The Bar

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:31 pm

This happened about four years ago. A friend who lives behind the house told us after we'd gone to look at it. At first we were weirded out, but then we realized nothing felt amiss when we looked at it so we are fine with it. And, the new town is population 300, yet 100 years ago there were 10,000 rowdy lawless miners there, so you got to figure someone has died on pretty much every square foot.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:34 pm

It's okay rg, nothing weird happened, thank goodness!

So.... we had the hardest time getting this house [as you might well know] and when it finally happened our agent said we must have had a guardian angel. I like to think it was this woman, because I thought about her a lot and tried to convery what we want to do with the space so she'll be okay with us being there.

When we got it, we bought some sage to smug it. My hon smudged the house and I smudged the shop. When I was smuding, as I was walking around the space, two times I looked down at my feet and one time there was a piece of a glass pipe and another time a ball bearing. I thought she was communicating something to me....just odd that I'd see them at that time in that way.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:35 pm

lightly strokes with her fingertips from the top of his head down his back, stopping for good scritches behind the ears and under the chin

I'll give you a week or two to stop that.

(ears perk up at hearing sparkle's story and eyes widen just a bit)

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:35 pm

.....and? Didja sense anything, see anything? Catch mysterious wafts of car exhaust when no car was running?

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:36 pm

[I hope I'm not boring anyone]

Now last night, I remembered a very vivid dream. I haven't remembered my dreams for a very long time, but when I used to remember then, I 'd remember 5 or something, and all in fine- I could repeat them all back the next day like I was watching a movie and giving a play by play.

And last night I dreamt we bought a haunted house, and I remember it really well.

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:37 pm

oops, movin too slow tonight.

I've got unlimited free weeks now, it seems; one is all ya want?

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:37 pm

No, nothing like that.

In my dream, we bought a big, big house, more like an old hotel or something, but with one big main floor, and two floors above that. The main floor we were going to turn in to a bar. We bought it with a couple other people, I don't know who they are.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:40 pm

We were fixing up the house, doing minor renoes, painting, stuff that we aare doing in realy life to the new house. The main floor we had been doing a lot of work, but not on the second floor. It felt weird up there and we couldn't figure out what was up.

We decided it was time to tacle the second floor. The walls had old wood, like short pieces of hardwood flooring, on them. They had been painted over, and the paint was peeling. I said to someone, let's strip off some of the paint and leave other parts, and then put on varnish [which is what we are doing in real life to the house].

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:41 pm

so, when is the actual move-in date?

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 pm

As soon as I said that, voices and squels started in the house in the second floor [now I'm getting the chills]. It was weird...like whale calls and high pitched voices, lots of them.

We hightailed it out of there and went downstairs to the main floor. We couldn't hear them down there.

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:42 pm

oooh! I just got goosebumps too.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:44 pm

I’m a bit of a skeptic too, in all honesty. Many, many things are just perfectly normal happenings misinterpreted. Hell... I’m skeptical of my own points of view. But... there’s been some funky things happen to me too. I listen with an open and critical mind. Some stuff I've been through was of a nature that was beyond what we think of as rational.

More things going on than we can perceive at times I think.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:45 pm

I have not idea- whenever we are done renos. A month?

We decided to have a party [we're in the dream here]. Tons of people came, there was a band, and we had a big fireplace in the centre and a bar. It was rockin'! All of a sudden a realized I could hear the voices from upstairs over the music. I freaked. I ran over to one of the people we bought the house with 'I can hear the voices! What are we going to do? Can everyone else hear them?' He heard them, but said that people probably just thought they were coming from the speakers from the band.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:46 pm

I got worried, how were we going to do the renos and rent out our place to people when there's all the screaming, squealing voices on the floor where all the guests would stay.

Then it hit me.

We'll have a haunted bed and breakfast! There's people that go for that! I was so excitied in my dream.

hahaha

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:47 pm

That's a good story, sparklevelvet. I love your attitude!

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:47 pm

What was odd for me about this dream is that I distinctly remember being scared at times in my dream and wanting to wake up, but another part of me said, Velvet, it's okay, just relax and see this through, it will be okay.

I've never had that happen in a dream before. And I did relax in the dream, and I went with it and it turned out fine.

But there's more...

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:47 pm

Wow.... funky sparkle. I’ve had dreams like that and they make me wake up and then I can’t get back to sleep. They overlap with the “real” world and I get freaked out and wind up staying up or sleeping only lightly afterwards.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:48 pm

It's amazing how easily we are fooled by our own minds. Even if I personally can't explain something that happens to me, it doesn't mean it can't be explained. Our senses are notoriously fallible, and our brains easily fooled, especially by themselves. See my avatar for an example. It's especially true if we "want" or "expect" to see something beyond explanation.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:49 pm

Tarte, I had a presence following me around in the historic house I work at. It was a female 'feeling' presence, so one evening while I was closing I turned around and told the presence that I was just here to tell her and her husbands story the best I could and that there was no harm intended. hasn't happened since. Shit I just got goosebumps too. I was with the Hollywoods today within a quarter mile of where she died in a car wreck in 1943. Yeeooooow.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:50 pm

It's probably because you had that level of lucidity during the dream that you remembered it whereas you normally don't.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:50 pm

Today, I went out to the house by myself. I thought I brought a can opener but I forgot it, so went over to the store to borrow one. The owner, Jill was there. She asked me if I'd done any clearing on the house and shop to deal with that kind of suicide energy. I told her about the smudging, and then we just were talking about energy and changing it. I was thinking of my dream, wanting to tell her but holding off waiting to her her persepctives on the suicide in the shop. Apparently there was a lot of hate between the woman and her stepson, and he's the one that found her dead, and some people think she planned it that way.

So, a lot of bad energy there.

LeChatNoir · Post by **LeChatNoir** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:52 pm

Ranger Genius wrote:It's amazing how easily we are fooled by our own minds. Even if I personally can't explain something that happens to me, it doesn't mean it can't be explained. Our senses are notoriously fallible, and our brains easily fooled, especially by themselves. See my avatar for an example. It's especially true if we "want" or "expect" to see something beyond explanation.

This is very true. I posted a bit on this in another thread about things of a “trans-rational” nature. My brother said the other day, in a similar conversation, “I don’t believe there are supernatural things, only natural things we have yet to explain”

I agree with this. That’s not to say I don’t think there are “ghosts” or God or whatever, only that things are just as they are supposed to be and there are multiple layers of energies, powers, whatever. Some we perceive, some we don’t yet.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:52 pm

[k- almost done then I'll read you]

I had to tell her about the dream, and then she said, oh I've put this brochure for a guy who does energy field/geomancy work in my bag today for some reason! I guess it was to give it to you! So she gave me the brochure and I've left a message for the guy to talk to him about it.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:55 pm

Whoa heli! That kind of thing would freak me out...but...since I had this dream I feel better about it. I can't ever watch horror movies because I can't forget them and I get really, really freaked out. I get creeped out very easily- I'm not sure if I'm just sensitive to the energy around, or if I create the energy myself. And yes, I think there are different levels of energy that we just don't understand yet.

It's was very unlike me in my dream to feel okay with being in the haunted house, and even rejoicing in it at the end.

gigglesnort · Post by **gigglesnort** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:56 pm

Intense.

My Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs (Scott Cunningham) recommends horehound to be scattered as an exorcism herb. Also used in protective sachets to be carried to guard against sorcery and fascination. Drink an infusion to clear your mind and promote quick thinking as well as strengthen mental powers.

Powers: protection, mental powers, exorcism, healing.

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:56 pm

If we can't percieve them:

1: what's the point of believing in them, and furthermore

2: what's the point of even speculating about them?

There are really no phenomena that you will encounter in average life that cannot be explained by an educated enough person. The only thing science has yet to fully comprehend are the ridiculously large and the ridiculously small...and just because we have trouble percieving those things in detail.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:57 pm

A friend came in to the store when I was telling my dream story, and she said she had two ghosts living in her house for the first couple years she was there. And even in the store, there was someone killed there and whenever two people stood in a certain radius around the spot, they would fight or otherwise get some sort of aggravation going on.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:59 pm

I think some people can perceive them and maybe don't know what they are. At the store, the owner had someone come in a clear the spot and she said it's been like night and day.

Apparently suicide energy is the heaviest, on the lowest vibrational scale. You have to get the energy, encourage it, or give it permission to move up to a higher vibration so it can be released. And you have to get it to go to the highest vibration or it will get stuck part way.

sparkletarte · Post by **sparkletarte** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:01 pm

Oh dear, I've scared everyone away. hahaha.

More wine!

Ranger Genius · Post by **Ranger Genius** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:02 pm

I don't mean to offend you, I'm just trying to spark conversation on the topic, but that all sounds like gibberish to me.

One of the things that we know about energy is that it can be measured, detected, studied. That it must have a medium in which to travel and be transferred, that it leaves traces of its existence. If a person leaves energy where they died, why can't the energy be measured?