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can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:29 pm

Well, I asked for input and discussion. You've all been very obliging. Like many social situations, it appears to boil down to a difference of opinion and perception. I hope that no one's feelings were hurt. I'm glad to see discourse and not flames. Thank you Montana, Cubanasprings, Dallas and EDB, et al.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:31 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote:Sorry it took so long to sink in.

Obviously it hasn't.

Why do you bother replying in this thread if you aren't willing to do a little research and maybe a little thinking?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:35 pm

lurker wrote:You can't radically self express without someone to express to

Unless you're expressing it to each other. Get it?

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 2:36 pm

Cabanasprings wrote:CT is for women. Says whom?

The person who listed it in Who-What-Where.

When the event entails a parade that passes in front of my camp it becomes by definition a spectacle for my consumption.

Yes, just like anyone who passes in front of a photographer is begging to be photographed.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:01 pm

DallasPlaya wrote: Why do you bother replying in this thread if you aren't willing to do a little research and maybe a little thinking?

That`s funny I was going to say the very same thing to you.
I think most people viewing this understand and agree with MY points,
and probably understand my sarcasm when it comes to responding to
an automaton - like argument like you are presenting.
Thanks for the practice.
Get back to me when you can stop handing me the ball
and come forth with a real scrap of intelligent debate other than
the "You don`t _______, You think ______, You are_______" shyste.

YOU don`t understand Me or my mind in the slightest.
If you did you would shut your trap about what I am.
Or if you do, you`ve just chosen to disect and twist what I`ve said.
So how`s that for filling in the blanks?

In the meantime, I`ll respond to your fuckwit dribble in the manner it deserves....with equal time + change.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:11 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote:
DallasPlaya wrote: Why do you bother replying in this thread if you aren't willing to do a little research and maybe a little thinking?
That`s funny I was going to say the very same thing to you.
I think most people viewing this understand and agree with MY points,
and probably understand my sarcasm when it comes to responding to
an automaton - like argument like you are presenting.
Thanks for the practice.
Get back to me when you can stop handing me the ball
and come forth with a real scrap of intelligent debate other than
the "You don`t _______, You think ______, You are_______" shyste.

YOU don`t understand Me or my mind in the slightest.
If you did you would shut your trap about what I am.
Or if you do, you`ve just chosen to disect and twist what I`ve said.
So how`s that for filling in the blanks?

In the meantime, I`ll respond to your fuckwit dribble in the manner it deserves....with equal time + change.

I keep saying the same things because you keep not getting it. You think CT is about tits. You think it's some kind of parade or spectacle for your consumption. Until you figure out what CT is, you'll never understand what I'm saying and you'll keep giving me non-answers and keep thinking that you're right. Enjoy your bliss.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:17 pm

DallasPlaya wrote:
Cabanasprings wrote:CT is for women. Says whom?
The person who listed it in Who-What-Where.

When the event entails a parade that passes in front of my camp it becomes by definition a spectacle for my consumption.
Yes, just like anyone who passes in front of a photographer is begging to be photographed.

Dallas - Does the person who listed have that much control of your life. Next year I will list in the whowhatwhere that burningman is for me and my friends only and by your logic you will not be allowed to participate.

If I am taking a photograph and you go out of your way to get in front of the camera you deserve to be photographed.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:19 pm

"Can't we all just get along" How about if we agree to disagree.
I was at the "life is annoying"board for a short time. It seems like half of it is flames. I found it very abrasive. They kicked me off for not badmouthing gays.
You two have different opinions. It seems to have degenerated into "you just don't get what I'm saying" Like I told my neighbor,,,,I get it, i"m just not buying it.
Dan

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:20 pm

[quote="Cabanasprings"
Dallas - Does the person who listed have that much control of your life. Next year I will list in the whowhatwhere that burningman is for me and my friends only and by your logic you will not be allowed to participate. [/quote]

Do you organize Burning Man?

-c

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:24 pm

Cabanasprings wrote:Does the person who listed have that much control of your life.

No. I'm just respectful of the wishes of others.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 3:25 pm

can't sit still wrote:You two have different opinions. It seems to have degenerated into "you just don't get what I'm saying" Like I told my neighbor,,,,I get it, i"m just not buying it.
Dan

My "opinion" is based on what I read in Who-What-Where. EDB's opinion is based on his belief that he "deserves" to watch what he thinks is a titty parade. All he has to do is find out what CT is about to understand why he's wrong. He refuses to do that.

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:35 pm

"I keep saying the same things because you keep not getting it. "

"You think CT is about tits."

"You think it's some kind of parade or spectacle for your consumption."

"Until you figure out what CT is, you'll never understand what I'm saying and you'll keep giving me non-answers and keep thinking that you're right."

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This might be an effective strategy if you were say, the President, getting cornered by a senate panel about some devisive, controversial scandal you were trying to avoid being implicated in.
You could cover ass by deflecting questions about your own shortcomings and focus the conversation on a few talking points or on the opposition by cleverly administered sound bites.

Unfortunately, here it is just lame.
Please re-arrange your wording just a little and try again.

We All know Critical Tits is for Women.
And I guess that`s where it begins and ends according to you.

" Enjoy your bliss."
Thanks. I will.

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:53 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:
Cabanasprings wrote:I will admit that I was never put before a judge and forced to decide if I would rather go to jail or join the Corp.
In other words, you were never in the CorpS and have no idea what in hell you're talking about, and you're trying to dig out by making some bizarre suggestion that people joined the Marines so they didn't have to go to jail... Niiiice.

The Marine Corps doesn't work that way, and your ignorance has spoken for itself.

Now, for the sake of everybody else, back to more interesting subjects which is to say, the gravitational effects of topless hotties on the opposite and frequently same sex.

-c

Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, IL); 12/1/2004; Kovac, Adam

Byline: Adam Kovac Daily Herald Staff Writer

Instead of going to prison for robbing a store clerk at knifepoint, a St. Charles teenager on Tuesday was allowed to enlist in the Marines in lieu of punishment for the crime.

Alex Chase, 18, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor theft, not the armed robbery charge he faced for the Sept. 4, 2003, holdup at Peterson's Hardware Store in Hampshire.

The recent Burlington Central High School graduate faced 6 to 30 years in prison for robbing the store of about $250, a crime that sparked a county-wide manhunt.[/quote]

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:40 pm

EvilDustBooger wrote:We All know Critical Tits is for Women.

Good start. Keep going...

" Enjoy your bliss."
Thanks. I will.

Obviously.

montana wildhack · Post by **montana wildhack** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:47 pm

oy vey...
trix are for kids,
tampons are for women,
critical tits is for everyone.

please don't make me go all Camille Paglia on your ass.

"Minerva save us from the cloying syrup of coercive compassion!"

uh oh, now we're all in trouble. i don't mean to be a snappy tom on this subject, but jeebus...if you wouldn't mind humoring me, please run right on back and read----carefully---lurker's statement:

Oh, being one of the women, sure that can be just for women, but the second it requires this mass public ride--and it does, 'cos that's what it is, it moves into the realm of everyone--and, by it's very nature, becomes spectacle.

In fact, I put it to you that were breasts NOT an object of admiration, were there no men or women ogling, the entire thing would not happen.

It is and is not some woman-only communion--and it is a refutation, acceptance, degradation, glorification of all the fantasy/worship/fetishising that goes on about tits. It is Woman laying her claim to Woman and shoving it in your face.

And without an audience. Without a face to shove it into. It is nothing.

You can't radically self express without someone to express to

okay, please read it one more time, for c.o.m.p.r.e.h.e.n.s.i.o.n.

Oh, being one of the women, sure that can be just for women, but the second it requires this mass public ride--and it does, 'cos that's what it is, it moves into the realm of everyone--and, by it's very nature, becomes spectacle.

In fact, I put it to you that were breasts NOT an object of admiration, were there no men or women ogling, the entire thing would not happen.

It is and is not some woman-only communion--and it is a refutation, acceptance, degradation, glorification of all the fantasy/worship/fetishising that goes on about tits. It is Woman laying her claim to Woman and shoving it in your face.

And without an audience. Without a face to shove it into. It is nothing.

You can't radically self express without someone to express to

now, with all due respect, would you please let me have my f-ing spectacle in peace? thank you.

mars · Post by **mars** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 6:47 pm

1. Radical Inclusion: Anyone may be a part of Burning Man. We welcome and respect the stranger. No prerequisites exist for participation in our community.

This includes frat boys. This includes people who you think don't "get it". It even includes pervs at CT.

Hey, anybody here wanna get radically inclusive?

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can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:13 pm

Hey, anybody here wanna get radically inclusive?"

Mars is the god of war!! Does inclusion involve death on the part of the participants?

montana wildhack · Post by **montana wildhack** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:57 pm

no, definitely not! but a tall, icy cold white russian would be absolutely lovely

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:43 pm

montana wildhack wrote:And without an audience. Without a face to shove it into. It is nothing.

Right. To which I replied, "Except the other participants." That's who it's for.

montana wildhack · Post by **montana wildhack** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:09 am

i'm done. i agree to disagree.

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:35 am

Cabanasprings wrote:
Daily Herald (Arlington Heights, IL); 12/1/2004; Kovac, Adam
Byline: Adam Kovac Daily Herald Staff Writer

Instead of going to prison for robbing a store clerk at knifepoint, a St. Charles teenager on Tuesday was allowed to enlist in the Marines in lieu of punishment for the crime.

LOL! So the fuck what? You're repeating yourself now, psycho. What, you want some more attention? You want me to repeat all the questions you failed to answer?

Like I said, you still don't know jack shit about the Marine Corps. Give it up.

-c

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:47 am

Setting: The Local McDonald`s
Time: 11:00 A.M. CST

Announcer:"Good afternoon boys and girls, and welcome to the
Big Mac Festival!"

Crowd:"Yaye!!!"

Announcer:"We`ve done our drawing for todays fun new Big Mac Contest, and we have two contestants ...Biff and Suzy!"

Crowd:"Yaye!!!"

Announcer:"Now. The contest is simple. All you have to do is name the
ingredients in the Big Mac! First one to get it right wins a brand new goody-widget, ..Sound fun? Let`s get started. Biff let`s start with you.
Please tell us what`s in a Big Mac...take your time...."

Biff:"Uh..........................it`s.......All Beef"

Announcer:"That`s really good Biff... But that`s not quite exactly right. But good try.... Let`s see if Suzy can get it right....Suzy?"

Suzy:"Let`s see....it`s.......2 all-beef-patties,.. special sauce,.. lettuce, cheese,.. pickles,.. onions,..on a sesame seed bun!"

Announcer:"That`s absolutely right Suzy! We have a winner!!!"

Crowd:"Yaye!!!!"

Biff:"No it isn`t. It`s "All Beef"...it`s printed right on the sack....All Beef...
...that means 100% Beef....so I win. I can`t believe you dummies."

Announcer:"Well, nice try Biff, but actually, a Big Mac has several other
ingredients....as described by our winner.. Suzy!"

Biff:"No it doesn`t. It might have said something about 2...something...
...but ALL BEEF cancels all that out....what is so hard to understand about
ALL BEEF....it`s on the sack. All Beef is ALL BEEF. Period. . .Now give me
my goody-widget."

(Announcer looks out into the audience and calls out...)"Maam?"

(A small, slightly disappointed-looking woman comes to the stage apron.)

Mommy:"Biff. Come on, it`s time to go"

Biff:"No. It`s ALL BEEF, and they know it. It`s PRINTED ON THE SACK!"

Mommy:"Come on honey, I think you misunderstood the nice man...
...now let`s go...."

Biff:"He`s not nice. He`s mean. He put his finger in my butt!"

Mommy:"He did not honey. I`ve been with you all day. You know I wouldn`t let you out of my sight....."

Biff:"ALL BEEF! ALL BEEF!!!! It`s BEEF!!! .......It`s on the sack!!!

Mommy:"Let`s go take a pill Biff. I know your not happy baby,...come on...let`s go to the car...."

Cabanasprings · Post by **Cabanasprings** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:02 am

Zaphod - you are so correct I am happy to admit that I don't know that much about the marines. But apparently I know more than you do.

I am sure you are very familiar with this site.

http://www.davidclemens.com/gaymilitary/features.htm

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:07 am

Right. To which I replied, "Except the other participants." That's who it's for.

No, Dallas, you don't ride in Critical Tits for the benefit of other participants. Women can be shirtless around each other sans men all they like---a Critical Tits event could be set up that deliberately excluded men, gawkers and photographers.....but it never seems to happen.

Woman doesn't have to claim Woman from other women---she has to claim it from those others who think they get to define it, be they men, women or other---and Other is represented bythat crowd of spectators. Other is everyone who's not riding a bike with their tits enjoying the breeze.

Critical Tits celebrates Woman in all her forms, as a vital and very much needed part of humanity.

It is not a 'no-man' zone or a 'don't look at me' zone--though there are women who ride gleefully in it that have those feelings.

Y'know, for someone who bandies around the 'you dont get it' mantra, you sure seem to be really good at not getting it yourself.

HughMungus · Post by **HughMungus** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:25 am

lurker wrote:
Right. To which I replied, "Except the other participants." That's who it's for.
No, Dallas, you don't ride in Critical Tits for the benefit of other participants. Women can be shirtless around each other sans men all they like---a Critical Tits event could be set up that deliberately excluded men, gawkers and photographers.....but it never seems to happen.

Woman doesn't have to claim Woman from other women---she has to claim it from those others who think they get to define it, be they men, women or other---and Other is represented bythat crowd of spectators. Other is everyone who's not riding a bike with their tits enjoying the breeze.

Critical Tits celebrates Woman in all her forms, as a vital and very much needed part of humanity.

It is not a 'no-man' zone or a 'don't look at me' zone--though there are women who ride gleefully in it that have those feelings.

Y'know, for someone who bandies around the 'you dont get it' mantra, you sure seem to be really good at not getting it yourself.

I must have men hallucinating when I read the who-what-where.

can't sit still · Post by **can't sit still** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:35 am

Dallas, neither of us is a woman. We can't generate the feelings or attitudes of a woman. Women's mental processes are far different from ours. I think that in the question of an event like CT,,,,men's opinions and women's opinion are usually going to be divergent. Agree to disagree.

Personally,,,,,,I never slander the military. Right or wrong,
they're following orders. Slandering their commander-in-chief is another thing. I have zero respect for GIs like Lonetree.
Gays in the military is just one of those things that's slowly being worked out.
I'm straight without any doubts or curiosity. But that doesn't mean that I'm unaware of the historical involvement of homosexuality in the military.
1 and probably 2 of the greatest military empires were founded with homosexuality being a central and necessary part of their makeup and success.
Dan

lurker · Post by **lurker** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:24 am

I must have men hallucinating when I read the who-what-where.

Did it never occur to you that maybe, when they said 'for women' they meant that it was for women to ride in? Not that it was meant for women ONLY?

You don't throw a parade and expect no one to watch. Why is this concept so hard for you?

joel the ornery · Post by **joel the ornery** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:03 pm

maybe if all the CT riders dressed like Larry Harvey.... oh wait, everyone should dress like Larry Harvey, then no one will gawk at one another.

ZaphodBurner · Post by **ZaphodBurner** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:43 pm

lurker wrote: You don't throw a parade and expect no one to watch. Why is this concept so hard for you?

Not disputing or agreeing with you here, but, can we clarify:

Is it a parade, or is it a bike ride?

EvilDustBooger · Post by **EvilDustBooger** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:15 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:
lurker wrote: You don't throw a parade and expect no one to watch. Why is this concept so hard for you?
Not disputing or agreeing with you here, but, can we clarify:

Is it a parade, or is it a bike ride?

It is a parade, a bike ride, a rally, a meet, performance art,
a reunion, an escapade, an escape,
a protest, a testament, an emotion, a sentiment,
an outcry, a storm, a blessing, a blank canvas....it is what it is...
....and They, our lovely Playa Godesses....are absolutely sublime.