The British Are Nothing More Than Racist Pigs?....

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:17 pm

A Black teenager in London was killed yesterday, the youngster was found with a Hatchet embeded in his head. The shock I think is so barbaric as to not be imaginable. Why would it shock me that there are Racist British? I don't know, maybe it's all that "for Queen and Empire" drama they always spew, and the honorable holier than thou attitude that they always seem to have, both black and white. I personally never thought of them as seperate in a racial sort of way. When a person speaks to me and I recognize a English (not Australian or even South African, they are totally different, if you didn't know) accent I general think of the likes of Walter Pidgeon and other great film stars who always portyraied the British as Stand-up, honorable blokes, and who will totally go to the mat for Queen and fellow Brit alike. I guess their just like America.

sadly,
the rebbi

stuart · Post by **stuart** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:24 pm

what is racism? It's a sweeping generalization about a sub-group of humans

here, let me give you an example

The British Are Nothing More Than Racist Pigs?....

Nightterror · Post by **Nightterror** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:26 pm

Nice post Jimmy!

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:40 pm

The shock is barbaric?

Rwanda, Darfur, Pol Pot's purges (the crime of Genocide)....now stuff like that is "barbaric", what you described is simply murder.

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:12 pm

Long search for justice for Lawrence family ends

11 years ago... LRB... 11 years ago.

and i am really puzzled why you think this is news when a quick search on the newspapers search engine found

You searched for "white youths murder black teenager"
We have found about 5226 articles on the Mail online.

i consider this thread without cites from the originator to fan the flames of ignorance and creating much heat yet shedding very little light on the subject.

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:34 pm

Ever consider that humans are basically violent. We fight over resources, territory, gods, money, mates etc. Been occuring since forever.

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:38 pm

Uh, I'm confused...(more so than normal). First I followed Joel's link and found this.

April 22 1993: Stephen Lawrence was stabbed to death in an unprovoked racist attack by a gang of white youths as he waited at a bus stop in Eltham, south east London, with friend Duwayne Brooks.

Then LRB posted:
A Black teenager in London was killed yesterday, the youngster was found with a Hatchet embeded in his head.

You stab with a knife, you don't stab with a hatchet..well I guess you could but the point is I think we're talking two different things here. And LRB, where did you hear about or read this story? I've got a pretty good selection of search tools and resources over here...I didn't find the hatchet story. And usually I catch stuff like that in my morning roundup that I do. Before the flames start roaring perhaps some "Cite" checking is in order?

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:38 pm

fwiw: Black in britain, tends to mean Indian or Pakistani not African descent.
My sister lives in a little village outside Manchester called Oldham. Google it to find out about thier race riots a few years back. Again, british v. pakistani.
She actually teaches English as a Second Language to former textile workers. They were brought into the country in the 50s 60s and maybe later. Typically, the foreman would learn English and translate for the rest of the workers. As the British textile sector collapsed for much the same reasons ours did, these people were put out of work. Now they are on the dole and competing agains natives for low level jobs. A lot of the tension may have something to do with rising tides swamping leaky boats. Or no rise in the tide at all. Economic stress tends to bring out the worst in those sorts of tensions.
And have none of you seem My Beautiful Landrette? (I don't know how much racism was in Bend it like Beckham as I didn't see that.) Or read Kipling?

helitack · Post by **helitack** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:52 pm

Hence:

helitack wrote:Ever consider that humans are basically violent. We fight over resources, territory, gods, money, mates etc. Been occuring since forever.

MoisturePup · Post by **MoisturePup** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:07 pm

why are any of us surprised by racism? It's the default instinct that we're born with. Education is the only thing that can stop it.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:12 pm

Actually, I thought the default was fear of stranger and that racism was a form of that. And that "race" is in fact a construct made from that--a way of designating and recognizing the stranger.

geekster · Post by **geekster** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:18 pm

Maybe we can combine this thread with the XXX activity around kids thread and call it:

The britsh are cumming! The british are cumming!

The problem I have is the statement "The British Are ..."

At least one british is, maybe even a group of british are, but not all. Osama claims that when a non-Muslim sets foot in Saudi Arabia, they "defile" the land of the holy places and should be kept out at any cost. And if they should set foot there, they should be killed. Osama is a Muslim, he has some people that buy into his "logic". So therefore, Muslims are nothing more than a bunch of racist pigs, right?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:35 pm

six hours have passed since i read and responded to this thread...

and after what i have read, i wonder to myself.... what was the original intent of creating the thread?

i know that stopping racism and racist related violence, and violence in general requires education about humanty's equality at a very basic level (that is to say as children)... unfortunately, we, as society, don't act on out best intentions and/or beliefs.

is all of Great Britain racist because of felonious acts of a few?

personally, i tend to give the benefit of the doubt, and don't engage in absolutes.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 5:57 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 736275.stm

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:03 pm

The original heading for this thread was a question. And it appears the answer is no. They have already caught most of those responsible and the tributes and out pourings seem to have come from every consevable place and persons in the UK. My faith in the true blue british is once again restored.

happily,
the rebbi

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:11 pm

LRB, thank you for the link.

Last Real Burner · Post by **Last Real Burner** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:12 pm

joel the ornery wrote:and after what i have read, i wonder to myself.... what was the original intent of creating the thread?

to incite open discussion based on facts and opinions.

most likely,
the rebbi

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:45 pm

Rob the Wop · Post by **Rob the Wop** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 7:45 pm

Personally, I think that the British racing pigs is an absolutely splendid idea. Those adorable pink, squealling animals. And the pigs look cute with their little saddles too. Start with the Royal Family, I'm sure the queen would look just smashing on a prize Swabian-Hall Swine.

Errr... a what?

oh

never mind

Hannikins · Post by **Hannikins** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 7:32 am

If you're going to start making sweeping statements about a nation, please take a moment to get your facts right first. The teenager in question, Anthony Walker, was killed in Merseyside, not London.
When I first read this thread I could't believe anyone would bother to respond to such abject hypocrisy, but the more I thought about it, the more incensed I got.
As a British person, surrounded by other Bristish people, I have not come across a single one who isn't appalled and disgusted by this despicable race-related crime. Or any other, for that matter. It is not the standard British mindset to think it's ok to kill, hurt or even insult people on the basis of their skin colour. The fact that your 'faith has been restored' by the police trying to catch the people responsible is almost more insulting - what did you think they were going to do?!
I appreciate that you perhaps wished to arouse a dicussion by saying something contraversial in the subject title, but it just made you sound like an ill-educated, judgemental hypocrite.

theCryptofishist · Post by **theCryptofishist** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 9:26 am

Ouch. I can take your point. I'd like to say that what I was trying to get at was not that racism was profoundly british, but that racism is a human dark side that can crop up anywhere. I was also trying to get at the idea that it manifested differently there than here in the states--a culture with a deeply racist past that we are still struggling with.
Um, not a real british hand, but I don't know the difference between London and Merseyside. Although I've heard of the latter. If it had happen in Edina, I might have said "The Twin Cities." If it had happened in Ballard I might have said Seatlle. Long distance geography.
Just random thoughts.

Winsurf · Post by **Winsurf** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 4:54 pm

alexamonkey · Post by **alexamonkey** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:05 pm

Apparently there is a 'satanic' cult killing black boys in london- in large amounts. From what I've heard, the murders of black boys has risen 30 fold in london in the past year. (trying to remember the stat I heard- something like 300 boys killed THIS YEAR- JAN THRU APRIL.) For the math deficient, that's more than 2 a day. All were killed in brutal, gorish 'culty' ways- ie hatchet thru the head. Sick & Disturbing, yes; but not an example of british racism. They could have picked 'black boys' out of a hat- these are people without souls. Whatever 'philosophy' they hold can't be compared to the philosophies of human beings. Racism, however ignorant & base it may be, is still a human philosophy, unfortunately, & as much as it enrages me, I still can't fairly compare it with the philosophies of an insane murderous cult. I don't think their main motivation is racism, though. What I hear is that these boys are a 'sacrifice'... perhaps we can get them to switch to virgins- they come in all colors!

alexamonkey · Post by **alexamonkey** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 5:25 pm

check out "calling all latinos"- post about racist graffiti at BM

redoils · Post by **redoils** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:49 pm

lets think about this for a momet you stupid tossa. when it comes to racism i think america holds its own on a world stage and a clss of its own. British and loving in the US for a while now i see you people every day and just how scared you are of any differenc in anyone . even white. but then i have to bring to your attention that you invaded how many countries in the last ten years with races of a darker complexion than the dominant for now at least in America. and then theres the comeon thoughts of most americans on Mexicans or Cubans or as they like to call them Hispanics. lets get some perspective here baby. why iis there a third world? and why are they mostly black? look at your media coverage of racial issues. you dont have any to speak of. look at your people of colour in prominant positions within govt or even rich.

think again
this is terrible yes but its not happening as often as it is here i think. remember the three guys that dragged a black guy down the road chained to the back of thier truck a couple of years ago
All of us could do with thinking a bit more about this
and ... your racism too .. extendind to the British as all racist.
Grow up TOSSA

Kinetic IV · Post by **Kinetic IV** » Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:05 pm

Yawn.
Did someone post something? Damn, maybe the LCD on this laptop is on the fritz again.
Oh wait a minute, now I see it. Someone hauled out the foot wide stereotype brush and started whitewashing everyone with it.

America's leaders and their political decisions do not necessarily have the full support of it's population. Nor should the actions of a few Texas yahoos be used as a comparison for the rest of the country. And the media has been on it's private agenda for years now so that doesn't mean squat either. So...what were you saying again?

Since you've hauled out that broad stereotype brush I might as well fire back on a personal level too... I'm certainly half white and the best girlfriend I ever had and who is still a good friend is Somali...which if you wanna get technical is as black as black gets. And she's as beautiful as beautiful gets too. And the eplaya is a BM oriented board and when you get down to it you be hard pressed to find a more open minded and diverse community than this group. My point here with all that is to dismiss your stereotyping as being fundamentally flawed.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:13 pm

Well, we've seen all styles here; shoot from the hip, name calling, dispassionate analysis, generalise and paint with the big brush.

I'd like to see what playazens are made of. Larry Elder isn't around so I'll play devils advocate.
http://home.ddc.net/ygg/ot/ot-06.htm

Let's have a little discusion!! Screaming and name calling only prove that one knows how to scream and call names. Individual examples prove nothing because you can prove ANYTHING that way.
Have you read "The Bell Curve" or Shockley's work.

Go on,,,read the info in the URL and tell me what you think. If you'd like to prove to me that you can be illogical, go ahead.
Dan

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 7:18 pm

this is still an active thread?

says something about society doesn't it?

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:00 pm

Well, we have our first respondent.
If you search on "crime + atlanta=6 million
crime + new orleans=13.5 million
crime + london=29 million
Sorry Joel, I guess racism is too trivial a topic to bring up for discusion.
Dan