based on the new city map-

[keepercurrent]

Where does the sun rise and set, in relation to the clock? Anyone please?
I'm remembering it rising at about 1, and setting at about 7! Would like some feedback on this" if'n ya wanna"? Thanks

[Ron]

Based on my memory the sun rises roughtly at 1:00 and sets roughly at 7:00. I think. Anyone else know for sure? I've been trying to figure this out for planning purposes as well...

Ron

[Tiahaar]

Hey yes a Stonehenge marker system so if you stand right under the Man you can look at an obilisk and know that that's where the sun will be rising/setting that week would be great. Does the 1 & 7 estimate mean that the noontime radial is skewed more east of due south, say 4:15 ish?

[Badger]

Where does the sun rise and set, in relation to the clock? Anyone please?
I'm remembering it rising at about 1, and setting at about 7! Would like some feedback on this" if'n ya wanna"? Thanks

<secret hint: earth.google.com>

or

[maps.google.com]

but...

all is *not* what it seems.

Ask the right question - the right answer replies.....

but....

[phil]

I'm sorry to say I've only cared where it sets: about 285 degrees on your compass.

If you want to know where it sets vis-a-vis the clock, doesn't it matter where on the face of the clock you're standing? Or am I confused.

[LeChatNoir]

Where does the sun rise and set, in relation to the clock?

Last year we were camped about 7:15 and the sun sank, as I remember, right about there, maybe slightly more towards 7:30. Looking at the city map seems to confirm this memory... although placing it somewhere around Ridiculous this year.

North is pretty much a line from Inspired through The Man.

http://www.burningman.com/whatisburning ... rc_map.gif

[gladeye]

This is a bit of a tangent, but still maybe interesting. I don't know if they do it every year, but I recall at least one year where the man himself is placed in a way that you can see the sun rise up in the middle of his legs and rise up through the middle of his body, from 6:00(?).

Anyone else know anything about the man's placement in relation to anything celestial?

[robotland]

I noticed last year that The Man happens to be DIRECTLY above the center of the Earth.

[unjonharley]

I noticed last year that The Man happens to be DIRECTLY above the center of the Earth.

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Yeah, They got it right for once. Just woundering what kind of sun screen he uses?

[HughMungus]

Been wondering this myself to maximize shade.

This complicated website has sunrise and sunset directions but I haven't had enough coffee yet to figure it out.

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/an ... tabel.html

[unjonharley]

Been wondering this myself to maximize shade.

This complicated website has sunrise and sunset directions but I haven't had enough coffee yet to figure it out.

http://www.astro.uu.nl/~strous/AA/en/an ... tabel.html

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The hell you beller, I strike camp and reset before I use that.

[_fool]

so now i know where my tent-shade will face, but i still need to figure out my tent--i like to place the door in the lee of the wind. can someone remind me of the prevailing wind direction (which as i recall was fairly consistent in the same direction last time i was out there?)

[HughMungus]

I just tried to figure this out again. I *think* that this means that if you're facing SOUTH that the sun will rise 75 degrees to the east and set 82 degrees to the west. Let's just say about 2 and 7. Note that this is because the map has to be rotated to north (as it is below).

I should really know this stuff.

[sputnik]

I ganked this little bit of a graphic off SafetyThird's map from last year. Looks about right to me. Compare this with your map and it'll tell you all you need to know.

[HughMungus]

I saw a similar map on someone else's website but I didn't understand how if we're in the northern hemisphere that the sun can rise towards the NORTH. I thought that if you're in the northern hemisphere that the sun is "to the south" such that it could never rise about the east/west line...?

[sputnik]

Dallas,

I've rotated the graphic so the North arrow is at the top.

In response to your other question, the answer is no. In fact, the farther north you go in the summer, the farther north the sun rises and sets due to the tilt of the axis. In fact, once you get above the arctic circle the sun never sets for some period of time. At the equator the sun rises directly east and sets directly west on the autumnal and vernal equinoxes.

[theCryptofishist]

but above the tropic of capricorn the sun never gets directly ahead? or is tha cancer. And then the opposite for the southern hemisphere?

[unjonharley]

I sent up a pilot balloon the wind in the morning change directions every ten feet. Even when it's calm on the surface. That's one of the reason you don't see hot air balloons out there. Any take off would be hi risk. I did notice the wind blew hard from 360° in a 24 hours day.
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ps Battel Creek Mich. has shit winds for ballooning too. Hi wind take offs. Then no wind at any level. All you can do is go up or down. Down is not always a good thing. Over at that robot mans Zoo we managed to take a water skier in tow. That was a trip. Put the basket about two foot into the water to pick up the tow line.

[HughMungus]

Dallas,

I've rotated the graphic so the North arrow is at the top.

In response to your other question, the answer is no. In fact, the farther north you go in the summer, the farther north the sun rises and sets due to the tilt of the axis. In fact, once you get above the arctic circle the sun never sets for some period of time. At the equator the sun rises directly east and sets directly west on the autumnal and vernal equinoxes.

Ah. Maybe I was thinking of winter, not summer. Anyway, I did find this cool calculator for the direction of the sun at certain times of day. I'm getting 75.9 degrees for sunrise and 284.3 degrees for sunset which jives with S3's image.

http://hia-iha.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/sunrise_adv_e.html

Use the bottom one, enter 119 and 40 for BRC, and make sure you pick "sun angles".

Here's another image I found which is overlaid onto an old BRC map which I guess is right after all (white lines being sunrise, yellow lines being sunset).

[_fool]

Thanks sputnik! looks like my door will be facing into my shade structure (which is basically a lean-to made of aluminet). i'll see i'll have to work it a little to keep the cloth from being perpendicular to the wind though...

[phil]

can someone remind me of the prevailing wind direction

Generally it blows out of Gerlach toward the open playa, with the mountains on either side of our camping are acting to funnel the wind into _my_ personal tent. :-) So leeward is away from Gerlach.

[Tiahaar]

Ah. Maybe I was thinking of winter, not summer.

Wow, that sun angle thing is more complicated than it appears at first glance...and hey I was tripped up by that sun rise/set North of true east/west thing too...geez...I was confusing that with the sun being due south at midday in the NH, the further north the lower in the sky it is thing.

Love the maps!

[stuart]

the further north the lower in the sky it is thing

this is accurate.

The tropic lines designate the spot furthest north and furthest south on the globe where the sun is directly overhead during the respective equinoxes. Outside of these regions the sun is never overhead. The arctic lines represent the regions where 24 hours of light is possible.

[chrispburn]

our camp has used the simple guide of 7:30 as west, and 4:30 as south
and the prevailing wind from the south west -06:00

and true, the wind does blow in all directions. but if you're trying to pick which way to orient your camp, it's also a good idea to face away from the 6: 00 area, since that is the entrance gate. But then again, everything from 5:30 to 10:00 is in the path of the vehicle traffic, from the moment cars leave the pavement.

and as far as sunrise goes, I remember watching it rise just to the left of the big peak, a few hilltops over.

[HughMungus]

if you're trying to pick which way to orient your camp, it's also a good idea to face away from the 6: 00 area

Good point (dust).

[keepercurrent]

Thankyou everyone! This was really a fun thread with a fun response!
I adored the maps! See ya all on the playa VERY soon, where we'll know for sure, what up with the sun and the wind! Until then I must believe that the man has been oriented and placed, in direct alignment with the Galactic Center of our universe! Teehee!

[Tiahaar]

At the equator the sun rises directly east and sets directly west on the autumnal and vernal equinoxes.

Yes and at that time for every other place on the globe too (if you could see the true horizon). The equater is special because at those times of the year the sun comes straight up and is also directly overhead at midday. I finally got my head around this (if I ever knew this for sure I've forgotten about it heheh) and will try a summary:

Looking now just at the northern hemisphere, at the spring equinox the sun rises/sets directly east/west. As you progress to the summer solstice the sun rises/sets progressively further northwards until the maximum is reached on the solstice day (never setting at all above the arctic circle like Stuart and Sputnik pointed out). Then the sun moves back to where at the fall equinox it is again rising/setting due east/west.

Then like DP was thinking after the fall equinox the sun does move progressively south of due east/west at rise/set until the maximum southerly rise/set is reached on the winter solstice (with the sun never rising at all above the arctic circle). Then the cycle starts over of course.

So if we were on the playa Sept 22 on the equinox and if we could see the true horizon we would see the true east/west rise/set of the sun. The mountains throw another wrinkle into the mess because the sun will be moving at an angle to bisect the sky south of directly overhead of course.

And I am darn glad I can quit puzzling this out now. My Head Hurts!