burning man foods you never want to eat, ever again

s5 · Post by s5 » Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:40 am

i hope to never be faced with an open packet of Tasty Bites brand pre-packaged curry, ever again, for as long as i live. i ate nothing but these packets for at least three years of attendance.

okay, your turn. what burning man foods are you sick of?

olivia · Post by **olivia** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 12:47 am

if i ever have to eat that particular type of granola again, i am going to die.

Lydia Love · Post by **Lydia Love** » Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:37 am

Do NOT ever try to make ramen more interesting by adding tuna. I can tell you that no matter how hungry you are it tastes like ass.

Julie · Post by **Julie** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 8:58 pm

oh wow...hahahahahaha.

that sounds so gross! hehe

Did it taste like a fishy, soupy mess of nastiness?

consumer · Post by **consumer** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:15 pm

I'm personaly done with "playa juice" or any variation... you know, the whole "some cheap vodka, tequila, gatorade, a box of cherry nerds, half an orange and playa dust - hah hah!"... whatever. Gimmie a quality import brew in a GLASS bottle (I can manage the incredible burden of packing-out glass bottles).

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:29 pm

Do NOT ever try to make ramen more interesting by adding tuna.

Ding, ding, dinggggg.

A new high score.

Wrongness Factor: 9.575

clandyone · Post by **clandyone** » Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:17 pm

I'm fully burnt on the Tasty Bite as well.

Last year, nobody in our camp kept track of who was cooking what when, so we had breakfast burritos every goddamn morning.

This year, nobody in our camp kept track of who was cooking what when, and the breakfast-burrito backlash took the form of an endless procession of lumpy blueberry pancakes, day in and day out.

I never even want to SEE another goddamn blueberry pancake.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:15 pm

We were enforced vegetarians during our week in the desert, even the passionate omnivores like me. Every fucking night (or at least a significant majority), rice and cauliflower in tomato sauce!

No satay!
No couscous!
No corn!
No chicken stock, ANYWHERE! Even with the existence of Herb-Ox cubes and the vacuum-packed cartons from Trader Joe's!
No saffron or honey except when I was cooking!
Scarcely even a <i>hint</i> of mushrooms!
I like veggies but am not a cauliflower fan. In general, I DON'T like the cruciformes, to me cauliflower is just bleached-out broccoli (agh...the only thing Bush Sr. and I agreed on). I did manage to gulp some down but an hour later I was hungry again. The one night I had eggplant I threw it back up a couple hours later. By week's end I'd have <u>killed</u> to get a seat in a seafood or Moroccan restaurant. Just PLEASE don't ever serve me cauliflower in tomato sauce over rice and beans again...

I'm O- and borderline anaemic so I need to have at least a few ounces of meat every day. "Addiction" comments aside — yes, I'm addicted, same way I'm addicted to dihydrogen monoxide. The only thing that saved me from terminal flat-on-my-faceness out there was a couple bags of steak nuggets and my neighbour Pamelita inviting me to a burger dinner in her camp. Meanwhile back in Opera Camp, the Kitchen Gods told me that we'd have to carry out a whole separate and marked set of cooking implements for meat so the vegetarians in camp won't scream. Yikes. The last time we accorded so much morality and exclusionism to a natural process, we got things like teenage pregnancy and AIDS...

Vegetarian Burners, please — I applaud your convictions and stand-taking, but please don't carjack your omnivorous campmates into your lifestyle...

clandyone · Post by **clandyone** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:53 pm

separate and marked set of cooking implements for meat

Harvey Christmas, you're kidding.

Just as I suspected... these voluntary dietary restrictions are becoming more and more like religion.

Am considering all the (many and valid) reasons for vegetarianism, and can see no bloody way that ANY of those ideals would be compromised by eating the fuck out of the same fucking containers that had been used to cook fucking meat. Sheesh.

I think the rib joint on the corner is still open, hang on...

ramen · Post by **ramen** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:15 pm

Lydia Love wrote:Do NOT ever try to make ramen more interesting by adding tuna. I can tell you that no matter how hungry you are it tastes like ass.

I think I go better a la carte with an impertinent Merlot.

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:35 pm

Just as I suspected... these voluntary dietary restrictions are becoming more and more like religion.

Am considering all the (many and valid) reasons for vegetarianism, and can see no bloody way that ANY of those ideals would be compromised by eating the fuck out of the same fucking containers that had been used to cook fucking meat. Sheesh.

Yeah, like whatever residue left in the bottom of that grill doesn't get reduced to inorganic carbon...

However, we've been talking about doing away with the kitchen meal plan. We had a kick-ass kitchen structure that was the literal and geographical heart of camp, with actual plug-in electrical sources (generator feed), an observation platform complete with telescope up top, pantry trailer, a wood-fired oven and multiple food prep and cooking stations as well as several tables and benches. We kept the lumber and will rebuild it next year but probably have it all as a mess hall, with potluck-style meals. I'm not bringing PALIO out again but I'm thinking of grabbing one of those grill chimeneas and joining an omnivore kitchen clan.

Tiara · Post by **Tiara** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:39 pm

clandyone wrote:
separate and marked set of cooking implements for meat
...

Speaking as a non-militant vegetarian-by-choice, I have no problem sharing cooking utensils with carnivores. But on future trips, I will either (a) camp with different people who can contribute their fair share to kitchen/food maintenance over the week or (b) insist on segregated coolers.

The night that I came back to camp for dinner, only to find that the cooler containing that meal's ingredients hadn't been sufficiently iced, causing melted beef burger blood to saturate my melted veggie patties was a bit of a shocker!

diane o'thirst · Post by **diane o'thirst** » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:26 pm

Tiara wrote: Speaking as a non-militant vegetarian-by-choice, I have no problem sharing cooking utensils with carnivores. But on future trips, I will either (a) camp with different people who can contribute their fair share to kitchen/food maintenance over the week or (b) insist on segregated coolers.

Having campmates who share and share alike in camp is a good, happy thing, in the kitchen or otherwise

Sorry you guys were directly upwind of PALIO and didn't get to sample the offerings either via taste or smell — between fifty or sixty blissed-out and fiercely anticipatory Operatics they tended to get digested in short order

H'mmm, maybe I should write up a new kitchen rule: "If you ask 'Is it ready yet?' you just volunteered

"

Alexiis · Post by **Alexiis** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:00 am

~Do NOT ever try to make ramen more interesting by adding tuna. I can tell you that no matter how hungry you are it tastes like ass.~

OH GOD NO, LYDIA!!!!
As the high priestess of ramen, I will gladly assist you in future doctoring techniques, but puhleeese, don't do that again! For the sake of the children,
and your camp mates who have to endure the stink as it evaps into the hot playa day.

YEEEECH!

Hana Hou · Post by **Hana Hou** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:00 am

Can you imagine the horror of cauliflower juice dripping on meat?

olivia · Post by **olivia** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:25 am

oh horror of horrors! veggies don't want to eat the bits of meat and dairy residue left on your cooking implements!

did you know that many vegetarians and vegans cannot tolerate animal fat or small amounts of animal products without gettting a violent case of the shits or puking their guts out? maybe your campmates are of that variety!

not to mention, for some people not eating meat is part of their religion or a somewhat religious experience.

there is nothing fucking wrong with vegetarians wanting their own implements. anyone who camps with me and wants to use my implements understands that they have to cook vegan or find someone else to borrow from. but it sounds like you need to go to "i want meat" camp and they need to go to "i want veggies" camp. jesus christ.

clandyone · Post by **clandyone** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:56 pm

olivia wrote:oh horror of horrors! veggies don't want to eat the bits of meat and dairy residue left on your cooking implements!

did you know that many vegetarians and vegans cannot tolerate animal fat or small amounts of animal products without gettting a violent case of the shits or puking their guts out? maybe your campmates are of that variety!

not to mention, for some people not eating meat is part of their religion or a somewhat religious experience.

there is nothing fucking wrong with vegetarians wanting their own implements. anyone who camps with me and wants to use my implements understands that they have to cook vegan or find someone else to borrow from. but it sounds like you need to go to "i want meat" camp and they need to go to "i want veggies" camp. jesus christ.

If implements are washed carefully, as they must be to keep everyone from getting food poisoning anyway, then the amount of animal residue left on the implements will be infetismal. Scour the pots with borax and finish up with a bleach dip, and you'll be fine.

I know that vegeterians and vegans who have been that way for awhile have trouble digesting meat and dairy -- hell, most people have at least some trouble digesting dairy. But I would like to see an objective source that verifies that the minute amounts of animal residue left on cooking utensils after a good wash with soap and water will unfailingly make people ill.

I imagine this is much more a matter of doctrine than health. Not eating meat for religious reasons is one thing -- if I were camped with orthodox Jews, you can bet your ass I'd keep separate implements. Although the Mosaic laws have since been proven to be arbitrary as far as science goes -- at least with the availability of refrigeration -- many Jews keep them as a point of connection with their heritage. However -- I'm sorry, not eating meat for ethical reasons is not religion, nor should it be religious.

I am not vegetarian, but from what I understand the resons for being vegetarian or vegan are: health, environmental sustainability, and prevention of animal cruelty, as well as some philosophical points about humans' right to use and/or exploit their fellow creatures. All fine.

I'll say it again. How are these ideals compromised by sharing well-scrubbed cooking utensils with people who eat meat?

I am almost positive that no study will appear that proves vegans who consume lentil soup cooked in a pot which previously was used to boil hot dogs will inevitably drop like flies. Ergo, I suspect that this fanatical separation thing has to do with moral self-satisfaction than anything else. "I don't want to do ANYTHING to facilitate you evil, EVIL meat-eaters. So there nyah nyah." This attitude, IMO, accomplishes nothing.

That said -- this was a theoretical argument. Sure, do whatever the hell you want. Eat precisely at 4:30 AM, out of only blue plastic utensils, and do it standing on your head for all I care. But if you're running a big theme camp, I think it is imperative to tell everyone what utensil policy is WELL in advance, and not expect to coerce the great unwashed into a more supposedly virtuous diet once everyone's on the playa. That's paternalistic, condescending and just inexcusable.

star · Post by **star** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:40 pm

sorry for anyone who did not have the nummy nourishment it takes to make it all worth while. if you have never heard of the TUNA GUYS ask a round im sure we have been lucky enough to share some of our fresh albacore Tuna and fresh Salmon with a friend of yours. freshly caught and brought to blackrock city to be enjoyed. find us next year, we,d love to feed ya. Burn on.

Star*

clandyone · Post by **clandyone** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:16 pm

star wrote:sorry for anyone who did not have the nummy nourishment it takes to make it all worth while. if you have never heard of the TUNA GUYS ask a round im sure we have been lucky enough to share some of our fresh albacore Tuna and fresh Salmon with a friend of yours. freshly caught and brought to blackrock city to be enjoyed. find us next year, we,d love to feed ya. Burn on.

Star*

You guys rock. I didn't partake this year, but have in past years, and y'all made my life.

If you don't mind my asking, what kind of tuna do you catch and bring to the playa?

olivia · Post by **olivia** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:28 am

there is no Official Book of Vegetarian Practices that dictates that you can't share cooking implements with meat eaters, it is totally up to the individual to decide. and assuming that vegans don't want to share cooking implements with meat eaters just to inconvenience them is a sad conclusion to come to.

food takes on a different meaning when you voluntarily restrict your choices for a cause you believe in. it can take on far more importance in your life and you can become incredibly attached to rituals surrounding meals and preparation. any small impingment on your ability to feed yourself the way you want or need becomes important.

for me, the thought of using utensils previously used to cook meat is probably akin to the thought of anyone using utensils previously used to cook shit.

some people eat shit. they might even cook it. will i use their scrubbed to death utensils to then cook my food? not unless i am forced to, and then the joy of eating is removed. meat isn't shit, and yeah, i've eaten meat before. maybe i've even eaten shit unknowingly, but the thought of consuming either thing, in any small way, is disgusting to me.

in any case, i find it weird that you'd respect a religious reason and not a personal choice. those religious rules about slaughter and cooking stem from hygiene issues anyway. if it's just about continuing a connection to a commitment, be it religious or personal/ethical/spiritual (and really, what's the difference, religion in this part of the world is a personal choice) i don't understand the difference in attitude.

Juju · Post by **Juju** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:02 pm

ya know, a dash of sesame oil and oyster sauce does wonders to ramen. A lil bit of curry powder or some pace picante can season that tuna right up, too. But bleugh, the hot tuna/ramen combo sounds gross. Can't wait to try it!

This weekend we were tossing about ideas for a "cafe" of sorts next year, the WRONG Cafe. Servin' baconsicles and hot mayonnaise donuts 24 hours a day.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

TheDude · Post by **TheDude** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:53 pm

I'm not a veggie person but I'm always awair of the eating habits of others. I totally support what ever eating beliefs people have, (except shit). I woke up a horable sight this morning. A raccoon pulled out three large Koi out of my pond and had sushi on the patio. Fish scales and blood was all that was left besides the hurt in my soul. It still hurts. I also do not support raccoons eating my fish!
I can not understand the inflexability of some religions with food. If you do it for yourself? Right On! If you force it on someone else? Fuck Off!
I didn't have any bad food on the playa. I've been camping too long and had enough bad food camping that I won't make that mistake again.

I did though witness someone that only brought creem of corn in a can. Enough cans for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I gave him food and a pan to cook in. I couldn't stand by and watch.

JRoyale · Post by **JRoyale** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:11 pm

olivia wrote:some people eat shit. they might even cook it. will i use their scrubbed to death utensils to then cook my food? not unless i am forced to, and then the joy of eating is removed. meat isn't shit, and yeah, i've eaten meat before. maybe i've even eaten shit unknowingly, but the thought of consuming either thing, in any small way, is disgusting to me.

Not to put too fine a point on it Olivia, but unless you've managed to have gone your entire life without eating processed grain - you've ingested poop from many different vermin. That the US Dept of Agriculture has limits on just how much rat feces is permitted in a pound of corn is a dirty little secret (pun intended) that most Americans choose to remain blissfully ignorant of.

Personally, I find meat tastes good.... Hmmmm... meat.

JR

olivia · Post by **olivia** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:23 pm

JRoyale wrote:Not to put too fine a point on it Olivia, but unless you've managed to have gone your entire life without eating processed grain - you've ingested poop from many different vermin. That the US Dept of Agriculture has limits on just how much rat feces is permitted in a pound of corn is a dirty little secret (pun intended) that most Americans choose to remain blissfully ignorant of.

well, i'm not american but i know that the very nature of food means i am ingesting many things i would probably find extremely offputting if i decided to bring it to the front of my mind. hence stating that i may have eaten shit without my knowledge. hell, any vegetable or grain harvest kills many bugs and small animals. the process of making wine apparently also means crushing up small rodents. i'm not so naieve to think everything i am eating is pure and perfect just because i'm vegan. but for my part, i will do as much as i can to avoid eating things that i find repugnant :)

also i am about to eat so this conversation never happened.

jbelson · Post by **jbelson** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:44 pm

Seeing as I find the enjoyment of food very important in my life, I ate great every single meal. Plenty of meat, marinated and frozen before hand. And other dishes prepared in individual meal pouches as to not spoil a whole weeks worth of food by one opening.
However, next time, I will not bring bacon! Way too much greese. The thought of pouring it out in a gragage bag and having it rip in my car on the way home was a monkey on my back all weekend. Also this year I brought plastic plates. Wont do it again, washing is a pain and they never get really clean. I figure paper plates. Just scrape them clean and they can be burned.

A thought: Food is our strongest driving force. It's instinctual. So it puzzles me how people are so oblivious as to their need for it that they only bring a bag of weiners to mix with dirt.
There is nothing more satisfying than a good meal, especially after sex!

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:53 pm

ramen wrote: I think I go better a la carte with an impertinent Merlot.

I've found that they respond well to a sound spanking and low corkage fees.

blyslv · Post by **blyslv** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:01 pm

Not at the playa, but cold chilli straight from the can is not in my future.

Can someone explain why vegetarians still seem to engender so much ire and hostility from carnivores? I don't get it.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:41 pm

Can someone explain why vegetarians still seem to engender so much ire and hostility from carnivores? I don't get it.

I think it has a lot to do with stereotypes and the actions of a few fuckwits.

More than meat eaters I think there's a vocal few who tend to be judgemental, condescending and more than a bit holier-than-thou around their choice to not ingest meat. Nowhere in my experiences is this more true than here in California.

I eat meat. I love meat. But I also have dear friends who are more in Olivia's camp than my own as far as nutritional uptake goes. I honor than when it comes to prepping meals alongside such people. It's not hard and it's not a problem. I think what's being skirted here - at lest I haven't noticed - is that in an encampment where you have such a diverse group of people with differing dietary habitsand needs it should all be made very, VERY clear to all involved what those specific needs are prior to hitting the playa. If people can't adhere to such requests then they should say the hell out of the kitchen.

J · Post by J » Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:51 pm

I cooked for awhile professionally, went to college for it, vegetarians weren't so bad. Vegans were a pain in the ass (sorry if i offend). I believe most carnivores get annoyed (angered?) by vegitarians because the first contact most of us had were the uninformed girls between the ages of 12 and 16, who think that because kittens are cute and they are animals eating meat is bad. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of every argument that I ever heard until I was almost 20. and still occasionally hear.

J

olivia · Post by **olivia** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:00 pm

Badger wrote:I think what's being skirted here - at lest I haven't noticed - is that in an encampment where you have such a diverse group of people with differing dietary habitsand needs it should all be made very, VERY clear to all involved what those specific needs are prior to hitting the playa. If people can't adhere to such requests then they should say the hell out of the kitchen.

word! from what i can discern, the people in question shared cooking implements with the omnis all week without complaint and then requested a change for next year. i think that's pretty sporting. they could have bitched and moaned all week, but it seems like they just made a request for next year at the end. if it's such a big problem, why not just let them know and they can make other arrangements? us vegans are used to having to do things the hard way, y'know :)

the rabid "you boiled my bunny" vegans and veggies give us all a bad name. i think most people go through some kind of rabid phase when you switch diets, not necessarily harassing other people for their choices but just wanting to talk about it A LOT. it passes, but no one ever forgets that stage!

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I don't like shit, or creem of corn!