it that I should/would fear?

let me try

Hey Badger, have a great weekend.

<cringe>

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:42 pm

True eplaya needs some improvements and those improvements have been submitted. But until they have been implemented, I don’t really see anything happening.

I really wanted all that to be one post. Maybe a timmed edit would have allowed me to fix the above posts.

Not there is a realistic suggestion twoards something that needs to be programmed in this php.

Zane5100 · Post by **Zane5100** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:43 pm

25 members of 3playa

Naw, that's just the approx. number of addicts that can't stop posting and have ready access to the Internet 24/7.

Sort of like here.

Sounds like you've got a beef with people that you hardly know and are having trouble separating your issues with some individuals from other people.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:44 pm

along with a spellchecker.

Hey, did'nt I send one of those along also?

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:50 pm

I lack hard evidence, but it seems to me that the core of posters on 3playa is of similar size to here. Perhaps even larger (?), much of it more constant with more longevity.

It may have fewer lurkers, though there are plenty, I'm sure.

What eplaya almost certainly has is more drive-bys - folks who come by once in a blue moon but aren't really invested/don't post. Ever notice how many folks on the member list have zero posts?

Also, it's worth remembering that there are still <ahem> plenty of socks roaming here.

But anyway, all of this numbers talk is, at some point inconsequential. The crux of the argument that started it was that there's talk of revising the eplaya to suit that small vocal number rather than the registered users here. But who says that all of the users here are thrilled with it? You'd think, if they were, they'd post more.

All i'm saying is that logically, the tantrum that initiated this conversation doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:52 pm

Zane5100 wrote:
25 members of 3playa
Naw, that's just the approx. number of addicts that can't stop posting and have ready access to the Internet 24/7.

Sort of like here.

Sounds like you've got a beef with people that you hardly know and are having trouble separating your issues with some individuals from other people.

No no no,

Not hardly. Most that are over there I have no problem with. It's a select few that have a problem with me and will go through any lengths to not only get rid of me at any cost but make me miserable by any means no matter how low they have to sink.

(and I've seen them sink pretty low for some of the dumbest shit..) It's been pretty funny really.
To me, it's a message board and as I've said earlier and have said time and time again, this whole message board chat thing is new to me. Eplaya is the only time I've interacted with end users this way so it really doesn’t bother me. If anything it fascinates me how some can get so worked up over what someone may post in a virtual environment.

So far it's been worth studying.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:53 pm

Are there stats on how many people log in, and how many log in multiple times a week and how many log in and read and how many exchange pms without posting? Because a lot of this is really just speculation without that kind of information.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:54 pm

I could swear i saw a post from you on 3playa, back in the beginning.

Interesting.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:54 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Are there stats on how many people log in, and how many log in multiple times a week and how many log in and read and how many exchange pms without posting? Because a lot of this is really just speculation without that kind of information.

And even those won't tell you what the silent majority thinks of the whole thing.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 3:57 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:I lack hard evidence, but it seems to me that the core of posters on 3playa is of similar size to here. Perhaps even larger (?), much of it more constant with more longevity.

It may have fewer lurkers, though there are plenty, I'm sure.

What eplaya almost certainly has is more drive-bys - folks who come by once in a blue moon but aren't really invested/don't post. Ever notice how many folks on the member list have zero posts?

True some may be socks but have you ever thought that maybe some of those driveby's my feel unconfortable wanting to post here on eplaya for fear of being sniped at or being called asshat?

Especially if they may be a newbie. They dont have to be a newbie come to think of it, why should anyone be subjected to insults from folks that really dont have it together themselves.

If you can explain to me how this is productive to Burningmans BBS please?

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:01 pm

We were talking about formatting, were we not?

Are you indicating that you would prefer to make vague slights and character attacks? Because I'd rather not engage in that; it's rhetorically and intellectually weak.

Now, which conversation do you want to have, DVD?

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:11 pm

Sorry to interrupt Rian honey, I know you're playing with your monkey and all, but I'm wondering... You probably knew about that big party at LL / Deep House this Friday; are you going? I'm heading over to the LL right after work.

PIXIE IS GOING TO BE THERE!

Okay, sorry to interrupt, back to taunting your pet monkey...

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:11 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:Are there stats on how many people log in, and how many log in multiple times a week and how many log in and read and how many exchange pms without posting? Because a lot of this is really just speculation without that kind of information.
And even those won't tell you what the silent majority thinks of the whole thing.

True. I was after apparent utility not a survey.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:12 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:We were talking about formatting, were we not?

Are you indicating that you would prefer to make vague slights and character attacks? Because I'd rather not engage in that; it's rhetorically and intellectually weak.

Now, which conversation do you want to have, DVD?

What the hell are you talking about and how the hell did you get that from what I posted?

Nevermind.

Jeeeezzzzz what a waste of time.

Look, what I am saying, ( I'll try as best as I can but I cannot explain any slower than this.)

An example:

everyone gave jimmason a really bad time. He got into it with me because he thought I was mocking him like the usual characters here that mock on eplaya. Once I made my point of him using a diffrent approach to avoid most of the mockers here on eplaya, things worked out really well for him. Really really well. ( doubt it was because of me solely but it still feels nice to see him doing ok.)

I really have'nt seen him on this board ever since.

If you cant understand that, then too bad cause I'm not wasting anymore time typing any slower for anyone else. Or as coworker put it, "explain like you are talking to a 5 year old."

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:14 pm

Ooh ooh! Eee eee! Ahh Ahh!

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:20 pm

Oh, you're right, you were never consistent:

The following indicates technical work, to me :

what ever is done with eplaya you will still either not be happy or ETF will implement /follow your lead to make eplaya in the end,

I continued in that vein:

I'd like what he's done with that board - the way he takes care of it, the way he lets other people take care of it. It's very well done.

You quoted ST regarding technical stuff:

I really like the eplaya just the way it is- the colours, the fonts, the way messages are displayed and organized, the way the pm's work. This is the best functioning message board I have ever used- not that I am a message board fiend or anything, just sayin'.

Then you talked of behaviour:

Most are afraid to say anything to the likes of Badger and the other

But returned immediately to the technical:

Maybe a timmed edit would have allowed me to fix the above posts.

along with a spellchecker.

And then, when i pointed it out, you insulted me- the same thing that you accuse everyone else of doing.

Now speaking of communication levels of a five year old...

ITSF.

Rian Jackson · Post by **Rian Jackson** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:23 pm

Oh, and FWIW, Jim Mason got a hard time because he came in here disrespecting everyone and everything. He was told nicely several times both on the threads and privately, but wanted to play god. So he got what he wanted. There was a definite progession, but I'll let you go do the research yourself.

Sensei · Post by **Sensei** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:28 pm

Look, I feel awful; I really do. But I know you kids like to taunt Chim-Chim and nobody's in the bar so... I'll hust hang with you scenesters fo' while. What about Miss GuinivereElise? I see you out there, Guin. Are you coming?

Gotta banana for Chim-chim?

III · Post by **III** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:50 pm

there are statistics for the 3playa.

regular (i.e. daily) posters number somewhere between 40-50. there are maybe twice that many semi regular lurkers. i refuse to keep stats on who posts most often, but it might be noted that the 3playa has about double the traffic that the eplaya does, even with fewer members.

it should also be noted that at least a third of those people with over a hundred posts are people that have moved on and no longer post here. you'd probably recognize their names from being the o.p.s on some of the older threads here, though.

important question:

what's the purpose of the eplaya?

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:05 pm

Yay Trey for bringing up the Important Question. The best I can tell, from the Comunity Guidelines, is that it is this:

The ePlaya exists to support the Burning Man community.
In order to do so, it must support the interests of ongoing ePlaya community members who may have a variety of interest that they bring to this forum that may be only peripheral to the actual Burning Man event. This also includes those Burning Man community members who only briefly interact online, and those who are joining the community and wish to gain an understanding of it.

As far as I can tell, the eplaya is fulfilling it's purpose as stated- it's a pretty broad statement that encompasses almost anything (except those things expressly against the TOS and Guidelines).

Maybe the purpose has evolved into something else, or people think it needs to change to something more specific, or less specific.

It's kind of as broad as BM itself is, actually.

III · Post by **III** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:25 pm

>The ePlaya exists to

heh. i'm pretty sure i pulled that out of my ass when i wrote it. it was my best guess at what i thought the powers that be might want to see. but it's based entirely on my own suppositions and prejudices (filtered, i suppose, by the people who actually made it into policy).

given that the author of that text asked the question, do we have a better answer?

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:36 pm

Rian Jackson wrote:
And then, when i pointed it out, you insulted me- the same thing that you accuse everyone else of doing.

BWWWAAAAAAAA!!!!! Ok Ok OK

I'm sorry.I did not mean to insult you.

It just was not getting through and I was trying to make my point as quickly as possible as I was going out the door.

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:43 pm

III wrote: what's the purpose of the eplaya?

I know my purpose here is solely to amuse myself. But I generally hang out in the General Discussion section for that purpose.

Why here? This board? Liked-minded folks that share a common bond with me.

Others? Possibley to present a media whereas people that share a common bond can communicate online.

BTW. I think a new pet peeve of mine is the overuse of the word 'community'. In some ways it has replaced the capitalized word 'Art' as a means to show pretentiousness. I take a perverse pleasure in being told that I am not 'Building Community' when I do something that some frickin' hippy doesn't like.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:46 pm

Hmm, well, comments pulled out of one's ass can tend to be...assy.

Maybe a new 'mission statement' for the eplaya needs to be developed? Or maybe not. I'm probably not the best person to talk about this, because on the whole on think it functions just fine. It's a cross section of life, just like any other, but tending to function better than many.

Well, okay, I'd say the purpose of the eplaya to to provide an online gathering place for people who attend, and who are interested in Burning Man. hahaha. assy. Does it need to be more than what it is?

cowboyangel · Post by **cowboyangel** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:50 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
III wrote: what's the purpose of the eplaya?
I know my purpose here is solely to amuse myself. But I generally hang out in the General Discussion section for that purpose.

Why here? This board? Liked-minded folks that share a common bond with me.

Others? Possibley to present a media whereas people that share a common bond can communicate online.

BTW. I think a new pet peeve of mine is the overuse of the word 'community'. In some ways it has replaced the capitalized word 'Art' as a means to show pretentiousness. I take a perverse pleasure in being told that I am not 'Building Community' when I do something that some frickin' hippy doesn't like.

you are in a class of your own, carpet spine. Or you're in a cum-munity

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:52 pm

Hmm, does it actually need to be 'fixed'? I mean, aside from features lacking like edit, and others that people have brought up, does the actual nature of the eplaya need to be altered?

I'm not convinced it does. The only way I can see to change it to make it 'more relevant' to the actual event would be to get rid of the General threads and only have threads that are specifically related to what happens at the event and other Burning Man-sanctioned events.

However, what happens in the General threads is related to BM because that is the place that we have our every-day type interactions that foster the above-dreaded 'Community'.

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:53 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:
III wrote: what's the purpose of the eplaya?
I know my purpose here is solely to amuse myself. But I generally hang out in the General Discussion section for that purpose.

Why here? This board? Liked-minded folks that share a common bond with me.

Others? Possibley to present a media whereas people that share a common bond can communicate online.

BTW. I think a new pet peeve of mine is the overuse of the word 'community'. In some ways it has replaced the capitalized word 'Art' as a means to show pretentiousness. I take a perverse pleasure in being told that I am not 'Building Community' when I do something that some frickin' hippy doesn't like.

Ditto.

That's why I'm only in the general area too. on ocassion I get to be helpful and answer a question but that's it.

(Yeah I know someone is gonna be a smart ass and say something to that.)

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:00 pm

And you know, reading what little I did about what happened at The Summit, I got the idea that part of that was like complaining about yahoos or ravers or whatever (referring to the socks).

Of course, I'm sure there was a lot of productive discussion that went on, just a quick observation.

Are there summit minutes? I'm sure I missed that somewhere.

GuinivereElise · Post by **GuinivereElise** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:19 pm

for me, the eplaya exists as a way for me to have daily interaction with like-minded people that I would not, on a daily, or perhaps even weekly or monthly, basis have contact with. It is a sounding board, a shoulder to cry on, a group of friends to laugh with, different viewpoints to hear, learn from, debate about, a place where I grow and change, a place where I get to be myself, a place where I can speak my mind, be inspired, be angered, learn learn learn. Through this board, I have met people who have changed my life, in many many ways, that I would probably never have EVER met on the playa. I magically re-found an old friend, and just as magically created new and amazingly deep friendships. Some of the most influential people in my life right now exist only on this board, and it acts as a way for me to have discourse, actual meaningful discourse, with them. I am entertained and I entertain. It's a give and take, in all respects.

my $0.02[/i]

DVD Burner · Post by **DVD Burner** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:33 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:for me, the eplaya exists as a way for me to have daily interaction with like-minded people that I would not, on a daily, or perhaps even weekly or monthly, basis have contact with. It is a sounding board, a shoulder to cry on, a group of friends to laugh with, different viewpoints to hear, learn from, debate about, a place where I grow and change, a place where I get to be myself, a place where I can speak my mind, be inspired, be angered, learn learn learn. Through this board, I have met people who have changed my life, in many many ways, that I would probably never have EVER met on the playa. I magically re-found an old friend, and just as magically created new and amazingly deep friendships. Some of the most influential people in my life right now exist only on this board, and it acts as a way for me to have discourse, actual meaningful discourse, with them. I am entertained and I entertain. It's a give and take, in all respects.

my $0.02[/i]

Ok,

Please belive me I really want to understand this just as well as (from what I got from the meeting) others at the eplaya summit,

Cant you get the same thing from a chat room? Like an IRC? An eplay IRC.