Radically new themecamp placement layout

mamagrrl · Post by **mamagrrl** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:01 pm

Hey there themecampers.
Have you heard?
They're debuting a 'radical' new placement layout for themecamps this year! I understand they showed the map at Town Hall a few days ago.

No more themecamps in blocks 2 or 3 (next to Espl.),
some themecamps in 4 and 5,
some on the outer rings and
some on a few radial streets (4:30 and 7:30?)

...something about trying to get more folks to travel to the back streets and forge a stronger community. (which I took to mean, damp down on the yahoos, seeing as how they mentioned folks complaining about the high-yahoo factor..)

Got the news from a placement guy, so it's as reliable as it can be until a map is up.
Map's not up yet, but I heard it's ready to go.
I'm trying to decide how I feel about the news.

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:25 pm

Oh fuck,That will make for some nice nabors.

the_iconoclast · Post by **the_iconoclast** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:32 pm

Saw the map at the Spring Town Meeting -

It is pretty much as you described. 4:30 and 7:30 sound about right for what was presented.

"Showing" isn't really the right word - it was on display all over the place!

There appears to still be a lot of non-affected areas.

mamagrrl · Post by **mamagrrl** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:41 pm

the_iconoclast wrote:Saw the map at the Spring Town Meeting -

It is pretty much as you described. 4:30 and 7:30 sound about right for what was presented.

Iconoclast,
Would you happen to have an image of the meeting that might have the map in it?
...or anyone else?

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:51 pm

Here it is, don't know if it is final. This is courtesy of Badger.

ThePikey · Post by **ThePikey** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:21 pm

I dunno how it'll work in practice, but it *sounds* neat. That is a thing that I was kinda mulling over, how much stuff I'd missed by not going into the hinterlands very often. I was just thinking I'd have to make a special effort to do so, now it'll just make it a little easier...

Cool.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:17 pm

I was just looking at the fine print on that map. 9 million sq feet of theme camp space. Wow. Somewhere along the way I did some calculations of the total camping area, I should find that and compare.

mamagrrl · Post by **mamagrrl** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:46 pm

I heard 10,000 people camped in themecamps last year: a third of the BRC population.

Can you throw that into your calculations and figure out how much room/person themers get vs. opencampers?

...or maybe they're expecting a sharp drop in themers *because* of the map.

Tiara · Post by **Tiara** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:07 pm

A calculation of sq footage per person in/out of theme camps could only give you a statistical average. And virtually nothing about BRC is average.

I'm not trying to be facetious. But allocation of theme camp real estate has to do not only with the number of people in a camp, but also with the nature of the camp's infrastructure and interactivity (as described in the theme camp application).

And square footage per person in unassigned territory is virtually unlimited, because a person with a requirement for wide open spaces could simply set up on the fringes of walk-in camping and be literally surrounded by open playa.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 10:13 pm

FYI: the above map is one posted a while back and there have been significant revisions made since that copy came about. In general the 4:30, 6:00 and 8:30 extension of the theme camps/neighborhoods are being extended back into the city as well as the 3 and 9 o'clock keyholes but so NOT take that jpeg as gospel seeing as more up to date drawings are available.

Just a warning.

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:06 pm

I guess I have a different view of radical.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:25 am

It's pretty clearly labelled preliminary sketch Badger, and so I take it as such. I hope you'll share what you can when you can.

mamagrrl · Post by **mamagrrl** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:18 am

Def. saw the 'prelim' note, so all's cool.

It's different from what I had in my minds eye, when it was described to me.
I thought the whole band of themes would be pushed back two blocks, making a belt that runs blocks 4 & 5, from 2 to 8.
Instead, it's looking like a sunburst, kinda.

Love the 'community' idea with the non-linear streets...
But maybe more theme 'rays'?

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:27 am

COOL!!! Great idea!!!

BRC should be one big fucking sea of theme camps, large and small, I thinks...

alienfry · Post by **alienfry** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:05 pm

what if the Theme Camps were all on the outermost street? would the esplanade naturally build itself up? it'd be neat to see the city have a crispy crust around it with soft mellow filling.

just thinking.

i think whatever radical changes happen, it'll rock.

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:10 pm

You'd have the same "problem'" as before - everyone would go to the theme camps on the outside, and the inner loop (esplanade) would be the ghost town on the edge.

I wasn't sure I liked this when I saw it at the meeting, but the more I think on it the more it seems to be able to draw people in. The only thing I can see now is people flocking to 3,5,7,9 spokes to get away from it, where before it was easier... then again the city ought to fill better.

My question is this - do they have any plan to go to 11:00 - 1:00 as the crowd swells? I can see this coming eventually.

BBS

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:45 pm

Bay Bridge Sue wrote:My question is this - do they have any plan to go to 11:00 - 1:00 as the crowd swells? I can see this coming eventually.

Just add another ring to the outside. This will add an enormous amount of space. I think I mentioned something about calculations of space earlier. Maybe I'll get a chance to work on it tonight.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:10 pm

OK. So by my calculations (which are probably off by some) the total area of the city is approximately 31,430,000 sq ft. Assume that 10% of that is consumed by roads, portapotties and other non-campable area and you get about 28,288,000 sq ft of usable space. If there are 37500 people, then each person has 754 sq ft of space available. I know in our theme camp we had about 25 people camped in a space 50 x 150. That is about 300 sq ft per person, but most of the space really was taken by the coaster and group spaces. I personally used under 100 sq ft. I had some friends camped way out at Sedna. I would guess they had a couple of thousand sq ft available per person.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:26 pm

My question is this - do they have any plan to go to 11:00 - 1:00 as the crowd swells? I can see this coming eventually.

Sputnik nailed the answer. Anticipated growth last year was dealt with by inserting several radial roads rather than further closing in of the circel (i.e 1:00 and 11:00 additions).

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:35 pm

Badger, I don't understand how the insertion of radial roads helps with space?

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:42 pm

ads more square footage

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:44 pm

Perhaps he meant to write ring road, rather than radial. A radial road would be like 8:00, while a ring road would be Earth or Sedna.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:45 pm

probably so

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:48 pm

All this talk of ring roads makes me think of Ringworld. One of my favorite sci fi books.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:52 pm

he he, better than ring worms. lol

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:56 pm

Ringwald?

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:56 pm

eewww

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 7:57 pm

That 'eeewww' was for the worms. Not Molly. Though I haven't seen her in years, so who knows how well she's aged.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:00 pm

yummy, and that's for molly. lol

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Wed Apr 06, 2005 8:00 pm

sputnik wrote:That 'eeewww' was for the worms. Not Molly. Though I haven't seen her in years, so who knows how well she's aged.

~
Saw her in a made for TV movie this past year. Looking great.