Laudanum Bars?

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:33 pm

As posted by myself just after last year's burn -

"Absinthe bars have been done to death - I think it's time to bring out the Laudanum bars. Who's with me on this one? Perhaps it would have to be discreet to avoid the law enforcement though.
I for one will be sure to include a bottle or two of laudanum for the folks. It's time to once again make opium the opiate of the masses!"

But there were no replies!! Am I wrong here? When I typed that up last year I had money - now I'm beyond broke. The 'handle' of laudanum I had planned will likely turn out to be a tincture bottle of laudanum at best. That's NO GOOD. I'm serious here - sure maybe it was a better idea for "Beyond Belief", it could have been "Beyond Absinthe". But it's still a good idea. . .

Clownsuit · Post by **Clownsuit** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:27 pm

I'm all for laudenum bars. Or for Hydromorphone dessert squares. Opium cookies? Hydrocodone hours d'vours? Did I spell that correctly? Heroin pudding? etc etc

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:02 am

I was just thinking of the classics, but I'm willing to try something new. And I do like puddin'. But I don't know. Those other ideas seem OK but with laudanum you get that synergistic (deadly?) rush of alcohol as well as the potential for a whole bar theme which is always so popular.

I got to go to bed. I'm just moments away from tapping the mouse button to find the summer selects at my door on Monday.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:00 am

If Megavolt were coming this year, you could just get some quick EST.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:14 am

LEOs do read this board. Precisely to find stuff like this thread.

dragonfly Jafe · Post by **dragonfly Jafe** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:36 am

Adrenochrome is where it is at! Let's have one of those bars. Of course, it would require a ready supply of fresh adrenal glands. Anyone have a black helicopter available for a few hours each day?

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:20 pm

dragonfly Jafe wrote:Adrenochrome is where it is at! Let's have one of those bars. Of course, it would require a ready supply of fresh adrenal glands. Anyone have a black helicopter available for a few hours each day?

Not without a strap-on lizard tail, some dark sunglasses, a big knife and several grapefruits. And ten portraits of Barbara Streisand.

the_iconoclast · Post by **the_iconoclast** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 6:09 pm

robotland wrote:If Megavolt were coming this year, you could just get some quick EST.

Megavolt isn't coming? (OT sorry)

Chai Guy · Post by **Chai Guy** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:46 pm

it would have to be discreet to avoid the law enforcement though

Yeah, way to fly low and avoid the radar there chief.

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:11 am

Well, let me point the LEO's in the right direction - ebay is now the official 'opium gray market for the masses'. It's always best to go after the suppliers first. And really, if the cops wanted to seriously go after online opiate users- wouldn't it be a good idea to focus on the websites that particulary cater to these people?
I'm curious as to what the LEO's would do when they found this thread. Try to PM me to get incriminating evidence? Just come bust my door down? Follow me to the playa and track my movements?
And you don't have to worry - my lack of income will prevent me from bringing any laudanum. Just thought it might be a good idea. Not that I would sponsor or encourage any illicit drug use.

And robotland, what's EST? Extra Special Tea?

Peacekeeper · Post by **Peacekeeper** » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:31 pm

Memo to Laudanum Country,

The UN UNsecurity Council will be sending a strongly worded letter to all those involved in Turn-of-the-Century Chinese Theatre Activities. Prepare for sanctions yo. We refer you to UNsecurity Council Resolution 1904;

" 1. The Secretary blah blah blah...

2. Furthermore etc. etc. etc....

3. ...Sanctions all round."

As you can see, UN policy on this matter is abundantly clear, do not expect pity, clarity, or abbrev.

Memo ends.

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:20 am

solaritea wrote:And robotland, what's EST? Extra Special Tea?

Electroshock Therapy. Or Evil Spud Taster. Extra Sharp Tongue. Elfin Snack Toast. Eleven-Toed Slackmaster. Enemy Shoe Tappper. Exciting Scar Tissue. Every Second Tuesday. Endo-Specular Tickling. Ex- Snake Trapper. Egg- Sucking Troglodyte.

And to answer Icono- Megavolt has a statement on his site indicating displeasure with the direction that the event is heading in....and that he intends to take this year off....
http://www.drmegavolt.com/underpages/in ... ances.html

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:20 am

solaritea wrote: I'm curious as to what the LEO's would do when they found this thread.

Use it to argue for more law enforcement presence at teh event and bigger budgets to pry with?

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:11 pm

All right! Please, no one bring any absinthe or laudanum! I didn't realize how terribly this idea would impact the event! I just wonder if there's time to apply for a State of Nevada liquor license so I can serve a proper drug while remaining within the confines of the law. I'll cancel the kava too - they haven't banned it yet but the FDA has warned against it. Hmm, someone recommended blue lotus but that may have apomorphine as an active ingredient. Not scheduled but is it an illicit analogue? Shoot, I better cancel the ice tea and biscuts too unless I can get that food and beverage license. And no massages this year as I haven't received my CMT certificate quite yet. And I'll be just two classes away! I could set up one of those advice booths but isn't that like psychology? That won't work. Oh! I know! I'll see if I can sign up to be a police explorer to help maintain the law. That will make me smile. :)

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:45 pm

Maybe just skip the drama, take a clue, and consider any idea that involves openly giving away a Schedule II drug in the middle of a 35,000+ event just might garner the attention of law enforcement personnel.

I'm surprised more folks here haven't opened you up like a fucking Christmas present with such a clueless post to a public bulletin board.

You're a fool.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:41 am

Absinthe or laudanum is one thing as it's not legal. But several of the other things you described are legitimate, and your response was like a little kid being told he couldn't do one thing so he takes his toys and leaves the sandbox. You may want to rethink your approach...bring some of the things you mentioned that are legal, limit who you share them with and be done with it. There are other camps and people gifting food, massages, etc. They found a way to comply and still have fun, you can too.

And as for the last post from our friend in khaki:

I'm surprised more folks here haven't opened you up like a fucking Christmas present with such a clueless post to a public bulletin board.
You're a fool.

There's no need to be that harsh about it. Simply remember that the eplaya has a wider audience than you expect and LEO's certainly check the board out. Don't give them ammunition to shoot the event with. The rest comes down to common sense...you have that, put it to use and you'll find a way to make what you want happen.

(Pssst: Badger....making a public spectacle out of something / someone ((while sometimes effective)) is not always the best way to get the point across!) </soapbox>

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:54 pm

hhmmm. OK, while I've haven't been going to bm for "XX" years like some people, I've been going long enough that I remember when there was far less law enforcement. Last year it seemed to me that there was a plethora of absinthe bars and that many were taking no precautions to hide or disguise themselves. Now I realize that is a risk and hopefully these people were aware of the risk they were taking.
And as I previously stated I realize there is a difference between the legal status of absinth and laudanum. But last year, specifically on 9/5/04, just as I was headed to an absinthe bar, I was witness to an exchange of an alcohol free laudanum-type substance. It seemed like a great idea at the time and it still seems like a good (although certainly risky) idea. Now although I mentioned a "laudanum bar", I never really pictured this as taking place in a bar. For one thing the usual bar environment is not right and for another it seems that a dedicated site poses more risks than a travelling laudanum dispensary. And oh! That brings up the possibilities of an old time "cure-all" salesman travelling around the wild west. But anyways . . .
So by bringing up the other things - the liquor license, the restrictions on more and more plants - perhaps I was just trying to draw a parallel between the greater restrictions being placed on society as a whole to the greater restrictions being placed on Burning Man participants?
OK, and one last thing. It is certainly not a good thing to encourage more law enforcment presence at bm. But it's not like they were unaware of drug activity happening. And as I'm sure you are aware, there are whole forums that are dedicated solely to drug use. Even whole forums dedicated to methamphetamine manufacturing.

And don't worry - being a public spectacle can be fun. (OK, one last tangent - I once had to work at Wal-mart for a short time to pay the bills. There was a pre-employment pyschological test and the one question I got wrong was that I answered that I was 'strongly against making a public spectacle of employees who shoplift'. I actually had to change my answer to being for this in order to get the job.

)

Clownsuit · Post by **Clownsuit** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:57 pm

Maybe just skip the drama, take a clue, and consider any idea that involves openly giving away a Schedule II drug in the middle of a 35,000+ event just might garner the attention of law enforcement personnel.

I'm surprised more folks here haven't opened you up like a fucking Christmas present with such a clueless post to a public bulletin board.

You're a fool.

Yes, of course. Referencing an absurd idea regarding giving away an obscure beverage at a relatively obscure event (in the LEO mind) certainly requires the use of childish name calling.

The vast, VAST majority of LEOs have no idea what laudenum is. An even greater percentage have absolutely no way of ever finding out. An even greater percentage don't care even if they do find out.

BTW, absinthe is illegal to distribute in the US as well. He was making a comparison between the two. I've been around several actual absinthe BARS on the playa. Yet, no LEO presence.

I believe that Solaritea was making a whimsical suggestion that was mostly intended to be a topic for discussion instead of a serious proposal. But, it seems to have gotten hijacked by people with more need to heap scorn on others than have a laugh and add something interesting to a conversation.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:34 pm

The vast, VAST majority of LEOs have no idea what laudenum is. An even greater percentage have absolutely no way of ever finding out. An even greater percentage don't care even if they do find out.

Cites?

solaritea · Post by **solaritea** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:01 pm

Clownsuit wrote:I believe that Solaritea was making a whimsical suggestion that was mostly intended to be a topic for discussion instead of a serious proposal.

Well maybe. or maybe I just wanted some free laudanum.

Now laudanum isn't too popular - too much prep work. But growing your own opium has become more popular amongst certain segments of society. And how about cites of cases involving growing or selling poppy straw? Not too many out there.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:03 pm

The vast, VAST majority of LEOs have no idea what laudenum is. An even greater percentage have absolutely no way of ever finding out. An even greater percentage don't care even if they do find out.

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Bullfuckinshit

Isotopia · Post by **Isotopia** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:29 pm

Bullfuckinshit

Thank you. Was gonna say the same thing but didn't want to be accused of picking on clowns.

Clownsuit · Post by **Clownsuit** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 3:15 am

Cites?

Bullfuckinshit

Thank you. Was gonna say the same thing but didn't want to be accused of picking on clowns.

Well, for one, my brother is a state trooper, and I've been many, many gatherings of his bretherin, both professionally and socially. There, I've discussed at length drugs, drug law, corrections, law enforcement tactics, seizure, 4th amendment law, etc etc. I'm very opinionated on the subject, as you may have noticed. Most LEO's are woefully undereducated about anything off the standard chart of drugs of abuse. Hell, I've had to educate doctors about quite a few recreational pharmacueticals. My career in pharmacueticals has also spanned a couple of decades.

Unless we happen to be in Victorian England, most people have never heard of laudanum. There aren't exactly dealers on the corner of hawking little silver bottles of laudanum in cockney accents.

I seem to recall Helitack speaking jokingly about harming various burners who get out of line at kamp apokaliptica. Don't you know assault is illegal? The LEO's watch this forum, don'tchaknow. You're going to get burning man shut down. blah blah blah.

Some people just need to wear their tinfoil hats and wait for people who are actually endangering burning man. Then, continue with your oh so effective berating.

Then again, that's just my opinion

robotland · Post by **robotland** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:44 am

Absinthe maketh the heart grow fonder. Thee you thoon.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:54 am

robotland wrote:Absinthe maketh the heart grow fonder. Thee you thoon.

HaHaHaHa!
Well thed my friend !!@!

Post by **AntiM** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:08 am

Arcane nitpick: techincally, laudanum is not a beverage, it is a tincture, quite unpalatable. There's much to be done to make it drinakable, never mind tasty.

Queen of the fussy and the obscure, over and out.

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:53 am

There's much to be done to make it drinakable, never mind tasty.

Maybe you missed the scene from the movie From Hell with Johnny Depp. There's a scene where he lays in his bathtub and makes a cocktail of absinthe and drizzles the sugar cube with laudanum then lights it so it slowly melts into the drink.

Pretty arresting scene.

http://www.metrotimes.com/sb/56556/Depp-FromHell3.jpg

Lassen Forge · Post by **Lassen Forge** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:17 am

AND maybe you missed that one of the lead female roles in one of the biggest TV hits the past year or so (Emma Garrett in Deadwood) was a Laudinum addict, and the other (Trixie) is a recovering addict, as were a lot of people back then.

IF you think LEO's don't know what it is, you're seriously mistaken. No, in fact, if you're of that belief, you gotta be (pardon the vulgarity) fucking crazy. ESPECIALLY since you mentioned it on a list and topic I can pretty much guarantee they're monitoring. Further... My ex- was in Law Enforcement. I know a god-awful lot of LEO's. That's their job, to know this stuff - and all the ones I know of - do.

Add to this Pershing County S.O. has basically said this year they're cracking down hard on bars for underage drinking - bet if you have a bar and have, um, "illegal activities" going on you'll get the free tour to Lovelock, and prolly get your camp shut down.

Is it worth it? You tell me. IF you like to spend your time in BRC dealing with LEO's, getting your camp raided and getting you and your campmates hauled off go right ahead and publicise how you plan on having a bar that serves Absinthe or Laudinum tinctures (yeech) or opiates or any other controlled or prohibited substance.

If nothing else, by posting this highly stupid and irresponsible "request", if they somehow *didn't* know... they do now, and will be watching *all* of us that much closer. Thanks a lot.

BBS

Nightterror · Post by **Nightterror** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:07 am

Hypothetically speaking - the palatableness of the tincture depends greatly on the source. Whereas I could only suppose that dried buds give off a nasty bitter flavor as opposed to pure powder which does not. I would imagine. And then who would waste pure powder on a tincture.

This information was just a dream I had at night awhile ago. I know not anything about this.

Thanks

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:17 am

Not to spread any paranoia but look at the basic stats for this thread: 28 posts, 330 page views, and it has "star" status. Someone's sure paying attention to the thread. So are there any LEO's out there that would care to speak up?

Crickets chirping......Hmmmm.

We now return to our regular programming already in progress.

Laudanum Bars?

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I'm not picky. . .

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i surrender!