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Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:23 am

www.kukukgames.com/burningman

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:27 am

Jakelee80 wrote:www.kukukgames.com/burningman

I think: "What is it?"

Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:59 am

DallasPlaya wrote:
Jakelee80 wrote:www.kukukgames.com/burningman
I think: "What is it?"

Well if you go thru it then click camp then the main camp design link that could be a plot.

sorry for not posting the full link.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:02 am

Looks to me like someone with possibly too much time to kill, maybe too much money (but I doubt it). Vary vague and doubtful that something of this scale could be pulled off by one person. Looks like some mega dance club. Probably doesn't have a clue.

Checked out his main website. Seems he's some software developer. Can't find much of anything to indicate this is anything more than a one man operation.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:04 am

And this would be you....now I'm all red in the face...

Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:19 am

Well I would say yes at the moment till I get it all togeather and find some pepole to spare some time to get it togeather.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:21 am

OK. So what is it? Dance club? It seems pretty monstrous. Have you done this before?

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 11:58 am

Just looking at it, and realizing the logistics of not only building it, but pre-fabbing it so it would be transportable and buildable in a reasonable amount of time (like 48 hours or less??) and then being able to slough it (tear it down) in a short time while preserving it **and** L'ing NT...

You're gonna need a really big crew to do this. AND they're gonna have to be pre-trained in all aspects of poeration so it moves like a ballet going up, running, and coming down. AND the structure is gonna have to be extremely stable (remember the playa wind!). Having worked carnivals as a young woman, and remembering the chaos of just setting up a midway (and we usually had a few days from getting location to open) with a crew of around, what, 110 or so that had done this over and over...

It could be done, but you're talking a fair village of people to do this. And those people are going to have to practice the ups and downs to pull it off, preferably people who have a goodly amount of time on their hands *and* are gung-ho workers.

That's not counting the build up.

So my thought is, IF you have a *ton* of money to hire a crew to build it, and can train enough volunteers to assemble it, and run it, (or hire a crew to do the same), and tear it down and MOOP-patrol it all the while, you have an awesome idea. I couldn't do it in 5 months - I'd want to schedule it for 2007, so all the bugs will work out (and there *will* be bugs!) and you won't have any nasty surprises when you have your opener (and after closing).

Either way - Good luck!!

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:03 pm

I think I cant find what it is.

bullD · Post by **bullD** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:51 pm

I think: was there somethng to be found

zorro sings · Post by **zorro sings** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:03 pm

Reminds me of last years controversial hallucination "Camp Hedon from the Planet Wanton".

Post by **AntiM** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:25 pm

"Yikes that's big," she said.

Where you gonna get truckers with CDLs to drive the big rigs?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:17 pm

Jakelee80 wrote:
DallasPlaya wrote:
Jakelee80 wrote:www.kukukgames.com/burningman
I think: "What is it?"
Well if you go thru it then click camp then the main camp design link that could be a plot. ;-) sorry for not posting the full link.

Go thru what? Anyone else confused?

Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 3:34 pm

gezz pepole get confused. The link is http://www.kukukgames.com/burningman/camp_img/camp.jpg its my idea of a camp design. Should be a little simpler.

Tiara · Post by **Tiara** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 5:22 pm

I think this looks very ambitious.

Have you organized an installation or theme camp on a smaller scale in previous years?

Do you have a committed "management committee" already signed on to help you pull this off?

If the answer to both these questions isn't "YES!" then you may benefit from seeking to join one of the larger theme camps or villages and learn from their experiences this year. Then you would be in a better position to evaluate whether this project might be feasible for 2006.

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:07 pm

I still want to know what your camp is about.

Janka · Post by **Janka** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:59 am

I have the same thoughts as others have raised in this thread already:

Have you been to Burning Man before? If not, have you other experience in construction etc in the desert, so that you know you can pull it off? (If no, and no, I'd say forget about it. Plan something very much smaller, or join another camp this year, to get an idea of the effort.)

As your camp is a theme camp, what is the theme? It looks like "just a dance club" - plenty of those around already. What is it in yours that makes it a special gift to BRC? (If there's nothing extra-special in your setup, I don't personally think that just building a huge club or whatever in BRC is worth it. You can have a huge party at home, for much cheaper and easier. For BRC, I'd plan smaller, but weirder. But YMMV.)

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:50 am

Suggested Budget 1,000,000 !?

unjonharley · Post by **unjonharley** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:14 am

Smelling a dirty sock.

Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:58 am

well sorry for not taking that off. this is just an idea. "Idea board"

the_iconoclast · Post by **the_iconoclast** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:32 pm

Jakelee80 wrote:well sorry for not taking that off. this is just an idea. "Idea board"

I don't think anybody is poopooing the idea.. Clarification of the idea is being asked for. The questions being raised, that have not yet been answered are ones that every camp organizer needs to answer.

The layout is very cool and impressive, but at first look it does appear to be a large dance club. Perhaps you are envisioning Dancing Bears spinning fire while riding elephants... we don't know unless you tell us. Those who are asking logistical questions are merely asking questuions that need to be answered. Perhaps you already have a crew to assemble and disassemble it.

WHAT makes it different? WHAT is the message or trip that the "Subline Theme Camp" presents? WHY should people go there? HOW is it interactive?

People are telling you what they think - I saw comments such as ambitious, big, reminiscent of another camp, an awesome idea, etc... What more are you seeking if you won't answer the questions that will reveal to us - "What's the deal?"

sputnik · Post by **sputnik** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:40 pm

Jake,

the only other impression I can give you from what I've seen is that this looks like you're going at it as if this is a business. I see that you offer ad space on your web site for other theme camps. I'm not sure why anyone would want to advertise their theme camp any more than they'll get just by going, but if it's free, I suppose it can't hurt. Also, things like calling yourself CEO of this is just reminiscent of a business. The only other them camp that does anything like that is Costco Soul Trading, but that is clearly being done as a spoof.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:58 pm

I see spelling errors galore and a picture of the BM LLC's trailers and such post event but little else. Perhaps I missed what all the fuss is about?

Jakelee80 · Post by **Jakelee80** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:13 pm

Errors have been fixed. It’s a theme camp… It will be based around a dance/performing arts center or should I say a place with some shade. No I haven’t been to BM before but I have heard things about it from local people.

The way I hope to pull this off is find a contactor to redesign the structure so it wont like fall and find some volunteers to help out on the building and setup process and what not.

From the link I gave you that’s just a draft of what I was thinking about. It might me smaller if the contractor says it cant be done but I’m sure that one happen because I already counted every part needed to build it and placed it to be on 3 tailors.

Sorry for all the confusion all. Any more questions?

mamagrrl · Post by **mamagrrl** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 9:56 pm

Jakelee80 wrote:Errors have been fixed. It’s a theme camp… It will be based around a dance/performing arts center or should I say a place with some shade. No I haven’t been to BM before but I have heard things about it from local people.

(major snipping) Any more questions?

Well, unless you're Bill Gate$ or his building contractor, I'd advise you burn once, and THEN plan out a huge-kick-a$$ camp. It's only going to cost you time, money and grief, otherwise. See what works on-playa and what doesn't, eh? I mean, do you know the direction of prevailing winds and how strong they blow? That's stuff your engineer is going to have to know so your roof doesn't blow off and smack someone... How much water will your campers need for the week - and the days setting up and breaking down? What about the kitchen for your helpers? Food? shower facilities? ...and you have the people-connections to pull together, what, the 200-300 burner-folk it'll take to set this puppy up? ...or you were going to hire outside staff to come in and work the site?

It's ambitious and all, but perhaps a little impractical at this point in your journey?

spectabillis · Post by **spectabillis** » Sat Apr 09, 2005 11:55 pm

Jakelee80 wrote:Sorry for all the confusion all. Any more questions?

Unfortunately, a lot of large installations dont turn out at bman. If you attend the event and still decide to go foreward with something big, getting feedback from someone who has built something like the main-temple would be invaluable.

Janka · Post by **Janka** » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:45 pm

Jake, I'm sorry if I sounded nasty or obnoxious asking those questions. I did not mean it; I think it's awesome you are planning such big things. I know I personally would not consider doing things on such scale (for one thing, I could never afford it, or bring it over from Europe ;)).

That said, I must repeat that I really, really cannot recommend running a big theme camp with huge construction work without having been to the burn, unless you have comprehensive experience of such work. Yes, it can be done, but it will be so much easier and less risky once you have some experience. Last year was my first burn, and believe me, you might think you have an idea of what's it like from what people have told you... but you don't. Burning Man will be everything they've told you, yes, but it will also be nothing like it.

I think it is practically impossible to get a good idea of what it is like without having been there. My estimation is that you will most likely both have more fun yourself and contribute more to the community, if you "practice" for one year before doing a full-blown camp yourself.

(Since someone else mentioned it, I, personally, also don't like vibe of the term "CEO", and neither am I completely comfortable with the website's "business-marketing" style. Meaning that if you are just one person with an idea and still looking for volunteers to construct and perform and stuff - as I understood from the forum you are - a website advertising Camp SubLine as if it exists already is kinda, well, funny in my eyes. But that's just me personally, so you can completely ignore it. There's room for many tastes on the playa. :))

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