Disinfecting grey water?

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Disinfecting grey water?

Post by phil » Sat Jul 30, 2005 11:19 am

From yesterday's Jack Rabbit Speaks:
- Or if you're in a very small camp, with minimal dish and body-washing water, you might choose to pour your grey water through a filter or sieve (better, a paint sieve or even pantyhose), disinfect the water, then, since it is treated, disperse it on your street to keep down dust.
So anyone have an idea on how to disinfect grey water? I suggested iodine or bleach to Louise who opined that those would not be acceptable on the playa.

By the way, I'll use milk filters instead of pantyhose:
http://www.usahardware.com/inet/shop/it ... g/d110.htm
They're made to remove particulates and for fast filtering. The ones you don't use can be turned into antebellum skirts for your Barbie toilet roll covers.

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Post by Martiansky » Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:07 pm

We were chatting a bit about the grey water topic last night in the Bar thread.

What do they want you to use for "disinfecting" the water then if not bleach?

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Post by unjonharley » Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:51 pm

I use a bucket to like things settel to the bottom over night. Add bleach at this time. Set the bucket in the sun. The sun will draw the bleach. Your nose will be your guide. No more bleach smell, no more bleach. Draw off the top clear water leave the stuff in the bottom. OR settel in on bucket and bleach in another is best. Small camps will end up with a half bucket of yuk per person. TAke IT home with you. Soak your feet in it while resting out of the afternoon sun.
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Post by phil » Sat Jul 30, 2005 6:25 pm

What do they want you to use for "disinfecting" the water
Beats me. I wish they'd said. unjonharley's got one idea, so maybe we'll go with that -- but filter first, then add bleach to the filtered water, let stand, and then just toss it in the air onto the street after the odor of chlorine is gone.

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Post by unjonharley » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:24 pm

phil wrote:
What do they want you to use for "disinfecting" the water
Beats me. I wish they'd said. unjonharley's got one idea, so maybe we'll go with that -- but filter first, then add bleach to the filtered water, let stand, and then just toss it in the air onto the street after the odor of chlorine is gone.


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Sorry I did not mention the filter first. I use paint filters 2¢per. Dry the filter and take it home WIth! you. I use some of the water to wash my feet and clean used food containers. Wet a bath towel and hang it over the bucket. Put it near you while you chill in the heat. A small wind helps keep a area misted.
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Post by Kinetic IV » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:51 pm

MIOX: Effective....if you don't have a lot of water and are willing to wait until eternity to purify it. And it's too fragile in my opinion, I've already broke 2.
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Post by Chai Guy » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:15 pm

Dwell times
Viruses, bacteria: 15 min.
Giardia: 30 min.
Cryptosporidium: 4 hrs.


Each dose will treat anywhere from 1/2 liter up to a gallon of water.

The device operates by converting a brine solution to a mixed-oxidant solution via electrolysis. Each purifier utilizes two 3V lithium camera batteries, common salt and a tiny electrolytic cell. The purifier will treat approximately 200 liters of water on one set of batteries. The purifier can be used over and over, making water treatment an inexpensive procedure after the initial purchase.

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Post by Kinetic IV » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:25 pm

You can have the MIOX, I'll stick with the good old tried and true MSR Waterworks. http://www.msrcorp.com/filters/waterworks_ex.asp

It's one of a couple things I absolutely flat refuse to go camping or kayaking without like my Gerber axe. I can count on it to get the job done without fail.
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Post by phil » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:27 pm

... making water treatment an inexpensive procedure after the initial purchase.
A hundred and thirty bucks, MSRP.

I'm thinking pouring clorox in the bucket of filtered water is the way to go.

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Post by Badger » Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:49 pm

I'm thinking pouring clorox in the bucket of filtered water is the way to go.
I'm thinking that for a large volume of grey water that Clorox is absolutely the way to go. Do't over do it though. A cup of the stuff goes a l o n g way.
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Post by unjonharley » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:44 am

Badger wrote:
I'm thinking pouring clorox in the bucket of filtered water is the way to go.
I'm thinking that for a large volume of grey water that Clorox is absolutely the way to go. Do't over do it though. A cup of the stuff goes a l o n g way.


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Make that 4oz.or less for 5gal.. One 0z. to two gal for counter and utinsels. Read the instructions on the cotaner. ok?
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Post by unjonharley » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:52 am

I have a ceramic filter with a pump. Makes one oz of water per pull. 16 pulls per qt. 64 per gal. The pump and container is about the size of a drink bottle. Great if your only waters is an unknown source.
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Post by Martiansky » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:53 am

Bleach is what they clean the "Water Buffaloes" the military uses for hauling potable water with, too. We found that out too quickly when someone forgot to change a hose(or something) on one of them and we were drinking bleach flavored water! Bleh!
So, if we have grey water form say showering and we filter it out and then add some bleach....it's really ok to spray on the road for dust abatement?
If you filter your grey water through a coffee filter and then tie the filter up with a string, you could hang it to dry, would be lighter then for hauling away.

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Post by unjonharley » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:04 am

Martiansky wrote:Bleach is what they clean the "Water Buffaloes" the military uses for hauling potable water with, too. We found that out too quickly when someone forgot to change a hose(or something) on one of them and we were drinking bleach flavored water! Bleh!
So, if we have grey water form say showering and we filter it out and then add some bleach....it's really ok to spray on the road for dust abatement?
If you filter your grey water through a coffee filter and then tie the filter up with a string, you could hang it to dry, would be lighter then for hauling away.


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You will find that filters of any kind don't last for zip. That playa dust is sticky. I have found that settleing out water is my bet way. A 5gal.bucket per person dosen't take up much space when stacked. DRy the much on an old face towel to lighten your outward trip.
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Post by Martiansky » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:10 am

Can we really then spray it on the Playa though after filtering and disinfecting it?

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Post by unjonharley » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:21 am

Martiansky wrote:Can we really then spray it on the Playa though after filtering and disinfecting it?


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That was the instructions in the Jackrabbit Speaks. It's an effort to keep our city clean and in tune with the BLM. We rent from the BLM and our contract/renal agreement is up for renewal for 2006.
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Post by robotland » Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:29 am

I'm hoping to bring out a big filtering contraption that I salvaged, complete with brand-new filter cannisters, from my workplace....Should be more than adequate for processing greywater before the bleach step. I'll have it set up in Hushville for public use. (Note to self: Remember to bring watering can.)
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Post by phil » Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:40 am

Can we really then spray it on the Playa though after filtering and disinfecting it?
That's a direct quote from the JRS. They recommend sprinkling the treated water on the street to keep dust down.

This is the current issue, and it's not archived yet at
http://www.burningman.com/blackrockcity ... index.html
but check back every now and then to see when they post it online. I'm going to print out a few copies of that article to keep on hand when the playapolice start yelling at me about how I dispose of my grey water. :->

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Precipitating the contaminants

Post by nollij » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:56 pm

In 2003, some folks (one who happens to be someone I went to high school with) brought out the Freshmakkur, a rather complicated way of purifying their grey water. Their website is : http://www.freshmakkur.org/tech.html . Their whole system is too elaborate for most camps b/c most people don't intend to reingest their water. HOWEVER, their tips on deflocculating are invaluable: I used alum last year to precipitate out much of the nastiness from our kitchen grey water before putting it in our evap pond. Filtering the shower water is tougher in that it is usually generated in much higher volumes so therefore harder to manage. Fortunately, it's generally lower in the VOC's than kitchen dish water, so it tends to stink less. You can still do it, you just have to find a way to capture the shower water (a sump pump would work well for this: I have one that runs on D Batteries, and I know they also come in 12 volt models that can be run off a car battery).

If you want to hurry up the process after putting bleach in the water and waiting the prescribed amount of time, you can pour your water slowly through GAC (granular activated carbon) You most commonly see this in those Brita filters, but it's only a tiny amount (hence the reason they don't LAST very long). GAC removes the bleach and also many VOC's from the water. The easiest way to do it would be to purchase loose GAC from someone (you could try Orchard or Home Desperate, or my choice since I worked there, U.S Pure Water Corp. in Novato, CA) and fill the bottom half of a bucket with it. You could put a hole in the bottom with a fitting and a ball valve so that you can empty from the bottom. you would also need a fine mesh (think window screen) lining the bottom. Even this may be too much for most camps so of course you can just wait for the chlorine to decompose in the sunlight. I've been working on ideas for this for 2 years now, am still struggling with balancing the work load vs. running around having fun dilemma. The more processing you do to the water, the less time you have for "fun", but it makes me feel better about strict adherence to LNT...

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Post by phil » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:10 pm

am still struggling with balancing the work load vs. running around having fun dilemma. The more processing you do to the water, the less time you have for "fun"
I'm with you there. That's why my back up plan is to just gel the water and bring it back for disposal. Got my absorbant crystals in the mail the other week.

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Post by dragonfly Jafe » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:31 pm

I think they may have been refering at least in part to a shower system called "Entomo" built by a friend of mine. Here is a link to the BRG article;

http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... f_thur.pdf

He uses a series of filters to eliminate each type of contamination. Unfortunately he doesn't like to bring it anymore due to the effort involved in keeping it going...

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