allanon2 wrote:you will see many people bashing me and saying what we say on our website is a lie well take a look for yourself and see the other truth
www.stopburningman.org
we are a open society correct? we like conversation and freedom of speach.
Excuse me while I drop over laughing. Hey, Rex, whatever happened to messages 586 through 629 on
the stop burningman list? Isn't it interesting, the way in which when the discussion started going against your side, the whole inconvenient thread just magically disappeared from the archives? Anybody who doubts this is invited to sign up and notice that message 630 immediately follows message 585 in those archives.
An amazing discussion it was, too, so much happening in it and almost all of it incredibly stupid. Somebody asked the regulars on the list if they had any evidence in support of their reports of what they saw on those transect walks. Some had the actual nerve to claim Ed Howersheit ("Obscurotron") and Rex Scates of stopburningman.org as witnesses in support of what their own site is saying. How was that any different from saying "just take our word for it"? We were never told.
Dave Cooper of BLM, Maid Marian of the LLC and Metric from ePlaya were cited as witnesses. This same skeptical individual wondered about this list out loud. "Um, Ed", he asked, "isn't that the same Dave Cooper you just accused of libeling your group? And you're listing him as a reference?!" or words to that effect. Hard to be sure of the exact phrasing, because these same people who are waxing so outraged about BMORG's alleged censorship wiped out that chunk of their own archives. At any rate, the entire argument from Rex's camp seemed to consist of the assertion that these three people had seen what Ed and Rex were referring to and knew that what they were saying was true, and if they said otherwise, that was only because they were lying.
In other words, we were supposed to go ask these people what they saw, but ignore what they had to say, themselves, and just listen to what Ed and Rex said that they're really thinking? Huh? Again, how was that any different from "just take our word for it". Anybody who asked this, however, was subjected to long, profanity laced tirades about their alleged stupidity. The "emperor's new clothes" gambit on steroids.
Guess who one of the offending parties was? None other than our good friend Rex, the one who is whining about how his freedom of speech is being denied by other people's personal attacks, right now. Hey, Rex! Just how many of your posts to ePlaya got deleted by the moderators? Do the words "look who's talking" mean anything to you, my hypocritical friend?
allanon2 wrote:So take a look and I think our site speaks for itself.
It sure does, Rex. It sure does. So many great moments in that discussion, like the one where you complained because one of your detractors referred to you as being a bad spokesman for your cause, and you and Ed tried to hairsplit about the word "spokesman", and claim it didn't apply to you. Remember that claim that nobody had ever claimed that you represented anybody or anything? Let's take a look at
this archived copy of your site from Sept.24, 2004, and take a look at the bottom of the page
Questions regarding site content: Rex Scates
You guys just can't help throwing the bull, can you? As somebody observed, "liars lie, because that's what they do", that is, they don't even seem to need a reason to do so, it's just compulsive behavior on their part. As liars go, Ed, you guys are downright pathological.
